Mike Mayock has us taking Rashard Mendenhall.

[asuhoopnut]

Kiper has Cromartie going to the Cardinals

 

[DaisyCutter]

No disrepect intended, but Stephen Jackson learned a lot by sharing time with Marshall Faulk early in his career.

Or Maurice Jones-Drew with Fred Taylor. Or Adrian Peterson and Chester Taylor. Or Brandon Jacobs and Tiki Barber. Or Willie Parker and Jerome Bettis. Or Joeseph Addai and Dominic Rhodes. Or Larry Johnson and Priest Holmes. Or Shaun Alexander and Ricky Watters. Etc. etc.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Why?

Cause Otah is a beast. He would solidify our tackle situation, and falls into the power running game scheme.

 

[Mulli]

True story:

Bearfan/cubfan intern said he hoped Mendenhall fell to the Bears. I said no way he needs to fall to the Cards. He said you are a Cardsfan as if I was a **** and said I was crazy. I said same as being a cubfan.

It hurt his feelings.

Hah!

 

[slanidrac16]

Crock o' nonsense, good buddy. No players except QBs learn by sitting. If we draft Mendenhall, it's to start him asap. There is no red-shirting in the NFL and most RBs have short careers.

Keep in mind Skkorp of the successful teams utilizing 2 rb's. One other thing is Mendenhall or Stewart will have to prove to the coaches they can pick up the blitz. That will take time.
Now if you are saying Mendenhall will get the first handoff of the game, thus starting, okay. But rest assured Edge will get his share of the workload especially in the first half of the season.

 

[Skkorpion]

Just because a guy sat doesn't mean he learned anything. That's unsupported opinion.

My opinion is that every one of those RBs produced results when used. Sitting them for a while was not relevant.

We'll revisit this when and if we draft a RB at #16. I am certain I will be proven correct because Whisenhunt does not like the production he's getting from Edge.

 

[Mulli]

Just because a guy sat doesn't mean he learned anything. That's unsupported opinion.

My opinion is that every one of those RBs produced results when used. Sitting them for a while was not relevant.

We'll revisit this when and if we draft a RB at #16. I am certain I will be proven correct because Whisenhunt does not like the production he's getting from Edge.

See Cedric Benson and Thomas Jones.

 

[lobo]

True that Mendenhall only had one monster year, but he did average 8.2 yards per carry in limited duty as a sophomore (tops in the Big Ten) and he was considered a blue chipper coming out of high school.

Mendenhall being successful is no fluke. The Illini faithful have been expecting him to break out like he did this past season.

I do recall that, and we are on the same page, but my caveat stands...one great season....his sophomore year was indeed limited. If we get him great.

 

[DaisyCutter]

Just because a guy sat doesn't mean he learned anything. That's unsupported opinion.

My opinion is that every one of those RBs produced results when used. Sitting them for a while was not relevant.

We'll revisit this when and if we draft a RB at #16. I am certain I will be proven correct because Whisenhunt does not like the production he's getting from Edge.

So is that no backs, especially highly-drafted backs, don't start their first seasons. There's a reason that a whole bunch of teams didn't start their first-round RBs in their rookie seasons. It's not because those backs were bad.

Crock o' nonsense, good buddy. No players except QBs learn by sitting. If we draft Mendenhall, it's to start him asap. There is no red-shirting in the NFL and most RBs have short careers.

It sounds like you're saying that all RBs drafted high start. If that's not what you're saying, then I take back any criticism.

But it's a fact that very, very few college RBs have the blocking skills to protect their quarterbacks when they come in to the NFL.

No one expects a first-round RB to not play ("redshirt") his rookie season. That expectation is ridiculous.

But to say that first-round RBs in the NFL don't fail to earn a starting job in training camp and are used in a complementary role for their rookie seasons at first? That's an opinion totally unsupported by fact.

 

[cardsfanmd]

Not a linebacker.

Yes he is.

Do you think it is a coincidence that his name is only mentioned w/ the teams that employ a 3-4?

Miami
NE
NYJ
Baltimore

 

[cardsfanmd]

Why?

Just my personal opinion I guess. I would rather have a dominent line that a stud RB.

I think Otah and Levi could quickly become the baddest bookends in the game.

 

[WildBB]

Just my personal opinion I guess. I would rather have a dominent line that a stud RB.

I think Otah and Levi could quickly become the baddest bookends in the game.

There is merit in that. A great rusher with burst can make the line better as well.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think Denver is the wild card to pick Mendenhall. If they don't take him,i think he's there for the Cards. I wouldn't mind Otah but i think he's gone by 16 and either to Denver,again, or Chicago and posssibly Carolina.

 

[cardsfanmd]

There is merit in that. A great rusher with burst can make the line better as well.

Agreed, but he doesn't make the pass blocking much better, and there is only one of him. If you have a great line, they are far less likely to be injured or have a short career. Also, if the line is great anyone can run behind them with reasonable success. Then if you starting RB goes down, the world isn't over when the backup comes in.

When your line dominates the LOS short-yardage and goalline situations are much less stressfull. I am just the type that prefers to see the team build from the inside out. If the line is great, you can always get 3-4 yards when you need them and the QB will have more time to pass. When the QB has 5-7 seconds in the pocket, any WR can get open.

 

[WildBB]

Agreed, but he doesn't make the pass blocking much better, and there is only one of him. If you have a great line, they are far less likely to be injured or have a short career. Also, if the line is great anyone can run behind them with reasonable success. Then if you starting RB goes down, the world isn't over when the backup comes in.

