Miller once again does it again!

[Raindog]

Lol!... Yeah, Pastner already in trouble, and likely to end up being fired, too.

 

[BillsCarnage]

10-20 years? Penn State took less than five after Sandusky. Obviously, the magnitude is heavy, but like all things, this too shall pass. There is more than enough fan and booster support for Arizona hoops to get over this mess in a few years.

Yeah 20yrs is probably a wee bit much, but I could see 5-10yrs. It's going to depend, obviously, how hard the NCAA comes down on them - possible death penalty? We shall see

 

[SO91]

The NCAA has the perfect school to make an example of. They're corrupt af, but I wouldn't be shocked if they came down hard on us to appease the people demanding blood. This really sucks. My school cheated and didn't even get a championship or FF to at least enjoy while it was happening. Every team I root for is in shambles.

 

[BillsCarnage]

The NCAA has the perfect school to make an example of. They're corrupt af, but I wouldn't be shocked if they came down hard on us to appease the people demanding blood.

You might be right. Between UA and Lousville, the NCAA is going to have to dish out something harsh to someone at some point. The whole football fiasco ain't gonna help either.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Since I'm being mentioned I guess I'll address everything here, I said the following things regarding the investigation:

1. Whatever NCAA penalty is handed out will be small potatoes.

I still 1000% believe this to be true. Sure the optics are bad and Miller will lose his job but the we're talking a one or two year postseason ban at most and some vacated wins. If the NCAA drops the hammer on every school in the country they essentially destroy a product that nets them and their partners billions of dollars. The FBI may do that for them against their will but the NCAA isn't going to voluntarily be their own executioner. Plus public opinion is overwhelming in thinking players should be compensated so I wouldn't anticipate major NCAA sanctions over relative chump change in a world of millionaires and billionaires. Now exchanges of money tax-free that's a whole other issue but that has nothing to do with the NCAA.

2. Sean Miller is a good basketball coach.

The win-loss records say that and more. Only an idiot or someone with insane expectations would argue otherwise. This scandal of course is going to be a major black eye on that record but people who actually understand the sport (ie the loudest people on this topic on ASFN) can connect the dots and see that everyone (yes, even UCLA and ASU) was doing the same and most coaches/schools will suffer penalties for the same. Miller/Pitino are the first fall guys but most of college basketball and in the not so distant future college football is going to be implicated because this is how college sports has worked for decades and now there's a competent enforcement organization after the money. Watch Miller end up on an NBA bench sooner rather than later.

3. Season isn't a bust

It certainly wasn't when I said that yesterday as Arizona was on their way to a top 10 ranking, another Pac-12 championship, and producing the #1 pick in the draft. Again only an idiot or someone with insane expectations would argue otherwise. Saying 'I told you so' after new information comes out might be tactic with attorneys and TV writers but it's dishonest at best in the real world. I have no idea what the athletic department is planning to do but if Miller is fired, Ayton is sat, and the program self-imposes a ban this year then yes of course it is. But 24 hours ago it certainly wasn't.



To be honest, I really hope they say f- it and go for it all. I really don't have any moral issue with what Miller or Book or Alkins or Ayton were alleged to have done. What Rodriguez was doing was significantly more reprehensible. Miller's actions with the Mason-Pitts issue also significantly worse than this. Ayton and Alkins should be millionaires by now but an archaic system and greedy adults prevent them from doing that so I don't blame them for trying to get what they as skilled adults deserve. Nor do I blame Miller for trying to succeed with the system being what it has been for decades. At the same time there are NCAA rules so if they were broken then you have to pay the consequences.

Ultimately reading the Yahoo report it looks like everyone who has recruited a top 50 player is in some form guilty and the FBI isn't the NCAA so these transactions will be uncovered. If I had to guess the NBA fast-tracks the expanded G League, longer draft, and 2-3 and done rule and the NCAA tries to re-brand basketball like college baseball and hope they can keep up revenues. I don't think it will work personally and the sport along with football get forced into irrelevance or some part of a paid minor league system.

With regards to Arizona my guess is they are forced to hire within the family. Fortunately there's a lot of alums on college and NBA benches so you just hope whoever they pick will be good for whatever is left of major college basketball.

 

[82CardsGrad]

@MaoTosiFanClub

The NCAA won’t have a choice but to dish out extremely hard penalties. The pressure on them to do so is/will be massive and from all angles.

