Miami/Riley Hot after Amare- Per Yahoo..

[asudevil83]

The latest gossip says they never offered Beasley to begin with.

Kerr keeps saying the Suns are "listening to offers." At this point Kerr should just TELL the Heat what he wants, take it or leave it.

Who's gonna blink first, the guy who might lose Amare for nothing or the guy who might lose Wade for nothing?

at this point there are 2 huge things going for the heat.

1.) they have the cap space to sign Amare and keep Wade at the same time
2.) by not making a trade right now, they keep Beasley and their picks.

i honestly dont see ANY difference between now and the offseason in getting Amare. Amare would still have to CHOOSE the heat over any options he has. he would either have to choose to sign through FA or choose to resign or excersice his option. and personally i'd CHOOSE the Heat through FA knowing they'll have retained all their assets.

oh and Kerr needs to be fired. he IS the laughing stock of the NBA. NOBODY and i mean NOBODY that has ANYTHING to do with the NBA (fans, media, players, gm's, owners) has any respect for him. the suns will NEVER get any sort of fair value trade offer with him making decisions because his only history is f'ing up.

 

[overseascardfan]

at this point there are 2 huge things going for the heat.

1.) they have the cap space to sign Amare and keep Wade at the same time
2.) by not making a trade right now, they keep Beasley and their picks.

i honestly dont see ANY difference between now and the offseason in getting Amare. Amare would still have to CHOOSE the heat over any options he has. he would either have to choose to sign through FA or choose to resign or excersice his option. and personally i'd CHOOSE the Heat through FA knowing they'll have retained all their assets.

oh and Kerr needs to be fired. he IS the laughing stock of the NBA. NOBODY and i mean NOBODY that has ANYTHING to do with the NBA (fans, media, players, gm's, owners) has any respect for him. the suns will NEVER get any sort of fair value trade offer with him making decisions because his only history is f'ing up.

Not that I support Kerr or think he's a decent GM, he is not, but what was he suppose to do in this situation? Take CLE's garbage of Z & Hickson? WAS got fleeced for Jamison and he wasn't even going to be a FA. No one knows if Beasley was ever offered to PHX except Riley or Kerr. Amare might have had his feelings hurt by PHX's willingness to deal him but I honestly do not think MIA will pony up $17.7M for him next year. If we can't get anything decent from MIA (Beasley needs to be in the package) then tell them to pound sand.

 

[Lorenzo]

OT:

but the suns must find a way to keep amare if you ask me. the guy is special. He may not play defense like you want him to, but I think you keep a star like that because he can't be replaced. Bring in some guys around he and nash who still has a couple of years left. Bring in another BIG (not a big name like shaq) but a complimentary BIG that will play dirty in the trenches(a guy like damp). Then bring in a coach that will get him to focus more on defense and rebounding. and I think the suns can salvage their future with amare. my point is if you deal him you may be waiting another decade or two before you get another all star like that.

 

[sunsfan88]

The latest gossip says they never offered Beasley to begin with.

Kerr keeps saying the Suns are "listening to offers." At this point Kerr should just TELL the Heat what he wants, take it or leave it.

Who's gonna blink first, the guy who might lose Amare for nothing or the guy who might lose Wade for nothing?

Thats BS. Miami offered Beasley at first but since Kerr cannot see talent he said no to that deal.

 

[Cheesebeef]

OT:

but the suns must find a way to keep amare if you ask me. the guy is special. He may not play defense like you want him to, but I think you keep a star like that because he can't be replaced. Bring in some guys around he and nash who still has a couple of years left. Bring in another BIG (not a big name like shaq) but a complimentary BIG that will play dirty in the trenches(a guy like damp). Then bring in a coach that will get him to focus more on defense and rebounding. and I think the suns can salvage their future with amare. my point is if you deal him you may be waiting another decade or two before you get another all star like that.

all of that requires more pieces to be added to the team, which means more $ which means none of the above has a shot in hell of happening as long as Sarver's running the ship. We don't have Cuban... we have the anti-Cuban.

 

[Folster]

Do the Suns even have a plan?

