Miami/Riley Hot after Amare- Per Yahoo..

[cly2tw]

The team that ends up with Amare will likely win the title this year.

 

[The Polecat]

I listened to the radio at lunch today, and both Bickley and Gambo said that reports out of Miami are that they offered Beasely, Q. Rich, filler, and both picks.

If this is a real offer, take it.
Beasely and Q can help keep us out of the lottery this year
and give us a base to develop for the future.
If they really do not like Beasely- He has some value in the open market.

 

[Chaplin]

I listened to the radio at lunch today, and both Bickley and Gambo said that reports out of Miami are that they offered Beasely, Q. Rich, filler, and both picks.

If this is a real offer, take it.
Beasely and Q can help keep us out of the lottery this year
and give us a base to develop for the future.
If they really do not like Beasely- He has some value in the open market.

That can't be true.

Because there is no reason NOT to take that offer.

 

[mojorizen7]

Just to chime in on LB. The dude was not shooting well with the cyst, but was nails coming off the bench before that. That being said, his injury was the best thing ever for Dragic, who has gotten a lot more playing time since LB has been out. I think LB is valuable to us, but Gentry HAS to find a way to bring LB back without reducing Dragic's time, or Dudley's, Frye's, or any of the second teams guys that have been so effective for us lately.

Easy,move Nash so we can all get on with our basketball lives...... and so our youngsters can begin to develop their skills and roles without relying on one of the best PG's to ever play the game to get them points and easy shots because he won't be here forever.

 

[Chaplin]

Easy,move Nash so we can all get on with our basketball lives...... and so our youngsters can begin to develop their skills and roles without relying on one of the best PG's to ever play the game to get them points and easy shots because he won't be here forever.

Easy. Riiight. Come on mojo, in theory, you've probably got a point, but it's FAR from easy.

 

[TBaslim]

Easy,move Nash so we can all get on with our basketball lives...... and so our youngsters can begin to develop their skills and roles without relying on one of the best PG's to ever play the game to get them points and easy shots because he won't be here forever.

Wow. That would be about the dumbest thing the Suns could do at this point, as long as Nash is playing at even a fraction of his current level.

Without Nash (and with Amare) this team wins 20 games. Maybe 15, maybe 30 in a stretch. They probably beat teams like the Nets and Sacto in a 7 game series. Maybe.

 

[mojorizen7]

Wow. That would be about the dumbest thing the Suns could do at this point, as long as Nash is playing at even a fraction of his current level.

Without Nash (and with Amare) this team wins 20 games. Maybe 15, maybe 30 in a stretch. They probably beat teams like the Nets and Sacto in a 7 game series. Maybe.

What exactly is having Nash playing at his current level doing for this team?.......... serving Nash, it could be argued.

Apparently you just decided to read: Move Nash.

I'm a believer in the fact that young players need to be "thrown into the fire" so to speak,in order to grow. Being mentored and supported by great players is also a good thing....initially.
I wonder what kind of a player Barbosa would be today if he were starting alongside Dragic if Nash had left a year or two ago? Where would Dragic be if Nash had left last summer?
Point is, having Dragic(and others) play behind Nash for another 2-3 yrs would be a mistake IMO.

These aren't NFL QB's that should be groomed long term IMO.
Just a different perspective.

Lets say that Nash is still playing here when he's 40(because he's still playing well). At what point does it STOP becoming HIS TEAM?

 

[elindholm]

It's a myth that Nash is inhibiting the development of other players. As long as they are getting minutes, they have plenty of opportunity to work on all the in-game skills they want. The main thing Nash does is free his teammates from the burden of having to create their own shots, but most of them will never be able to do that anyway, and the others can hone those skills when Nash is on the bench or not heavily involved in the play.

The fact that this team sucks without Nash isn't because Nash makes everyone's jobs easier. It's because most of the players besides Nash simply aren't very good.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

According to Gambo, the deal with Beasley is that he apparently has a bad rap regarding his character... Not sure exactly what all he did to earn this reputation as a high-risk character dude, but it's there. Of course, he is only 21 years old so no doubt he has a ton of maturing to do, both on and off the court...
The other thing to consider is that if this deal with the Heat did go down, there is no guarantee that the Suns would be able to get a trade for Beasley done in time. Which means the Suns could end up with Beasley for the remainder of the season, giving them 2 months or so to see what he really is all about. Who knows, maybe he's not the bad guy some people think he is...