There is NO, as in Zero chance Miller and Ayton step foot on the court today in Eugene. The University would pay a toll in terms of it’s already ruined brand and reputation that would magnify the entire situation! Miller and Ayton need to be, and will be, dismissed at some point in the day today...
And regarding your inclusion if ASU, do you have any facts to support your claim?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Since I'm being mentioned I guess I'll address everything here, I said the following things regarding the investigation:

1. Whatever NCAA penalty is handed out will be small potatoes.

I still 1000% believe this to be true. Sure the optics are bad and Miller will lose his job but the we're talking a one or two year postseason ban at most and some vacated wins. If the NCAA drops the hammer on every school in the country they essentially destroy a product that nets them and their partners billions of dollars. The FBI may do that for them against their will but the NCAA isn't going to voluntarily be their own executioner. Plus public opinion is overwhelming in thinking players should be compensated so I wouldn't anticipate major NCAA sanctions over relative chump change in a world of millionaires and billionaires. Now exchanges of money tax-free that's a whole other issue but that has nothing to do with the NCAA.

2. Sean Miller is a good basketball coach.

The win-loss records say that and more. Only an idiot or someone with insane expectations would argue otherwise. This scandal of course is going to be a major black eye on that record but people who actually understand the sport (ie the loudest people on this topic on ASFN) can connect the dots and see that everyone (yes, even UCLA and ASU) was doing the same and most coaches/schools will suffer penalties for the same. Miller/Pitino are the first fall guys but most of college basketball and in the not so distant future college football is going to be implicated because this is how college sports has worked for decades and now there's a competent enforcement organization after the money. Watch Miller end up on an NBA bench sooner rather than later.

3. Season isn't a bust

It certainly wasn't when I said that yesterday as Arizona was on their way to a top 10 ranking, another Pac-12 championship, and producing the #1 pick in the draft. Again only an idiot or someone with insane expectations would argue otherwise. Saying 'I told you so' after new information comes out might be tactic with attorneys and TV writers but it's dishonest at best in the real world. I have no idea what the athletic department is planning to do but if Miller is fired, Ayton is sat, and the program self-imposes a ban this year then yes of course it is. But 24 hours ago it certainly wasn't.



To be honest, I really hope they say f- it and go for it all. I really don't have any moral issue with what Miller or Book or Alkins or Ayton were alleged to have done. What Rodriguez was doing was significantly more reprehensible. Miller's actions with the Mason-Pitts issue also significantly worse than this. Ayton and Alkins should be millionaires by now but an archaic system and greedy adults prevent them from doing that so I don't blame them for trying to get what they as skilled adults deserve. Nor do I blame Miller for trying to succeed with the system being what it has been for decades. At the same time there are NCAA rules so if they were broken then you have to pay the consequences.

Ultimately reading the Yahoo report it looks like everyone who has recruited a top 50 player is in some form guilty and the FBI isn't the NCAA so these transactions will be uncovered. If I had to guess the NBA fast-tracks the expanded G League, longer draft, and 2-3 and done rule and the NCAA tries to re-brand basketball like college baseball and hope they can keep up revenues. I don't think it will work personally and the sport along with football get forced into irrelevance or some part of a paid minor league system.

With regards to Arizona my guess is they are forced to hire within the family. Fortunately there's a lot of alums on college and NBA benches so you just hope whoever they pick will be good for whatever is left of major college basketball.

There’s the sanctimonious head in the sand attitude we’ve all come to know and love!

 

[TJ]

@MaoTosiFanClub

The NCAA won’t have a choice but to dish out extremely hard penalties. The pressure on them to do so is/will be massive and from all angles.

There is NO, as in Zero chance Miller and Ayton step foot on the court today in Eugene. The University would pay a toll in terms of it’s already ruined brand and reputation that would magnify the entire situation! Miller and Ayton need to be, and will be, dismissed at some point in the day today...
And regarding your inclusion if ASU, do you have any facts to support your claim?

I don’t have facts or sources, but if I’m ASU, I take a closer look at the Kyree Waker recruitment and wonder why Etop has been spending an inordinate amount of time with the program.

As for Miller et al, I wouldn’t say zero chance. I could see a situation in which Heeke asks for more documentation beyond a sourced report before making a decision and Miller taking a “F.U.” Approach and plays everyone.

 

[Russ Smith]

The reason they shouldn't just play ayton and keep miller is it will just make it worse when the NCAA ultimately hits them. There are consequences to playing players you know are not eligible, see Derrick Rose.

