Miami/Riley Hot after Amare- Per Yahoo..

[Chaplin]

who the hell is saying that kerr was at fault??? everyone is just bummed that leverage was lost, not placing any blame! if you don't think leverage was lost i want to negotiate something (anything) with you!

(this is not flaming ya chap, take it as it's meant, in good nature)

Sorry, it certainly wasn't directed to you or your bro. I've been reading a lot of the RealGM boards today (damn, they're very efficient at posting over there) and they are all over the place.

I dislike Kerr and Sarver as much as the next guy, but Kerr is getting the blame for all of this at least over there.

 

[SunsTzu]

I would rather risk seeing Amare walk in the summer than have done the Cavs deal or any equally bad deal. The packages being offered were similar to what the Suns could get in a S&T and chances are teams will be looking to send some salary if they can to maximize their FA spending.

I'll give credit to Kerr and Sarver for not flipping Amare for cash as long as they stick to their guns.

 

[Chaplin]

It's not his fault? How do you figure? He played chicken. He banked that he could probably make another deal by using what the Cavs were offering. I am not saying it wasn't a good tactic. I think it was.

He was probably gambling that he could make another trade before the Cavs did something. He lost that gamble. It's on Kerr.

Again, what other option did he have? The only other thing he could do was take a crappy deal. Which he didn't do, and I think that is the right move. He HAD to play chicken, as you yourself agreed.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It's not his fault? How do you figure? He played chicken. He banked that he could probably make another deal by using what the Cavs were offering. I am not saying it wasn't a good tactic. I think it was.

He was probably gambling that he could make another trade before the Cavs did something. He lost that gamble. It's on Kerr.

so let me understand, you would have preferred he took the hickson, zydrunus, 30th pick trade? fech.

 

[Cheesebeef]

i don't think Amare goes anywhere. I think he plays out the season, we make the playoffs as a four or five seed, maybe surprise and win the first round and then he hits the open market where he realizes he can't get what he thinks he should and ends up back here to give a solid front court for years with a hopefully improved Clark (making the same strides as previously abominable looking Dragic/Lopez who have gotten much better between year one and two), while we're able to swing a deal including Richardson's 14 million dollar expiring, a pick, hell maybe Clark for a disgruntled superstar vet on the verge of 2011 FA for one more two year run with Nash before his legs fall off... well, that's my pipe dream anyway.

 

[Chaplin]

I would rather risk seeing Amare walk in the summer than have done the Cavs deal or any equally bad deal. The packages being offered were similar to what the Suns could get in a S&T and chances are teams will be looking to send some salary if they can to maximize their FA spending.

I'll give credit to Kerr and Sarver for not flipping Amare for cash as long as they stick to their guns.

+1

 

[Cheesebeef]

Sorry, it certainly wasn't directed to you or your bro. I've been reading a lot of the RealGM boards today (damn, they're very efficient at posting over there) and they are all over the place.

I dislike Kerr and Sarver as much as the next guy, but Kerr is getting the blame for all of this at least over there.

don't sweat it. But damn, Ouchie, lay off the multiple question marks and explanation points stress case!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

i don't think Amare goes anywhere. I think he plays out the season, we make the playoffs as a four or five seed, maybe surprise and win the first round and then he hits the open market where he realizes he can't get what he thinks he should and ends up back here to give a solid front court for years with a hopefully improved Clark (making the same strides as previously abominable looking Dragic/Lopez who have gotten much better between year one and two), while we're able to swing a deal including Richardson's 14 million dollar expiring, a pick, hell maybe Clark for a disgruntled superstar vet on the verge of 2011 FA for one more two year run with Nash before his legs fall off... well, that's my pipe dream anyway.

i know you're on hiatus right now, but the family would like to request that you stop smoking crack.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

don't sweat it. But damn, Ouchie, lay off the multiple question marks and explanation points stress case!

why don't you chill and pay more attention to whom you're sending emails?!!!??!?!!

 

[Covert Rain]

Again, what other option did he have? The only other thing he could do was take a crappy deal. Which he didn't do, and I think that is the right move. He HAD to play chicken, as you yourself agreed.

so let me understand, you would have preferred he took the hickson, zydrunus, 30th pick trade? fech.

Again, not saying it was a bad move. However, that doesn't mean that it's still not on Kerr. Kerr is the GM, no matter what happens good or bad it's on Kerr.

The Suns made this bed with Amare. There are so many things they could have done to avoid this situation. It's on this front office as a whole.

Let's not also forget this is not the first bad situation with a free agent that the Sarver/Kerr combo have screwed up.

 

[joshstmarie]

Wait, so let me get this straight.. most of you would rather amare walk for nothing then get a prospect and cap room.

Ill be sure to book mark that this summer when amare says peace.

 

[Cheesebeef]

i know you're on hiatus right now, but the family would like to request that you stop smoking crack.

i think i deserve some crack dear brother. partake, it makes the Suns so much more interesting to follow.

