Miller once again does it again!

[TJ]

Gotta believe this is just the tip of the iceburg regarding decommits and future non-commits!

Arizona recruiting will be dormant for a few years.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Seems that Heeke and Miller are pushing all of their chips into the pile. Doesn’t look smart unless they know something we don’t.

 

[GatorAZ]

Here we go Miller is fighting this. Wonder if ESPN gets nervous about jumping the gun.

 

[gmabel830]

Miller officially not coaching, and Ayton is playing tonight

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[TJ]

Here we go Miller is fighting this. Wonder if ESPN gets nervous about jumping the gun.

Will be interesting to see how far Miller is willing to take this. A lawsuit may mean that ESPN has to give up the tapes of the wiretapped call. If it can’t produce, ESPN could be in a lot of trouble.

 

[AZCrazy]

It will be nothing. Arizona will get a 1 or 2 year postseason ban and vacate some wins, that's pretty much it. Miller won't coach at Arizona again but there was a good chance due to family issues that was going to be the case next season regardless. Arizona is still going to win the Pac-12 and DeAndre Ayton will likely be the #1 pick in the draft. Their success going forward will be dependent on who is going to be coaching their team next season like it is at every NCAA program.

People like Ouchie and Cheese at their core just really don't have any depth to the conversations they are engaging in on this board. To their credit they're well-educated and knowledgeable in many areas, but the depth of their knowledge is minimal and this case is exactly that. They are hot take, cap lock, sports talk radio mouth breathers. And when Arizona is off the hook in a couple years and Miller is on an NBA bench if I'm still around maybe I'll remind them of all this.

It's easy this morning and last night to read the headlines and surmise that the world is crumbling but if you actually follow college sports you know that these things always blow very quickly because I have seen countless other programs go through worse and came out as good or better on the other side pretty quickly. It's easy to mock and throw stones but if you really understand college sports you know that everyone is engaging in similar activities. And you also know the entire thing is a sham but for love of university or sport, you watch anyways. What's harder is to connect dots, understand nuance, and have a larger perspective about a subject.

Really it's just pathetic. It's pathetic there is a system in place where an adult has to resort to borderline illegal activities just to get less than 10% of their open market value. It's pathetic Miller can't keep his house in order both at home and in the office (this refers to the Pitts thing as much as the FBI). It's pathetic people are getting dragged through the mud for a player getting paid when those casting the stones almost universally agree the same players should get paid. It's pathetic people can't read an article, do some research, and realize that once you get past the headlines it's likely your favorite team is probably in trouble too.

Just remember as long as Arizona fans pack McKale every night and support the program we will be fine.

Oh, they'll be okay after a short bit. But the problem is the system, and every major college is ass-deep into it. UofA is no different from any other contending program, and cleaner than many. The problem is coming up with a system that works. You may say to just pay the players, but that instantly sets up a professional system that now only a few colleges can compete and pay top dollar, and everyone else is an also ran. Instant bidding war for every player - they might as well go pro. Virtually every public school is completely underwater with their budget, and all these players now getting big dollars will have that money come directly from tuition increases and taxes on the general public. Or, they will be a losing program that everyone wants to bark about. The money can't just come from game revenue, that money is already used to fund the entire athletic program and the university's general fund as it is.

 

[GatorAZ]

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[Cheesebeef]

It will be nothing. Arizona will get a 1 or 2 year postseason ban and vacate some wins, that's pretty much it. Miller won't coach at Arizona again but there was a good chance due to family issues that was going to be the case next season regardless. Arizona is still going to win the Pac-12 and DeAndre Ayton will likely be the #1 pick in the draft. Their success going forward will be dependent on who is going to be coaching their team next season like it is at every NCAA program.

People like Ouchie and Cheese at their core just really don't have any depth to the conversations they are engaging in on this board. To their credit they're well-educated and knowledgeable in many areas, but the depth of their knowledge is minimal and this case is exactly that. They are hot take, cap lock, sports talk radio mouth breathers. And when Arizona is off the hook in a couple years and Miller is on an NBA bench if I'm still around maybe I'll remind them of all this.