I can agree on Ayton although again, there's a reason a kid THAT good wasn't being recruited by virtually anybody other than Kansas and at the end Arizona. Nobody thought he was really going to play, Kansas was taking the chance, I assume he was getting paid to go there too but maybe not, maybe they figured if nobody steps up and pays him and he has to go to college we might luck out and get him for free. Seems unlikely but the reason he was so lightly recruited is nobody thought the NCAA would clear him.

With Alkins you have literally no leg to stand on, he could have gone pro after last year, he didn't, if he gets punished now it's his fault for not going pro. And remember, Alkins didn't even have to go to arizona, because of his age and his year at a post graduate school(because of his academics) he was NBA draft eligible before he enrolled at ARizona, he COULD have turned pro right out of HS, he chose not to because he wasn't good enough then to get drafted. His issues now are entirely because he and this "cousin" decided to profit from his time in college.

I think players should be paid but I understand why they're not. If you pay everyone 24K a year, there are still going to be kids who demand more under the table and there are going to be schools who pay it. Paying the players doesn't solve the problem wtih the kids, like alkins and ayton, who are going to get paid.

If you read the Yahoo story it says that Under armour paid Apple Jones 10K a month, she is Josh Jackson's mom. at the same time, Adidas was paying her, the article literally says it's not clear why both were paying her. The way it's written it's very clear that Dawkins is saying just because Under armour says she's running his AAU team, let's be real UA is paying her to control her kid, not for coaching the team. That's precisely what Nike did with Bagley paying his dad to "coach" his team, so I'm assuming and hoping that eventually comes to light too.

There are kids, and mostly parents, who are using this is a profit scheme.

Bam Adebayo is on the list and next to his name it says "bad loan." I don't know if it is true but there's speculation that ASM paid him through a friend, who convinced them if they paid him, he'd go to NC State, with Dennis Smith who got over 70K. So they paid him, he picked UK anyways, and ASM considers it a "bad loan." Now maybe that's UK fan spin but it sure wouldn't surprise me at all to find out a kid scammed the agency out of money figuring they can't publicly call me out on it, when I turn pro if I want to I'll pay it back, or I might not.

One last point, it's a guess but I am assuming the reason Sean Miller , Rick Pitino and Miami's coach are the only 3 to have been directly linked to asking for a player to be paid, is because they are likely the only 3 head coaches the FBI have on wiretap doing so. They didn't just pick Pitino and Miller becaues they don't like them, they picked them because they were on tape doing it. that doesn't mean other coaches don't do it too, I'm sure they do, but I'm skeptical the FBI has a bunch more head coaches on tape doing it, if they did, it would be leaked since clearly that's the stuff that the public wants to hear about.

 

[TJ]

There’s the sanctimonious head in the sand attitude we’ve all come to know and love!

Do your have something constructive to add to the conversation, or are you going to keep questioning people’s credibility? How dare people like @MaoTosiFanClub and I provide informed opinions!

 

[Zobaczcie suki]

Un-freakin'-believable. The University of Arizona basketball team only beats ASU this year because they paid six figures to get Ayton on their team. Not good not good at all.

 

[JS22]

Since I'm being mentioned I guess I'll address everything here, I said the following things regarding the investigation:

1. Whatever NCAA penalty is handed out will be small potatoes.

I still 1000% believe this to be true. Sure the optics are bad and Miller will lose his job but the we're talking a one or two year postseason ban at most and some vacated wins. If the NCAA drops the hammer on every school in the country they essentially destroy a product that nets them and their partners billions of dollars. The FBI may do that for them against their will but the NCAA isn't going to voluntarily be their own executioner. Plus public opinion is overwhelming in thinking players should be compensated so I wouldn't anticipate major NCAA sanctions over relative chump change in a world of millionaires and billionaires. Now exchanges of money tax-free that's a whole other issue but that has nothing to do with the NCAA.

2. Sean Miller is a good basketball coach.

The win-loss records say that and more. Only an idiot or someone with insane expectations would argue otherwise. This scandal of course is going to be a major black eye on that record but people who actually understand the sport (ie the loudest people on this topic on ASFN) can connect the dots and see that everyone (yes, even UCLA and ASU) was doing the same and most coaches/schools will suffer penalties for the same. Miller/Pitino are the first fall guys but most of college basketball and in the not so distant future college football is going to be implicated because this is how college sports has worked for decades and now there's a competent enforcement organization after the money. Watch Miller end up on an NBA bench sooner rather than later.

