Miami/Riley Hot after Amare- Per Yahoo..

[Cheesebeef]

According to RealGM, the Cavs are trading for Jamison.

GOOD... for MANY reasons. Not only does Jamison I think fit better with that team giving them a legit shot to beat the Lakers (since no one else can come close) but that Cleveland trade was DOGCRAP.

Unfortunately, since our FO is a joke the size of the Elgin Baylor's head during his tenure with the Clips, that's all anyone's willing to offer us these days for a 5 time All-Star, multiple ALL-NBA big man... who's a huge expiring contract if nothing else!

god I hate the people running this team.

 

[Bufalay]

GOOD... for MANY reasons. Not only does Jamison I think fit better with that team giving them a legit shot to beat the Lakers (since no one else can come close) but that Cleveland trade was DOGCRAP.

Unfortunately, since our FO is a joke the size of the Elgin Baylor's head during his tenure with the Clips, that's all anyone's willing to offer us these days for a 5 time All-Star, multiple ALL-NBA big man... who's a huge expiring contract if nothing else!

god I hate the people running this team.

I think Jamison is a garbage fit for the Cavs. He's going to be there another three years during which time he'll be way overpaid. The cavs finally got their shot at stealing a good player and the blew it. I'm happy.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think Jamison is a garbage fit for the Cavs. He's going to be there another three years during which time he'll be way overpaid. The cavs finally got their shot at stealing a good player and the blew it. I'm happy.

eh... I disagree. Barring serious injuries, I'll be STUNNED if they don't win the title this year and I think this year and only this year is all that team cares about because if they don't win it, Bron is gone and even if they DO win it and Bron's gone, at least they finally won one. Amare's soft ass combined with Shaq's slow ass was going to make that always stellar D sink like the Titanic.

 

[joshstmarie]

Wait whats good about this again? Werent we using clevland as a bargaining chip against miami? This is terrible news.

 

[82CardsGrad]

eh... I disagree. Barring serious injuries, I'll be STUNNED if they don't win the title this year and I think this year and only this year is all that team cares about because if they don't win it, Bron is gone and even if they DO win it and Bron's gone, at least they finally won one. Amare's soft ass combined with Shaq's slow ass was going to make that always stellar D sink like the Titanic.

Cheese, is Jamison any better defensively than Amare?? C'mon man. Amare is soft, but Jamison is friggin putty as well!

 

[asudevil83]

GOOD... for MANY reasons. Not only does Jamison I think fit better with that team giving them a legit shot to beat the Lakers (since no one else can come close) but that Cleveland trade was DOGCRAP.

Unfortunately, since our FO is a joke the size of the Elgin Baylor's head during his tenure with the Clips, that's all anyone's willing to offer us these days for a 5 time All-Star, multiple ALL-NBA big man... who's a huge expiring contract if nothing else!

god I hate the people running this team.

i think Jamison will do quite well in Cleveland. He allows Cleveland to spread the floor for LeBron with his shooting, and becomes another player from the outside that needs to be watched. He also will give Shaq better looks by driving the defending PF outside to guard. he can rebound fairly well too.

IMO Jamison is a better fit all around that Amare would be.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Cheese, is Jamison any better defensively than Amare?? C'mon man. Amare is soft, but Jamison is friggin putty as well!

agreed, but he's a better fit for that team offensively IMO. Meanwhile, for as soft as Jamison is, the dude doesn't have close to Amare's athleticism and STILL averages more rebounds per game than Amare. He's also a smarter player IMO.

 

[82CardsGrad]

i think Jamison will do quite well in Cleveland. He allows Cleveland to spread the floor for LeBron with his shooting, and becomes another player from the outside that needs to be watched. He also will give Shaq better looks by driving the defending PF outside to guard. he can rebound fairly well too.

IMO Jamison is a better fit all around that Amare would be.

Well, it's being reported that it's a done deal so apparently the Cavs felt the same as you and Cheese...
This does not bode well for the Suns and what they can grab in exchange for Amare. This is looking pretty bad....