 

[Lorenzo]

all of that requires more pieces to be added to the team, which means more $ which means none of the above has a shot in hell of happening as long as Sarver's running the ship. We don't have Cuban... we have the anti-Cuban.

I thought sarver was a cuban disciple?? doesn't the purple palace still sale out these days? if so he better roll out the red carpet for his prospects on the court and his fans. you don't want the culture to change. when you lose a star like amare and then possibly your fans things can go south really quick...

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Do the Suns even have a plan?

Of course they do. Their plan is to just wing it.

 

[jagu]

Suns will keep him and we will go down swinging .

 

[KloD]

Thats BS. Miami offered Beasley at first but since Kerr cannot see talent he said no to that deal.

Proof??

Please... Kerr may not be a good, or even decent GM, but he told the Cavs thanks, but no thanks. He deserves cred for not making that crap deal. The Heats owner has said they weren't interested in giving up Beasley, there's only some bogus "insiders" claiming he's been part of any offer.

Clevland not being involved doesn't hurt the Suns position w/ Miami. The Suns don't have to trade Amare, if Miami wants him they will have to offer enough to get him. Sure he can opt out and sign elsewhere, but that will be for a much less amount than he could get from the Suns, therefore it is in his interest to be apart of a sign and trade. The Suns are not without options and are not in a powerless position here.

Bravo to Kerr for telling the Cavs no thanks.

 

[sunsfan88]

Proof??

Please... Kerr may not be a good, or even decent GM, but he told the Cavs thanks, but no thanks. He deserves cred for not making that crap deal. The Heats owner has said they weren't interested in giving up Beasley, there's only some bogus "insiders" claiming he's been part of any offer.

Clevland not being involved doesn't hurt the Suns position w/ Miami. The Suns don't have to trade Amare, if Miami wants him they will have to offer enough to get him. Sure he can opt out and sign elsewhere, but that will be for a much less amount than he could get from the Suns, therefore it is in his interest to be apart of a sign and trade. The Suns are not without options and are not in a powerless position here.

Bravo to Kerr for telling the Cavs no thanks.

Dude seriously?? My nine year old brother would have said no to the Cavs deal!! It doesn't take much to tell that trade is heavily favored in CLE's direction!

I am pretty sure MIA is offering Beasley. Wade ain't happy with the current team and that means he ain't happy with Beasley. Therefore MIA would give up what ever necessary to get who ever makes Wade happy.

I bet MIA is offering Beasley now for sure with Wade injured and the Heat barely beating the Nets.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

Dude seriously?? My nine year old brother would have said no to the Cavs deal!! It doesn't take much to tell that trade is heavily favored in CLE's direction!

I am pretty sure MIA is offering Beasley. Wade ain't happy with the current team and that means he ain't happy with Beasley. Therefore MIA would give up what ever necessary to get who ever makes Wade happy.

I bet MIA is offering Beasley now for sure with Wade and Jermaine O'Neal injured and the Heat barely beating the Nets.

Fixed this for ya.

 

[joshstmarie]

Dude seriously?? My nine year old brother would have said no to the Cavs deal!! It doesn't take much to tell that trade is heavily favored in CLE's direction!

I am pretty sure MIA is offering Beasley. Wade ain't happy with the current team and that means he ain't happy with Beasley. Therefore MIA would give up what ever necessary to get who ever makes Wade happy.

I bet MIA is offering Beasley now for sure with Wade injured and the Heat barely beating the Nets.

Why would the heat offer beasly when they can grab amare this summer?
There is no way the heat deal for amare now.

 

[TBaslim]

Dude seriously?? My nine year old brother would have said no to the Cavs deal!! It doesn't take much to tell that trade is heavily favored in CLE's direction!

I am pretty sure MIA is offering Beasley. Wade ain't happy with the current team and that means he ain't happy with Beasley. Therefore MIA would give up what ever necessary to get who ever makes Wade happy.

I bet MIA is offering Beasley now for sure with Wade injured and the Heat barely beating the Nets.

Dude, seriously....what evidence do you have to make this claim? Some random insider rumors, the same as all the other 'insider info' people throw around. Until a Suns rep or a Heat rep indicates Beasley was offered, it is all speculation.