The word is that he contemplated suicide to go along with the marijuana troubles.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I listened to the radio at lunch today, and both Bickley and Gambo said that reports out of Miami are that they offered Beasely, Q. Rich, filler, and both picks.

If this is a real offer, take it.
Beasely and Q can help keep us out of the lottery this year
and give us a base to develop for the future.
If they really do not like Beasely- He has some value in the open market.

Beasley and 2 picks? Wow, sign me up. I'm in the don't trade Amare camp, but that is too good to be true.

 

[devilalum]

Beasley and 2 picks? Wow, sign me up. I'm in the don't trade Amare camp, but that is too good to be true.

It very well might be too good to be true. I can remember times after the trade deadline past and Suns management laughing when asked why didn't you do the deal with whoever.

Just because all the media outlets are reporting something doesn't mean it's real.

This is what I've seen in recent days. Coro makes something up based on his familiarity with the team. Real GM and ESPN insider quote Coro's "idea." Stein and all the rest of the "experts" comment on it and next thing you we're all talking about why the Suns don't jump on this great offer.

Sometimes teams leak info to try and manipulate a situation but I swear most of this stuff is just made up.

 

[TucsonDevil]

The fact that this team sucks without Nash isn't because Nash makes everyone's jobs easier. It's because most of the players besides Nash simply aren't very good.

Now THAT is the Gospel Truth!

 

[Griffin]

From RealGM:

The Miami Heat have not offered Michael Beasley or either of their two first-round picks in exchange for Amare Stoudemire, according to sources.

"I'm not sure Miami is willing to pay the price for Amare," a Suns source told ESPN.com. "We have to get something for him. We're not giving him away. If Miami gets serious, then I think they would get him. But right now, they are not showing they're serious."

If this is true, then it suggests that teams are indeed not offering anything of value for Amare, because they expect the Suns to just give away Amare the same way they did with Shaq and others. They think that Sarver is desperate enough to save a few bucks that he will take any deal offered to him as long as it reduces the Suns' payroll.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

What exactly is having Nash playing at his current level doing for this team?.......... serving Nash, it could be argued.

Apparently you just decided to read: Move Nash.

I'm a believer in the fact that young players need to be "thrown into the fire" so to speak,in order to grow. Being mentored and supported by great players is also a good thing....initially.
I wonder what kind of a player Barbosa would be today if he were starting alongside Dragic if Nash had left a year or two ago? Where would Dragic be if Nash had left last summer?
Point is, having Dragic(and others) play behind Nash for another 2-3 yrs would be a mistake IMO.

These aren't NFL QB's that should be groomed long term IMO.
Just a different perspective.

Lets say that Nash is still playing here when he's 40(because he's still playing well). At what point does it STOP becoming HIS TEAM?

It stops when he stops playing. He has earned it. Comparable to Stockton winding down his career.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Just heard a report on Gambo & Ash that Amare and his agent fully expect a trade to be announced within the next 12 hours. Either Cavs or Heat... no other details...

 

[Bufalay]

Just heard a report on Gambo & Ash that Amare and his agent fully expect a trade to be announced within the next 12 hours. Either Cavs or Heat... no other details...

Hopefully they trade Amare and LB for Shaq. Then Shaq can be waived and return to cleveland

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

i don't know if anyone's been paying attention to the other goings-on in the nba, but if the rockets are going to net jordan hill, a swap of firsts with the knicks this year, and possibly another knicks first round pick in future, all for an injured expiring mcgrady, how are we getting hosed so badly? SURELY an all-star PF should net more than that!!! i mean, we have more bargaining power in that we don't NEED to move amare (i don't think he opts out this year) whereas the rockets NEED to move mcgrady or lose whatever value he has at the end of the season. in other words, we should be in a position of bargaining power strength compared to the rockets, and yet they're going to net more??? dejesus H christ on a popsicle stick!