When your line dominates the LOS short-yardage and goalline situations are much less stressfull. I am just the type that prefers to see the team build from the inside out. If the line is great, you can always get 3-4 yards when you need them and the QB will have more time to pass. When the QB has 5-7 seconds in the pocket, any WR can get open.

Yeah , but Otah is far from a good pass protector right now. That's a big work in progress. Whereas Williams is much further along in that reguard.

And with the better rushing attack, you become less dependent on passing.

 

[chicards11]

True story:

Bearfan/cubfan intern said he hoped Mendenhall fell to the Bears. I said no way he needs to fall to the Cards. He said you are a Cardsfan as if I was a **** and said I was crazy. I said same as being a cubfan.

It hurt his feelings.

Hah!

at least we won in 1947...those losers date back to 1908

 

[Mulli]

at least we won in 1947...those losers date back to 1908

I will try to work that into conversation.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Yes he is.

Do you think it is a coincidence that his name is only mentioned w/ the teams that employ a 3-4?

Miami
NE
NYJ
Baltimore

He is a linemen. He does an ok job of dropping back into coverage, but he is going to be drafted by someone who will use him to rush the passer. He is a prototypical pass rusher.

You consider the 2007 Ted Hendricks Award winner for best defense end in the country a LB?

We'll just disagree on this one. He is twice the prospect at DE than he is at OLB.

 

[cardsfanmd]

He is a linemen. He does an ok job of dropping back into coverage, but he is going to be drafted by someone who will use him to rush the passer. He is a prototypical pass rusher.

You consider the 2007 Ted Hendricks Award winner for best defense end in the country a LB?

We'll just disagree on this one. He is twice the prospect at DE than he is at OLB.

Then why aren't any of the 4-3 teams who are in a position to draft him interested in his services? I have yet to see a credible mock that has him going to St. Louis, Atlanta, KC or Cincy.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

He is a linemen. He does an ok job of dropping back into coverage, but he is going to be drafted by someone who will use him to rush the passer. He is a prototypical pass rusher.

You consider the 2007 Ted Hendricks Award winner for best defense end in the country a LB?

We'll just disagree on this one. He is twice the prospect at DE than he is at OLB.

Well, Ted Hendricks was a LB in the pros; and there are as many publications projecting him as a 3-4 LB... as rush end.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Then why aren't any of the 4-3 teams who are in a position to draft him interested in his services? I have yet to see a credible mock that has him going to St. Louis, Atlanta, KC or Cincy.

Because they have bigger needs?

Well, Ted Hendricks was a LB in the pros; and there are as many publications projecting him as a 3-4 LB... as rush end.

There were many publications that said Rolle was a safety. That Berry was a LB. That Boldin was a FB It doesn't always happen that way.

I'm going to call a spade a spade and consider him a DE.

 

[cardsfanmd]

He is a linemen. He does an ok job of dropping back into coverage, but he is going to be drafted by someone who will use him to rush the passer. He is a prototypical pass rusher.

You consider the 2007 Ted Hendricks Award winner for best defense end in the country a LB?

We'll just disagree on this one. He is twice the prospect at DE than he is at OLB.

Wow, you just really dug you own grave with that one.

First, Gholston didn't win "the 2007 Ted Hendricks Award winner for best defensive end in the country". He has never won that award, and C. Long won it in '07.

Lets pretend for a minute that Gholston did win it though.

According to you, I get a for considering a winner of that award to be a LB.

Lets take a look at the previous winners of that award and their NFL positions please:

• '02 - Terrell Suggs---LB
• '03 - David Pollack---LB
• '04 - David Pollack---LB
• '05 - Elvis Dumervil---DE
• '06 - Lamar Woodley---LB
• '07 - Chris Long---LB

Why wont you just admit defeat and move on?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Wow, you just really dug you own grave with that one.

First, Gholston didn't win "the 2007 Ted Hendricks Award winner for best defensive end in the country". He has never won that award, and C. Long won it in '07.

Lets pretend for a minute that Gholston did win it though.

According to you, I get a for considering a winner of that award to be a LB.

Lets take a look at the previous winners of that award and their NFL positions please:

• '02 - Terrell Suggs---LB
• '03 - David Pollack---LB
• '04 - David Pollack---LB
• '05 - Elvis Dumervil---DE
• '06 - Lamar Woodley---LB
• '07 - Chris Long---LB

Why wont you just admit defeat and move on?

He was a finalist, and didn't win the award. My mistake.

There is nothing to admit defeat to. You think he will be better suited as a LB, I think DE. Get over it.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Because they have bigger needs?




There were many publications that said Rolle was a safety. That Berry was a LB. That Boldin was a FB It doesn't always happen that way.

I'm going to call a spade a spade and consider him a DE.

everything i have read, not to mention his size really dictates 3-4 OLB.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Wow, you just really dug you own grave with that one.

First, Gholston didn't win "the 2007 Ted Hendricks Award winner for best defensive end in the country". He has never won that award, and C. Long won it in '07.

Lets pretend for a minute that Gholston did win it though.

According to you, I get a for considering a winner of that award to be a LB.

Lets take a look at the previous winners of that award and their NFL positions please:

• '02 - Terrell Suggs---LB
• '03 - David Pollack---LB
• '04 - David Pollack---LB
• '05 - Elvis Dumervil---DE
• '06 - Lamar Woodley---LB
• '07 - Chris Long---LB

Why wont you just admit defeat and move on?

i was with you until chris long as a LB. he will be a DE