3. Season isn't a bust

It certainly wasn't when I said that yesterday as Arizona was on their way to a top 10 ranking, another Pac-12 championship, and producing the #1 pick in the draft. Again only an idiot or someone with insane expectations would argue otherwise. Saying 'I told you so' after new information comes out might be tactic with attorneys and TV writers but it's dishonest at best in the real world. I have no idea what the athletic department is planning to do but if Miller is fired, Ayton is sat, and the program self-imposes a ban this year then yes of course it is. But 24 hours ago it certainly wasn't.



To be honest, I really hope they say f- it and go for it all. I really don't have any moral issue with what Miller or Book or Alkins or Ayton were alleged to have done. What Rodriguez was doing was significantly more reprehensible. Miller's actions with the Mason-Pitts issue also significantly worse than this. Ayton and Alkins should be millionaires by now but an archaic system and greedy adults prevent them from doing that so I don't blame them for trying to get what they as skilled adults deserve. Nor do I blame Miller for trying to succeed with the system being what it has been for decades. At the same time there are NCAA rules so if they were broken then you have to pay the consequences.

Ultimately reading the Yahoo report it looks like everyone who has recruited a top 50 player is in some form guilty and the FBI isn't the NCAA so these transactions will be uncovered. If I had to guess the NBA fast-tracks the expanded G League, longer draft, and 2-3 and done rule and the NCAA tries to re-brand basketball like college baseball and hope they can keep up revenues. I don't think it will work personally and the sport along with football get forced into irrelevance or some part of a paid minor league system.

With regards to Arizona my guess is they are forced to hire within the family. Fortunately there's a lot of alums on college and NBA benches so you just hope whoever they pick will be good for whatever is left of major college basketball.

I'm gonna go ahead and say that the season is a bust.

Also, wow.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Since I'm being mentioned I guess I'll address everything here, I said the following things regarding the investigation:

1. Whatever NCAA penalty is handed out will be small potatoes.

I still 1000% believe this to be true. Sure the optics are bad and Miller will lose his job but the we're talking a one or two year postseason ban at most and some vacated wins. If the NCAA drops the hammer on every school in the country they essentially destroy a product that nets them and their partners billions of dollars. The FBI may do that for them against their will but the NCAA isn't going to voluntarily be their own executioner. Plus public opinion is overwhelming in thinking players should be compensated so I wouldn't anticipate major NCAA sanctions over relative chump change in a world of millionaires and billionaires. Now exchanges of money tax-free that's a whole other issue but that has nothing to do with the NCAA.

2. Sean Miller is a good basketball coach.

The win-loss records say that and more. Only an idiot or someone with insane expectations would argue otherwise. This scandal of course is going to be a major black eye on that record but people who actually understand the sport (ie the loudest people on this topic on ASFN) can connect the dots and see that everyone (yes, even UCLA and ASU) was doing the same and most coaches/schools will suffer penalties for the same. Miller/Pitino are the first fall guys but most of college basketball and in the not so distant future college football is going to be implicated because this is how college sports has worked for decades and now there's a competent enforcement organization after the money. Watch Miller end up on an NBA bench sooner rather than later.

3. Season isn't a bust

It certainly wasn't when I said that yesterday as Arizona was on their way to a top 10 ranking, another Pac-12 championship, and producing the #1 pick in the draft. Again only an idiot or someone with insane expectations would argue otherwise. Saying 'I told you so' after new information comes out might be tactic with attorneys and TV writers but it's dishonest at best in the real world. I have no idea what the athletic department is planning to do but if Miller is fired, Ayton is sat, and the program self-imposes a ban this year then yes of course it is. But 24 hours ago it certainly wasn't.



To be honest, I really hope they say f- it and go for it all. I really don't have any moral issue with what Miller or Book or Alkins or Ayton were alleged to have done. What Rodriguez was doing was significantly more reprehensible. Miller's actions with the Mason-Pitts issue also significantly worse than this. Ayton and Alkins should be millionaires by now but an archaic system and greedy adults prevent them from doing that so I don't blame them for trying to get what they as skilled adults deserve. Nor do I blame Miller for trying to succeed with the system being what it has been for decades. At the same time there are NCAA rules so if they were broken then you have to pay the consequences.

Ultimately reading the Yahoo report it looks like everyone who has recruited a top 50 player is in some form guilty and the FBI isn't the NCAA so these transactions will be uncovered. If I had to guess the NBA fast-tracks the expanded G League, longer draft, and 2-3 and done rule and the NCAA tries to re-brand basketball like college baseball and hope they can keep up revenues. I don't think it will work personally and the sport along with football get forced into irrelevance or some part of a paid minor league system.