It's easy this morning and last night to read the headlines and surmise that the world is crumbling but if you actually follow college sports you know that these things always blow very quickly because I have seen countless other programs go through worse and came out as good or better on the other side pretty quickly. It's easy to mock and throw stones but if you really understand college sports you know that everyone is engaging in similar activities. And you also know the entire thing is a sham but for love of university or sport, you watch anyways. What's harder is to connect dots, understand nuance, and have a larger perspective about a subject.

Really it's just pathetic. It's pathetic there is a system in place where an adult has to resort to borderline illegal activities just to get less than 10% of their open market value. It's pathetic Miller can't keep his house in order both at home and in the office (this refers to the Pitts thing as much as the FBI). It's pathetic people are getting dragged through the mud for a player getting paid when those casting the stones almost universally agree the same players should get paid. It's pathetic people can't read an article, do some research, and realize that once you get past the headlines it's likely your favorite team is probably in trouble too.

Just remember as long as Arizona fans pack McKale every night and support the program we will be fine.

Holy cow. This post reaches Trump level denial and douchebaggery. Impressive.

Signed,

The Mouthbreather

 

[Lefty]

Lemon Fresco‏@chrismlemon

Replying to @JasonScheer

Espn wants to be clear that they or their reporter have not claimed Coach Miller gave Ayton any money. Allegation and speculation from wire tape at this point. DickyV at the same time coincidently is not calling for his firing but “wants proof”. Haha pretty funny stuff.

 

[TJ]

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Lemon Fresco‏@chrismlemon

Replying to @JasonScheer

Espn wants to be clear that they or their reporter have not claimed Coach Miller gave Ayton any money. Allegation and speculation from wire tape at this point. DickyV at the same time coincidently is not calling for his firing but “wants proof”. Haha pretty funny stuff.

have a feeling this poo show is just beginning. ESPN walking back information is not a good look.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

have a feeling this **** show is just beginning. ESPN walking back information is not a good look.

They sure have done a lot of damage to our program though

 

[GatorAZ]

have a feeling this **** show is just beginning. ESPN walking back information is not a good look.

They also misreported Miller being fired...

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[TJ]

They also misreported Miller being fired...

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“I impregnated your wife”

“WTF?”

“Sorry, fam. That wasn’t her. My bad.”

 

[MrYeahBut]

I only came to read this thread because of what I heard about the accusations against Miller... So my view as an outsider is not worth much, but man you guys are hating on each other more than I've seen anywhere else on the forums for the 16 years I've been a member.

Just my $.02

 

[Russ Smith]

Well...we do. Sorry if we don’t rely on sheer emotion and pessimism to formulate all of our opinions.

not my battle but huh? I don't think anybody on this board can say they know better. Yesterday we were all debating this including an insider that everyone says knows stuff and not 2 hours later, ESPN drops the bombshell that the FBI has Miller on tape. NOT one person that I'm aware of saw that coming. Not that long ago people were saying the insider was telling UA fans that Miller might be gone after this year, not because he'd be fired, but because he's fed up with the pac 12 picking on him, and UA doing nothing about it, and other issues. not one word about oh by the way, even though the FBI tipped him off in advance he still managed to get himself on a wiretap discussing money with an agent

I would have never in a million years predicted Miller might do that and I've been saying for awhile I thought he was dirty. You don't get Kobi Simmons out of nowhere and then create some story that's he's a longtime family friend of Book, you don't get Ferguson to bail on Alabama, you don't get Alkins and Ayton and be all over Sexton, Bowen, Nassir Little, Cherry and just about every other kid in the last 2 classes who we know has been linked one way or another now, by accident. A couple of years ago Brian Snow said on Scout the 3 riskiest kids in the recruiting class are Josh Jackson, Rawle Alkins, and Terrance Ferguson, UA got 2 of them and nearly got the 3rd. Now we know Jackson was being paid by 2 different shoe companies(not Nike), Alkins got paid, and I've heard repeatedly Ferguson got paid twice, by the guy Alabama fired, and by whoever steered him to Arizona(likely Nike). You don't get involved in that many shady recruitments if you're not cheating.