How can you rail against Kerr for a trade you have no evidence he turned down?

 

[Cheesebeef]

I thought sarver was a cuban disciple??

surely this is a joke... the only way he was EVER a cuban disciple is when he made an ass of himself a couple times with his big foam finger and doing the chicken dance at the Spurs trying to get attention for himself (and even Cuban didn't do ridiculous crap like that)

doesn't the purple palace still sale out these days?

uh, no.

if so he better roll out the red carpet for his prospects on the court and his fans. you don't want the culture to change. when you lose a star like amare and then possibly your fans things can go south really quick...

culture changed the second JC sold the team.

the above post is so far off the mark that I can't tell if it's being facetious or not. ESPN, CBS, hell, pretty much every sports reporting agency treats Sarver as if he's the second coming of Donald Sterling and I don't blame them... cause they're right for the most part.

 

[mojorizen7]

Do the Suns even have a plan?

Financially? Yes. Lower costs without bottoming out.
In terms of basketball? No. We are neither contending or rebuilding.

 

[GYDevil]

Financially? Yes. Lower costs without bottoming out.
In terms of basketball? No. We are neither contending or rebuilding.

Sarver has been very up front about that fact for years. Sure he would like to win a championship but he is not going to do it with a $90 million payroll (like the Lakers). He has been paying the luxury tax for years and has been easily in the upper half of payroll his entire time here yet is continuously branded as cheap. His self-stated plan is clear: win consistently, play an entertaining style, and hope they luck out with a team that makes a run to the title. In other words, this current team is the exact blueprint of his plan. The only other successful way to build a championship contender is a very painful process: 1) blow up the team, suck for 2-5 years, hope during one of those years you get a top 1-3 pick and that your pick turns out to be a superstar. Then suck or be mediocre for a few more year while you try to build a team around the star. 2) blow up team, suck 2-5 years, stockpile talent with high picks, and then trade for a star from a desperate team (a la Lakers & Celtics) that puts you over the top. There are probably 2 dozen teams that have tried this over the last 15 years and only a handful have been successful at it. If we did this we are more than likely to turn out like the Wizards than anything else. I actually prefer what Sarver and Kerr are doing. Try to hang on and be successful while developing young talent. The Suns are clearly better today than they were 2-3 months ago because of Robin and Goran. Why not continue to try to develop those guys while keeping the nucleus intact. I don't think it is a given at this moment that we lose to any other team in the playoffs beside the Lakers. If they made it to the Western Conference finals or even the semis I think you call that a successful season. Heck, that is basically as well as we have done since Nash has been here.

 

[mojorizen7]

Sarver has been very up front about that fact for years. Sure he would like to win a championship but he is not going to do it with a $90 million payroll (like the Lakers). He has been paying the luxury tax for years and has been easily in the upper half of payroll his entire time here yet is continuously branded as cheap. His self-stated plan is clear: win consistently, play an entertaining style, and hope they luck out with a team that makes a run to the title. In other words, this current team is the exact blueprint of his plan. The only other successful way to build a championship contender is a very painful process: 1) blow up the team, suck for 2-5 years, hope during one of those years you get a top 1-3 pick and that your pick turns out to be a superstar. Then suck or be mediocre for a few more year while you try to build a team around the star. 2) blow up team, suck 2-5 years, stockpile talent with high picks, and then trade for a star from a desperate team (a la Lakers & Celtics) that puts you over the top. There are probably 2 dozen teams that have tried this over the last 15 years and only a handful have been successful at it. If we did this we are more than likely to turn out like the Wizards than anything else. I actually prefer what Sarver and Kerr are doing. Try to hang on and be successful while developing young talent. The Suns are clearly better today than they were 2-3 months ago because of Robin and Goran. Why not continue to try to develop those guys while keeping the nucleus intact. I don't think it is a given at this moment that we lose to any other team in the playoffs beside the Lakers. If they made it to the Western Conference finals or even the semis I think you call that a successful season. Heck, that is basically as well as we have done since Nash has been here.

Well said and welcome to the board.