 

[Mainstreet]

i don't know if anyone's been paying attention to the other goings-on in the nba, but if the rockets are going to net jordan hill, a swap of firsts with the knicks this year, and possibly another knicks first round pick in future, all for an injured expiring mcgrady, how are we getting hosed so badly? SURELY an all-star PF should net more than that!!! i mean, we have more bargaining power in that we don't NEED to move amare (i don't think he opts out this year) whereas the rockets NEED to move mcgrady or lose whatever value he has at the end of the season. in other words, we should be in a position of bargaining power strength compared to the rockets, and yet they're going to net more??? dejesus H christ on a popsicle stick!

The answer is Robert Sarver and GM Steve Kerr. I wish they would somehow prove me wrong.

 

[82CardsGrad]

i don't know if anyone's been paying attention to the other goings-on in the nba, but if the rockets are going to net jordan hill, a swap of firsts with the knicks this year, and possibly another knicks first round pick in future, all for an injured expiring mcgrady, how are we getting hosed so badly? SURELY an all-star PF should net more than that!!! i mean, we have more bargaining power in that we don't NEED to move amare (i don't think he opts out this year) whereas the rockets NEED to move mcgrady or lose whatever value he has at the end of the season. in other words, we should be in a position of bargaining power strength compared to the rockets, and yet they're going to net more??? dejesus H christ on a popsicle stick!

What makes you so sure Amare doesn't opt out?? Sure, his final year pays him a handsome sum, but what happens after that?? He wants a long-term deal, not just a one year Max, or close to Max deal. My bet is that he does walk if we can't work out a trade...

 

[Mulli]

What makes you so sure Amare doesn't opt out?? Sure, his final year pays him a handsome sum, but what happens after that?? He wants a long-term deal, not just a one year Max, or close to Max deal. My bet is that he does walk if we can't work out a trade...

Who are you calling Max?

 

[Ronin]

i don't know if anyone's been paying attention to the other goings-on in the nba, but if the rockets are going to net jordan hill, a swap of firsts with the knicks this year, and possibly another knicks first round pick in future, all for an injured expiring mcgrady, how are we getting hosed so badly?

Mike D'antoni doesn't like rookies....
Too Soon?

 

[mojorizen7]

It's a myth that Nash is inhibiting the development of other players. As long as they are getting minutes, they have plenty of opportunity to work on all the in-game skills they want. The main thing Nash does is free his teammates from the burden of having to create their own shots, but most of them will never be able to do that anyway, and the others can hone those skills when Nash is on the bench or not heavily involved in the play.

The fact that this team sucks without Nash isn't because Nash makes everyone's jobs easier. It's because most of the players besides Nash simply aren't very good.

Weak
The fact that this team sucks without Nash is because most of the players besides Nash aren't very good? Pretty general statement. How far back are you willing to maintain this argument? I recall some pretty good SUNS teams that fell apart when Nash was taken out of the equation....not because they couldn't play, but because they couldn't play without Nash....thats ok when you're a contender,moving Nash under those circumstances would be ludicrous.....but things have changed. I still browse thru your other board E. If you wanna take the point/counter point view here thats cool, but your opinions and mine on this matter(the matter of moving on) are very similiar.

The Porter era was obviously a disaster but i would argue that Barbosa became a better, more complete player in those 6 months than he ever did under DA/Nash. I doubt that was because of the brilliance of Porter.....it was because Barbs had to learn how to become effective without Nash driving the car.

So 2 years down the road (when Nash feels like stepping down)we're going to simply hand over the keys to a bunch of kids and expect them to lead,create offense etc...???
Poor foresight IMO.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Mike D'antoni doesn't like rookies....
Too Soon?

lol. still hurts.

 

[Bufalay]

According to RealGM, the Cavs are trading for Jamison.

 

[82CardsGrad]

According to RealGM, the Cavs are trading for Jamison.

Not a big surprise as Amare was not at all into the Cleveland deal... Should be interesting to see what Miami does as recent reports indicate they pulled Beasley off the table...