With regards to Arizona my guess is they are forced to hire within the family. Fortunately there's a lot of alums on college and NBA benches so you just hope whoever they pick will be good for whatever is left of major college basketball.

Lol... the season ISNT A BUST?

Ladies and gentlemen, I hereby pronounce Mao the Dude of the Zona Message Board!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Do your have something constructive to add to the conversation, or are you going to keep questioning people’s credibility? How dare people like @MaoTosiFanClub and I provide informed opinions!

Lol.

 

[TJ]

Lol.

A post asking for constructive discussion and the response is “Lol.” That’s rich.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Do your have something constructive to add to the conversation, or are you going to keep questioning people’s credibility? How dare people like @MaoTosiFanClub and I provide informed opinions!

But that’s just it, you keep posing them like you KNOW what’s going to happen and when we cast doubt we were shouted down by you guys. Now it seems that you guys are wrong and you’re doubling down and calling out those of us that were skeptical of your “knowledge” and that’s just hilarious in a sad way.

Here’s my substance: as I’ve said before federal agencies don’t go down rabbit holes too often unless they know there’s meat. Obviously here there’s a whole freaking gourmet meal. Others may have broken these rules too but that is MORE of a reason for the NCAA to come down hard in the schools, coaches and players who have overt evidence come out against them. Arizona is likely going to get slammed. And I think they’ll have a difficult time attracting a big national name again for a long time. Decade. And that span of time, unfortunately, may be the death knell for a program whose entire athletic department seems to be foundering, that’s located in a backwater spot like Tucson. I hope that’s not the case. Arizona hooos has forever been a bright spot for our AZ sports, but it hasn’t encountered anything of the magnitude it faces at present.

I suppose if you’re a homer you just have to downplay the potential impact otherwise how do you deal with this adversity? But I fear you guys aren’t preparing appropriately for what’s to come. It’s like you think because Arizona is involved the entire NCAA is suddenly going to recognize that players should be paid and change their entire structure. Not going to happen. The NCAA will have tremendous egg on their face for this but if anything I suspect they become an even more strict organization. This will likely he a circling the wagons experience for them.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Since I'm being mentioned I guess I'll address everything here, I said the following things regarding the investigation:

1. Whatever NCAA penalty is handed out will be small potatoes.

I still 1000% believe this to be true. Sure the optics are bad and Miller will lose his job but the we're talking a one or two year postseason ban at most and some vacated wins. If the NCAA drops the hammer on every school in the country they essentially destroy a product that nets them and their partners billions of dollars. The FBI may do that for them against their will but the NCAA isn't going to voluntarily be their own executioner. Plus public opinion is overwhelming in thinking players should be compensated so I wouldn't anticipate major NCAA sanctions over relative chump change in a world of millionaires and billionaires. Now exchanges of money tax-free that's a whole other issue but that has nothing to do with the NCAA.

2. Sean Miller is a good basketball coach.

The win-loss records say that and more. Only an idiot or someone with insane expectations would argue otherwise. This scandal of course is going to be a major black eye on that record but people who actually understand the sport (ie the loudest people on this topic on ASFN) can connect the dots and see that everyone (yes, even UCLA and ASU) was doing the same and most coaches/schools will suffer penalties for the same. Miller/Pitino are the first fall guys but most of college basketball and in the not so distant future college football is going to be implicated because this is how college sports has worked for decades and now there's a competent enforcement organization after the money. Watch Miller end up on an NBA bench sooner rather than later.

3. Season isn't a bust

It certainly wasn't when I said that yesterday as Arizona was on their way to a top 10 ranking, another Pac-12 championship, and producing the #1 pick in the draft. Again only an idiot or someone with insane expectations would argue otherwise. Saying 'I told you so' after new information comes out might be tactic with attorneys and TV writers but it's dishonest at best in the real world. I have no idea what the athletic department is planning to do but if Miller is fired, Ayton is sat, and the program self-imposes a ban this year then yes of course it is. But 24 hours ago it certainly wasn't.



To be honest, I really hope they say f- it and go for it all. I really don't have any moral issue with what Miller or Book or Alkins or Ayton were alleged to have done. What Rodriguez was doing was significantly more reprehensible. Miller's actions with the Mason-Pitts issue also significantly worse than this. Ayton and Alkins should be millionaires by now but an archaic system and greedy adults prevent them from doing that so I don't blame them for trying to get what they as skilled adults deserve. Nor do I blame Miller for trying to succeed with the system being what it has been for decades. At the same time there are NCAA rules so if they were broken then you have to pay the consequences.