 

[82CardsGrad]

i don't think Amare goes anywhere. I think he plays out the season, we make the playoffs as a four or five seed, maybe surprise and win the first round and then he hits the open market where he realizes he can't get what he thinks he should and ends up back here to give a solid front court for years with a hopefully improved Clark (making the same strides as previously abominable looking Dragic/Lopez who have gotten much better between year one and two), while we're able to swing a deal including Richardson's 14 million dollar expiring, a pick, hell maybe Clark for a disgruntled superstar vet on the verge of 2011 FA for one more two year run with Nash before his legs fall off... well, that's my pipe dream anyway.

I was thinking the same thing Cheese... However, Amare has already turned down the Suns contract extension offer - whatever that was... Just not sure he is going to be willing to negotiate again with the Suns.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Wait, so let me get this straight.. most of you would rather amare walk for nothing then get a prospect and cap room.

Ill be sure to book mark that this summer when amare says peace.

that deal wouldn't have gotten us cap room... it would have gotten us luxury tax room... HOORAY!

Hickson is a piece of garbage and so is the 30th pick.

 

[AzStevenCal]

i don't think Amare goes anywhere. I think he plays out the season, we make the playoffs as a four or five seed, maybe surprise and win the first round and then he hits the open market where he realizes he can't get what he thinks he should and ends up back here to give a solid front court for years with a hopefully improved Clark (making the same strides as previously abominable looking Dragic/Lopez who have gotten much better between year one and two), while we're able to swing a deal including Richardson's 14 million dollar expiring, a pick, hell maybe Clark for a disgruntled superstar vet on the verge of 2011 FA for one more two year run with Nash before his legs fall off... well, that's my pipe dream anyway.

As far as pipe dreams go that one's worth smoking AFAIC. I only want to move Amare because of his cost/injury risk and not because of performance. We're likely to get the shaft in any deal we make which is making no deal look like the best option.

Steve

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Wait, so let me get this straight.. most of you would rather amare walk for nothing then get a prospect and cap room.

Ill be sure to book mark that this summer when amare says peace.

eh, i think the front office eventually has to put its foot down and make the rest of the league take note that they won't continually be bent over. i see this as kinda taking a stand. besides, this summer if someone really wants him they'll have to approach us with a sign and trade (likely) and that should net something close in equivalence to a jj hickson and last pick in the first round, plus we get to play out the string/playoffs with amare and deny thunder an even better draft pick.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I was thinking the same thing Cheese... However, Amare has already turned down the Suns contract extension offer - whatever that was... Just not sure he is going to be willing to negotiate again with the Suns.

a lot can change when no one's offering you better. Just ask Marion who thought he was worth 20 million... and ended up with 8.

Freaking Shawn Marion screwing up that KG deal!!!!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Freaking Shawn Marion screwing up that KG deal!!!!

i will never forgive him for that. never.

 

[Cheesebeef]

i know you're on hiatus right now, but the family would like to request that you stop smoking crack.

man, I just re-read that... that is some GOOD CRACK!!!!

 

[Covert Rain]

I would rather risk seeing Amare walk in the summer than have done the Cavs deal or any equally bad deal. The packages being offered were similar to what the Suns could get in a S&T and chances are teams will be looking to send some salary if they can to maximize their FA spending.

-1

That sounds good in theory. However, the odds are squarely against the Suns. If the Suns could manage to resign Amare then great. However, I think there is ZERO chance of it. The Suns are not willing to pay Max and Amare and his agent want Max.

There is going to be a team willing to pay him the money he wants. There always is every single year ready to make a bonehead move.

If we get nothing for letting a player of Amare's caliber walk for nothing....there is no scenario in which that is a GOOD MOVE for the Suns.

This is a scenario where I would take the best offer out there (provided we don't take on crap contracts) versus getting nothing.

 

[Cheesebeef]

i will never forgive him for that. never.

i'm sure he's crushed about that.

 

[82CardsGrad]

a lot can change when no one's offering you better. Just ask Marion who thought he was worth 20 million... and ended up with 8.

Freaking Shawn Marion screwing up that KG deal!!!!

I know... but Marion is no longer with the team and the goal here would be to somehow keep Amare. It takes two interested parties to make that happen. Just not sure we would have that here, even with Amare getting bitchslapped by the reality of his situation...

 

[AzStevenCal]

Wait, so let me get this straight.. most of you would rather amare walk for nothing then get a prospect and cap room.

Ill be sure to book mark that this summer when amare says peace.

I don't think any of us prefer that - we're hoping for a third option because the two you mention are sickening us. Unless you really mean "prospect" which I doubt is being made available to us despite all these absurd rumors and so called reports.

Steve

 

[joshstmarie]

that deal wouldn't have gotten us cap room... it would have gotten us luxury tax room... HOORAY!

Hickson is a piece of garbage and so is the 30th pick.

as opposed to......nothing?

 

[joshstmarie]

Im not saying I love any of these trades but if amare gives us the finger this summer, which he will. yikes.