 

[Chaplin]

Jamison is a much better fit with Lebron than Amare would be. I find it hard to believe that Amare could be satisfied being 2nd banana to Lebron James. At least here he has the potential to be showcased every game.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Wait whats good about this again? Werent we using clevland as a bargaining chip against miami? This is terrible news.

it's good because I don't care about the Suns anymore, don't believe they can possibly get a good deal from anyone and I live in LA and this gives Lebron enough fire power to give me the only chance I have of not having to suffer through all my friends corwing about great Kobe Bryant is.

when you realize that the Suns aren't worth getting emotionally invested in until Sarver sells the team, then nothing about what happens to them now is terrible.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Here's the deal:

http://digitalsportsdaily.com/nba/22138

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think Jamison is a garbage fit for the Cavs. He's going to be there another three years during which time he'll be way overpaid. The cavs finally got their shot at stealing a good player and the blew it. I'm happy.

though he's older, he's a better fit for them (imo). though he's no defender, he's better than amare. and though they are both good jump shooters, jamison has better (also read "3 point") range - spreading the floor better for shaq's post game and 'bron's driving game. finally, they are pretty similar (in fact, i think jamison is slightly higher). and he'll be cheaper. so he'll play alongside bron for the next three years, maybe win a championship, and then the cavs are not locked into him long-term, have some flexibility when his contract is up, and perhaps can reload around bron again. makes sense to me.

can something just friggin' happen already? the longer this goes the less confidence i have in $arvkerr.

 

[Chaplin]

Good god. Everyone moaning that the Cleveland deal is bad and Kerr is an idiot for taking it. Now he rejects it and he's an idiot for rejecting it. What was he supposed to do? Take it just to spite Miami? Sure, he might have been using the Cleveland negotiations as leverage for Miami, but Miami didn't budge, that's not Kerr's fault. And Cleveland didn't want to wait any longer.

If Kerr would have taken the Cleveland deal it would have been one of the worst trades in the franchise's history.

 

[Covert Rain]

Jamison is a much better fit with Lebron than Amare would be. I find it hard to believe that Amare could be satisfied being 2nd banana to Lebron James. At least here he has the potential to be showcased every game.

I disagree on both counts. First off Amare has on twitter has said he would love to play with LeBron. Also, he stated that he loved playing with Shaq. If Amare was dead set against it, he would have just said so to kill any trade possibility.

Second, Jamison doesn't play defense either sometimes and he is more of a jump shooter then Amare. He likes to play on the outside. Cleveland's reason for getting Amare is to get someone who can play on the inside. That's not AJ game. AJ was a consolation prize. They wanted Amare.

The worst part of this is that Kerr just lost trade leverage. Now the Suns can't say ...well....Cleveland was offering this.....

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Good god. Everyone moaning that the Cleveland deal is bad and Kerr is an idiot for taking it. Now he rejects it and he's an idiot for rejecting it. What was he supposed to do? Take it just to spite Miami? Sure, he might have been using the Cleveland negotiations as leverage for Miami, but Miami didn't budge, that's not Kerr's fault. And Cleveland didn't want to wait any longer.

If Kerr would have taken the Cleveland deal it would have been one of the worst trades in the franchise's history.

i haven't seen one person state that kerr should have taken the cleveland deal. rather they're bemoaning the fact that now we have zero leverage with miami. and that's accurate if no other team is stepping to the plate.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Good god. Everyone moaning that the Cleveland deal is bad and Kerr is an idiot for taking it. Now he rejects it and he's an idiot for rejecting it. What was he supposed to do? Take it just to spite Miami? Sure, he might have been using the Cleveland negotiations as leverage for Miami, but Miami didn't budge, that's not Kerr's fault. And Cleveland didn't want to wait any longer.

If Kerr would have taken the Cleveland deal it would have been one of the worst trades in the franchise's history.

who's bemoaning Kerr not taking the deal?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I disagree on both counts. First off Amare has on twitter has said he would love to play with LeBron. Also, he stated that he loved playing with Shaq. If Amare was dead set against it, he would have just said so to kill any trade possibility.

Second, Jamison doesn't player defense either sometimes and he is more of a jump shooter then Amare. He likes to play on the outside. Cleveland's reason for getting Amare is to get someone who can play on the inside. That's not AJ game. AJ was a consolation prize. They wanted Amare.

The worst part of this is that Kerr just lost trade leverage. Now the Suns can't say ...well....Cleveland was offering this.....

also, they didn't have to give up jj hickson, whom they really like, and is younger and cheaper than amare (and less of an injury concern). so they create BETTER depth and still have an established PF while maintaining a future PF prospect as well. cleveland did right by themselves here.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Good god. Everyone moaning that the Cleveland deal is bad and Kerr is an idiot for taking it. Now he rejects it and he's an idiot for rejecting it. What was he supposed to do? Take it just to spite Miami? Sure, he might have been using the Cleveland negotiations as leverage for Miami, but Miami didn't budge, that's not Kerr's fault. And Cleveland didn't want to wait any longer.

If Kerr would have taken the Cleveland deal it would have been one of the worst trades in the franchise's history.