Ultimately reading the Yahoo report it looks like everyone who has recruited a top 50 player is in some form guilty and the FBI isn't the NCAA so these transactions will be uncovered. If I had to guess the NBA fast-tracks the expanded G League, longer draft, and 2-3 and done rule and the NCAA tries to re-brand basketball like college baseball and hope they can keep up revenues. I don't think it will work personally and the sport along with football get forced into irrelevance or some part of a paid minor league system.

With regards to Arizona my guess is they are forced to hire within the family. Fortunately there's a lot of alums on college and NBA benches so you just hope whoever they pick will be good for whatever is left of major college basketball.

You must speak a different language from me. This season is POSTER CHILD for bust. From title favorite to the potential death of the program? Which instrument did you play on the deck of the titanic?

Nothing to see here, move along, move along.

 

[Cheesebeef]

A post asking for constructive discussion and the response is “Lol.” That’s rich.

Hey TJ... After years of acting like a sanctimonious wad, you don’t get to reset the bar for discussion after you fall flat on your face.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

A post asking for constructive discussion and the response is “Lol.” That’s rich.

I think he was laughing at the use of the word “informed” which is an indicator that you STILL seem to think you guys know better . . .

 

[TJ]

Almost as rich as you continually trying to make people look like fools for thinking something stunk in Tucson. Don’t dish that crap out unless you’re willing to take it when you’re proven the fool.

You becoming a delicate flower now is laughable.

Again, got something constructive to add to the conversation, or are you going to continue with this diatribe? If not, bow out.

 

[TJ]

I think he was laughing at the use of the word “informed” which is an indicator that you STILL seem to think you guys know better . . .

Well...we do. Sorry if we don’t rely on sheer emotion and pessimism to formulate all of our opinions.

 

[TJ]

Hey TJ... After years of acting like a sanctimonious wad, you don’t get to reset the bar for discussion after you fall flat on your face.

I can when you can’t contribute to a conversation. All I ask is for you to be constructive and you haven’t done that yet except for whine. If this is too much for me to ask, then kindly bow out. The ASU fans have contributed more than you. That’s saying a lot.

 

[ajcardfan]

Well...we do. Sorry if we don’t rely on sheer emotion and pessimism to formulate all of our opinions.

No, you pull them from where the sun never shines. This program should've been hammered when they covered up gun crimes under Lute Olson. It took a LOOONNGGG time, but you self-righteous butthats are finally getting your rears handed to you.

 

[Chaplin]

No, you pull them from where the sun never shines. This program should've been hammered when they covered up gun crimes under Lute Olson. It took a LOOONNGGG time, but you self-righteous butthats are finally getting your rears handed to you.

You’re really a horrible ASU fan aren’t you?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Well...we do. Sorry if we don’t rely on sheer emotion and pessimism to formulate all of our opinions.

No you don’t. You apparently have a line to miscommunication from people and organizations whose motive is to shine sunshine up peoples backsides hoping they will buy it. You’ve been wrong about what was going to happen or come to light at every step along the way with the fbi investigation. You’re a shill for the university at this point. Maybe, just maybe, try to take a step back and view the facts and circumstances with a critical eye. If this were a program with which you weren’t emotionally attached you would expect the hammer. And you would have from the beginning. If you didn’t I couldn’t dismiss it as homerism I’d just have to chalk it up to . . . I don’t even know what to chalk it up to.

This isn’t a singular instance. This isn’t a single player. This isn’t just a rogue assistant coach. This is the very definition of institutional malfeasance. And to argue otherwise, or downplay it, or to try to redirect the argument to (a) players should be paid, (b) everyone else was doing it, or (c) any other non-Arizona related argument is pretty lame. They did the crimes. They are going to have to do the time. As I’ve aaid, and Cheese has said, we are lifelong Cats fans. We take no pleasure in what’s happening to the program (although cheese is happy to see Miller go - in not a big fan of his but didn’t want to see him go . . . until now. Sorry if I’m a stickler for rules. I was raised by good people and I believe in the importance of rules - and this position has only become strengthened as a parent who has to explain the importance of rules and rule breakers to my children). But the “we know better than you” attitude that you and Mao chose throughout this left a bad taste in mouth. And the fact that you guys are tripling and quadrupling down on that attitude throughout this is really freaking lame. If the university takes the same tack you guys are they’re swimming towards the death penalty.