Lots of otehr people were cheating too.

I hope all of it comes out on all of them, and they do away with the shamateurism

 

[Russ Smith]

Will be interesting to see how far Miller is willing to take this. A lawsuit may mean that ESPN has to give up the tapes of the wiretapped call. If it can’t produce, ESPN could be in a lot of trouble.

If Miller was going to sue because he knows he's innocent, that lawsuit would be public already.

One of the pundits on FS1 said today maybe the reason Miller isn't coaching but Ayton is playing is Miller knows Ayton never got the money, because Miller kept it for himself. He was joking but given that's what Augustine did with nassir Little and how crazy the whole story is getting, I actually wouldn't be shocked if it was something like that. Miller guarantees Arizona they don't need to suspend Ayton he never got the money.

 

[Russ Smith]

have a feeling this **** show is just beginning. ESPN walking back information is not a good look.

That sounds awfully familiar to me where have I seen that before? Oh yeah a few days ago when you were pretty sure the FBI case was falling apart due to their incompetence and nothing was going to happen other than maybe UA self imposing a couple of lost scholarships.

ESPN is NOT walking it back, Jay Bilas called Miller a dirty cheater on national tv, he ALWAYS defends coaches. Seth Greenberg said I've known Sean since he was a 6 year old at camp doing dribbling exhibitions, I'm deeply disappointed in his actions today and he made it clear he was very confident the ESPN report was correct.

Sure they COULD be wrong but they are definitely NOT walking the story back. It's been on ESPN all day, and for the most part they've been speculating on Miller being fired eventually not that he's going to be exonerated. It wouldnt' surprise me one bit if Ayton never got the money, maybe they were smart enough to delay payment until he turns pro, maybe someone else got it as a middleman, like the guy in San Diego that was payign for Ayton and his family for the first few years they lived here before moving to arizona.

Note saying it didn't come from the FBI doesn't mean it's not true it means the leak didnt' come from the FBI so it probably came from Dawkins indirectly, that doesn't mean the FBI doesn't actually have a tape of it they just hadn't made it public yet

 

[Cheesebeef]

OHHHHH MY GOD THAT AYTON DUNK

 

[AZ Native]

I only came to read this thread because of what I heard about the accusations against Miller... So my view as an outsider is not worth much, but man you guys are hating on each other more than I've seen anywhere else on the forums for the 16 years I've been a member.

Just my $.02

The internet will be the death of civility. I miss the days of civil discussions in person as opposed to the crap spewed from behind the keyboard with no accountability.

 

[TJ]

That sounds awfully familiar to me where have I seen that before? Oh yeah a few days ago when you were pretty sure the FBI case was falling apart due to their incompetence and nothing was going to happen other than maybe UA self imposing a couple of lost scholarships.

ESPN is NOT walking it back, Jay Bilas called Miller a dirty cheater on national tv, he ALWAYS defends coaches. Seth Greenberg said I've known Sean since he was a 6 year old at camp doing dribbling exhibitions, I'm deeply disappointed in his actions today and he made it clear he was very confident the ESPN report was correct.

Sure they COULD be wrong but they are definitely NOT walking the story back. It's been on ESPN all day, and for the most part they've been speculating on Miller being fired eventually not that he's going to be exonerated. It wouldnt' surprise me one bit if Ayton never got the money, maybe they were smart enough to delay payment until he turns pro, maybe someone else got it as a middleman, like the guy in San Diego that was payign for Ayton and his family for the first few years they lived here before moving to arizona.

Note saying it didn't come from the FBI doesn't mean it's not true it means the leak didnt' come from the FBI so it probably came from Dawkins indirectly, that doesn't mean the FBI doesn't actually have a tape of it they just hadn't made it public yet

Man, you misread my post big time.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

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Is it confirmed anywhere else that Mark Emmert was speaking about this publicly?