It would have been nice and not unreasonable to see Kerr milk the Cavs deal in order to secure the Miami trade... That didn't happen and that is what sucks.
Yes, had the Suns done the deal with the Cavs it would've been beyond horrendous. Gotta believe that was never truly a possibility and that Kerr was only using the Cavs in order to secure the better deal - Miami. Well, that has now fallen thru. And it sucks...

 

[Cheesebeef]

who's bemoaning Kerr not taking the deal?

jeez. i'm back on here one day and me and ouchie are already sharing the same brain again.

this post right after ouchie's wasn't meant to be a gang-bang on ya chap. hope you didn't take it as such.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

you just know we're gonna trade amare for daquan cook, chalmers, richardson's expiring, and a 2nd round pick.

 

[Chaplin]

I disagree on both counts. First off Amare has on twitter has said he would love to play with LeBron. Also, he stated that he loved playing with Shaq. If Amare was dead set against it, he would have just said so to kill any trade possibility.

Second, Jamison doesn't player defense either sometimes and he is more of a jump shooter then Amare. He likes to play on the outside. Cleveland's reason for getting Amare is to get someone who can play on the inside. That's not AJ game. AJ was a consolation prize. They wanted Amare.

The worst part of this is that Kerr just lost trade leverage. Now the Suns can't say ...well....Cleveland was offering this.....

Leverage? It's not his fault he lost leverage. The only reason he lost his leverage is because he wouldn't take the crappy Cleveland deal. It has nothing to do with Kerr. What should he have done that would make this turn out differently? Miami wasn't offering Beasley. Cleveland was offering crap. They spun it so that Miami MIGHT offer Beasley. They didn't. Cleveland got Jamison. Kerr didn't have to do anything. There certainly wasn't anything better out there.

 

[Chaplin]

jeez. i'm back on here one day and me and ouchie are already sharing the same brain again.

this post right after ouchie's wasn't meant to be a gang-bang on ya chap. hope you didn't take it as such.

Nah, I know what you're saying.

I'm just tired of seeing lines like "if Kerr takes the Cleveland deal, he's an idiot" and "Cleveland pulled their deal, Kerr is an idiot because he lost his leverage." Kerr didn't do anything to lose his leverage. Cleveland and Miami did. It makes no sense. Amare was made available to other teams, all he got were crap offers, so he didn't pull the trigger. Perfectly reasonable to me.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Leverage? It's not his fault he lost leverage. The only reason he lost his leverage is because he wouldn't take the crappy Cleveland deal. It has nothing to do with Kerr. What should he have done that would make this turn out differently? Miami wasn't offering Beasley. Cleveland was offering crap. They spun it so that Miami MIGHT offer Beasley. They didn't. Cleveland got Jamison. Kerr didn't have to do anything. There certainly wasn't anything better out there.

who the hell is saying that kerr was at fault??? everyone is just bummed that leverage was lost, not placing any blame! if you don't think leverage was lost i want to negotiate something (anything) with you!

(this is not flaming ya chap, take it as it's meant, in good nature)

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Nah, I know what you're saying.

I'm just tired of seeing lines like "if Kerr takes the Cleveland deal, he's an idiot" and "Cleveland pulled their deal, Kerr is an idiot because he lost his leverage." Kerr didn't do anything to lose his leverage. Cleveland and Miami did. It makes no sense. Amare was made available to other teams, all he got were crap offers, so he didn't pull the trigger. Perfectly reasonable to me.

i'd rather take our chances on retaining amare now than trade him for crap. he may decide to stay for a reasonable cost if no one breaks the bank on him this summer (i know, wishful thinking).

 

[Covert Rain]

Leverage? It's not his fault he lost leverage. The only reason he lost his leverage is because he wouldn't take the crappy Cleveland deal. It has nothing to do with Kerr. What should he have done that would make this turn out differently? Miami wasn't offering Beasley. Cleveland was offering crap. They spun it so that Miami MIGHT offer Beasley. They didn't. Cleveland got Jamison. Kerr didn't have to do anything. There certainly wasn't anything better out there.

It's not his fault? How do you figure? He played chicken. He banked that he could probably make another deal by using what the Cavs were offering. I am not saying it wasn't a good tactic. I think it was.

He was probably gambling that he could make another trade before the Cavs did something. He lost that gamble. It's on Kerr. The alternative is that Kerr wanted to trade him to the Cavs all along and wanted them to improve the offer. Again...if that was the case it's still on Kerr.

I think the Suns might get nothing for Amare now. It's hard to make a 3 team deal work. If Miami can't put something together or don't make a better offer.....we get nothing for Amare.

Really....how can any of those 3 scenarios not be on Kerr? It's beyond me.