For myself, this crowd pleasing,defenseless,SSOL Nash,Stoudemire,Hill and Channing Frye crap has worn on me......its worn on many long time die hard fans(they just don't post here).
Unfortunately,I've been a voice of negativity since joining this board.....right after the '07 playoffs. Before that i was fully onboard with whatever direction the team was headed. I trusted my team.

The FO has no idea what they're doing or how to achieve it if they did at this point.

I don't believe in our offensive system, our owner, GM or our elder players either.
I strongly believe that if this team were blown up(bye bye Nashy,JRich,Hill, Amare) we wouldn't be as horrifically bad for as long as many predict.
I believe that Barbosa could be more than a good 6th man with better coaching and responsibility,i believe that Dudley(who i love as a young player) will become softer the longer he plays here in this system, i have no idea why the SUNS drafted E. Clark, and i believe that Dragic will eventually turn into a very good starting NBA point guard.

I may take another long break from posting here. Flame away.

 

[Chaplin]

Thats BS. Miami offered Beasley at first but since Kerr cannot see talent he said no to that deal.

Really? Where did you see that?

Beasley was never offered.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Sarver has been very up front about that fact for years. Sure he would like to win a championship but he is not going to do it with a $90 million payroll (like the Lakers). He has been paying the luxury tax for years and has been easily in the upper half of payroll his entire time here yet is continuously branded as cheap. His self-stated plan is clear: win consistently, play an entertaining style, and hope they luck out with a team that makes a run to the title. In other words, this current team is the exact blueprint of his plan. The only other successful way to build a championship contender is a very painful process: 1) blow up the team, suck for 2-5 years, hope during one of those years you get a top 1-3 pick and that your pick turns out to be a superstar. Then suck or be mediocre for a few more year while you try to build a team around the star. 2) blow up team, suck 2-5 years, stockpile talent with high picks, and then trade for a star from a desperate team (a la Lakers & Celtics) that puts you over the top. There are probably 2 dozen teams that have tried this over the last 15 years and only a handful have been successful at it. If we did this we are more than likely to turn out like the Wizards than anything else. I actually prefer what Sarver and Kerr are doing. Try to hang on and be successful while developing young talent. The Suns are clearly better today than they were 2-3 months ago because of Robin and Goran. Why not continue to try to develop those guys while keeping the nucleus intact. I don't think it is a given at this moment that we lose to any other team in the playoffs beside the Lakers. If they made it to the Western Conference finals or even the semis I think you call that a successful season. Heck, that is basically as well as we have done since Nash has been here.

Excellent post. Spot on.

 

[tobiazz]

Really? Where did you see that?

Beasley was never offered.

Really? Where did you see that?

 

[GYDevil]

Really? Where did you see that?

"The Miami Heat are the only known suitor left for Stoudemire, but sources say that Miami has not been willing to add Michael Beasley to a trade package. Although the Suns, according to sources, see Beasley more as an asset for down-the-road moves than as a potential piece of their long-term future, Phoenix would want Beasley and at least one future first-round pick to surrender Stoudemire."

Here is the link:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4924306

 

[Chaplin]

Really? Where did you see that?

ALL OVER THE INTERNET. Including articles posted on this very site!

 

[Chaplin]

Why would the heat offer beasly when they can grab amare this summer?
There is no way the heat deal for amare now.

You keep harping on that, and the possibility is real, but would Amare be happy playing center for the Heat? Because if they don't get rid of Beasley, that's exactly what Amare would do. And if they decide to move Beasley to the bench, how would that affect his "fragile" ego?

Don't think that Miami is this bed of roses, because it isn't. Outside of Beasley and Wade, Miami has nothing.

 

[tobiazz]

ALL OVER THE INTERNET. Including articles posted on this very site!

Don't yell at me. You are assuming the no-Beasley rumors are true and others are assuming the Beasley rumors are true. Both types of rumors are ALL OVER THE INTERNET and both have "articles" with "sources." Nobody knows for sure what did and did not happen except the front offices. Unless you are one of these sources, you have no business presenting speculation (yours or ESPN's) as fact.