Miller is maintaining his innocence. This is getting interesting.

 

[TJ]

Romar better recognize that Ayton is the best player on the court moving forward. Lack of touches down the stretch was killer. I get all the distractions and such, but we had that game.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It will be nothing. Arizona will get a 1 or 2 year postseason ban and vacate some wins, that's pretty much it. Miller won't coach at Arizona again but there was a good chance due to family issues that was going to be the case next season regardless. Arizona is still going to win the Pac-12 and DeAndre Ayton will likely be the #1 pick in the draft. Their success going forward will be dependent on who is going to be coaching their team next season like it is at every NCAA program.

People like Ouchie and Cheese at their core just really don't have any depth to the conversations they are engaging in on this board. To their credit they're well-educated and knowledgeable in many areas, but the depth of their knowledge is minimal and this case is exactly that. They are hot take, cap lock, sports talk radio mouth breathers. And when Arizona is off the hook in a couple years and Miller is on an NBA bench if I'm still around maybe I'll remind them of all this.

It's easy this morning and last night to read the headlines and surmise that the world is crumbling but if you actually follow college sports you know that these things always blow very quickly because I have seen countless other programs go through worse and came out as good or better on the other side pretty quickly. It's easy to mock and throw stones but if you really understand college sports you know that everyone is engaging in similar activities. And you also know the entire thing is a sham but for love of university or sport, you watch anyways. What's harder is to connect dots, understand nuance, and have a larger perspective about a subject.

Really it's just pathetic. It's pathetic there is a system in place where an adult has to resort to borderline illegal activities just to get less than 10% of their open market value. It's pathetic Miller can't keep his house in order both at home and in the office (this refers to the Pitts thing as much as the FBI). It's pathetic people are getting dragged through the mud for a player getting paid when those casting the stones almost universally agree the same players should get paid. It's pathetic people can't read an article, do some research, and realize that once you get past the headlines it's likely your favorite team is probably in trouble too.

Just remember as long as Arizona fans pack McKale every night and support the program we will be fine.

Way to make a personal attack jackass. This far we’ve addressed the substance of your posts and the accuracy or lack thereof. But you need to take to calling names.

I’m watching all of this unfold and as I receive information I make legitimate comments. You try to downplay everything, all the time. I used to think you were a reasonable poster. Used to.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Will be interesting to see how far Miller is willing to take this. A lawsuit may mean that ESPN has to give up the tapes of the wiretapped call. If it can’t produce, ESPN could be in a lot of trouble.

A TON of trouble.

 

[GatorAZ]

That sounds awfully familiar to me where have I seen that before? Oh yeah a few days ago when you were pretty sure the FBI case was falling apart due to their incompetence and nothing was going to happen other than maybe UA self imposing a couple of lost scholarships.

ESPN is NOT walking it back, Jay Bilas called Miller a dirty cheater on national tv, he ALWAYS defends coaches. Seth Greenberg said I've known Sean since he was a 6 year old at camp doing dribbling exhibitions, I'm deeply disappointed in his actions today and he made it clear he was very confident the ESPN report was correct.

Sure they COULD be wrong but they are definitely NOT walking the story back. It's been on ESPN all day, and for the most part they've been speculating on Miller being fired eventually not that he's going to be exonerated. It wouldnt' surprise me one bit if Ayton never got the money, maybe they were smart enough to delay payment until he turns pro, maybe someone else got it as a middleman, like the guy in San Diego that was payign for Ayton and his family for the first few years they lived here before moving to arizona.

Note saying it didn't come from the FBI doesn't mean it's not true it means the leak didnt' come from the FBI so it probably came from Dawkins indirectly, that doesn't mean the FBI doesn't actually have a tape of it they just hadn't made it public yet

I was surprised Bilas was so fired up given his defense of Pitino. Since it was an ESPN story it makes sense though. Laphonso Ellis seemed to be the only guy who called it speculation and that he’ll wait for it to play out.