Missed extra point, Dumb fake FG and EDGE

[az1965]

Arguing about the fake FG is a moot point IMO... we lost by giving up two TD's due to extremely poor tackling. That is the root of the problem for this team that will come bite us game after game... not the fake FG that happens once in a century.

 

[Shane]

Don't forget about the two critical turnovers. Both were killers. Also Gandy's holding killed us too.

Thats why I blamed Edge.

 

[Osbern61]

I never got a good luck at Edge's drop on the screen pass that looked perfectly set up. Was it that easy a catch?

 

[Pariah]

The fake FG: I'm cool with that play at home, not on the road. I think the Cards needed (and need) to do everything they can to play within themselves on the road. Play it safe, take points when you can get them...especially with as well as they were moving the ball.

 

[Cheesebeef]

bottom line the play was there to be made and Johnson lofted the ball.

he's a punter, not a QB. And it was still 6 yards short of the first. We didn't even get close to picking it up.4 and 16 and you have a noodle armed punter throwing and you're begging for disaster.

 

[Matt L]

Edge didn't tip a ball that got picked but glad you watched the game. Geesh!

I could have swore that the intercepted ball in the endzone was tipped by our running back. If it wasn't Edge that tipped the ball I apologize.

 

[PJ1]

I could have swore that the intercepted ball in the endzone was tipped by our running back. If it wasn't Edge that tipped the ball I apologize.

It was tipped by Arrington and although a high throw it was catchable in my opinion. Warner may have wanted to throw that one a little bit sooner also.

 

[az1965]

That interception sucked the life out of the team... we moved so well into the end zone by making great pass plays and came up not only empty from the end zone but gave up a huge run back.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Shane your wrong!!! The play was there for a 1st down and probably a TD. Execution by the punter keep the play from working. Johnson threw the ball like a schoolgirl causing Tuman to have to wait on the ball and thus get caught by a defender coming from the other side of the field.

do you not understand that dirk is a punter? not a pro qb? he threw the ball like he throws the ball! and i'm pretty sure that whis knows dirk isn't a qb, but he put his trust in that punter to make a throw that would pick up 16 yards?!? stupid. it's just stupid.

 

[PJ1]

That interception sucked the life out of the team... we moved so well into the end zone by making great pass plays and came up not only empty from the end zone but gave up a huge run back.

It made you feel sick as we really had Carolina on the ropes on that drive.

 

[Buckybird]

do you not understand that dirk is a punter? not a pro qb? he threw the ball like he throws the ball! and i'm pretty sure that whis knows dirk isn't a qb, but he put his trust in that punter to make a throw that would pick up 16 yards?!? stupid. it's just stupid.

Do you think that was the first pass he has thrown? I gurantee you that play has been practiced over and over. Obviously Johnson has proved to Wiz he could make the throw. The play was there to work!!!

 

[Pariah]

Do you think that was the first pass he has thrown? I gurantee you that play has been practiced over and over. Obviously Johnson has proved to Wiz he could make the throw. The play was there to work!!!

I think 7 out of 10 times the play works. We had a few things working against us, though. One was the speed of Gamble (was that who it was?)--he came from the opposite end of the field when a lot of times he'd be rushing the kick. The second thing we had working against us was that it was on the road. I'd much rather see tnat play run at home.

 

[Buckybird]

Bottom line Johnson's pass to Tuman sucked or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[red desert]

Are why we lost this game.

That's exactly how I feel about today's game. Exactly!!

 

[Cheesebeef]

Bottom line Johnson's pass to Tuman sucked or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

bottom line is a punter's pass on the run is almost always gonna suck.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think he went for the fake because he knows Rackers is a head case and probably would have missed after making one that didn't count. That's also may be why Fox called a TO in that situation. I don't think that play cost the game. It was a heckuva play by a rookie(Godfrey) to stop Tuman. THe guy came from the other side of the field.

 

[D-Dogg]

How on earth is it a good idea to call a play to a guy who couldn't make the play?

Thing is, the play worked as designed. The TE was wide open, and the punter hit him with an accurate if less than powerful throw, which is all that you can really expect from a punter. It worked... It just wasn't equipped to pick up the yards it needed to. Thus, it was a terrible call in that situation. It's like taking a two point shot from the field in basketball when you're down by three with no time on the clock.

Oh please, the play was set up well and he fell a few yards short. It worked, it caught them by surprise but we didn't get enough yards to get it done. It wasn't like the ball was knocked down or they were anticipating it. The guy was open, had the ball in open field and got stopped early. That's football. If he breaks a tackle, he probably scores, and definitely gets the first down.

Hindsight is 20/20. It had NO effect on the outcome of the game. It didn't make us tackle worse.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think he went for the fake because he knows Rackers is a head case and probably would have missed after making one that didn't count. That's also may be why Fox called a TO in that situation.

i've got to say, the thought crossed my mind. I have NEVER seen a FG "iced" when it wasn't at the end of a game or even end of the half.

 

[D-Dogg]

The fake FG: I'm cool with that play at home, not on the road. I think the Cards needed (and need) to do everything they can to play within themselves on the road. Play it safe, take points when you can get them...especially with as well as they were moving the ball.

I think this is a valid point. I don't think that the play itself was bad...it was set up well, executed ok and caught them off guard. But on the road, it is a good idea to take the points when available.

I don't trust Rackers though, so that probably plays into my thoughts on the matter.

 

[D-Dogg]

It was tipped by Arrington and although a high throw it was catchable in my opinion. Warner may have wanted to throw that one a little bit sooner also.

Wasn't catchable by anyone other than Larry who has the size and hops to bring that down.

Terrible throw by Warner to the shortest guy on the field. That was all on Warner...he earned that INT.

 

[D-Dogg]

It was a heckuva play by a rookie(Godfrey) to stop Tuman. THe guy came from the other side of the field.

See, that's what I think should be the takeaway from this. Not that the play itself was dumb, or sucked, or whatever. The play was there...we had an open man, hit him and he had open field to work with. In football, you can't ask for much more than that. The defensive player simply made an outstanding play, coming from across the field to ruin our fun. He overachieved, IMO. We didn't underachieve.

 

[artp]

With 4th and 16, I think it was a bad call. The execution wasn't perfect, but its a Punter.

 

[ajcardfan]

He overachieved, IMO. We didn't underachieve.

IMO, he did what he was supposed to do. He's standing up, three yards off the LOS, to protect against that kind of play.

 

[D-Dogg]

IMO, he did what he was supposed to do. He's standing up, three yards off the LOS, to protect against that kind of play.

And he got beat, and recovered enough to save the play.

The play was there. The guy was open. They weren't expecting it.

We simply failed. That's all there is to it. If it would have succeeded, there would have been tons of comments about Whis' big balls of steel and how that move on the road took the crowd out of it and swung momentum our way.

People rarely remember when the gamble pays off. They always remember when it fails.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Oh please, the play was set up well and he fell a few yards short. It worked, it caught them by surprise but we didn't get enough yards to get it done. It wasn't like the ball was knocked down or they were anticipating it. The guy was open, had the ball in open field and got stopped early. That's football. If he breaks a tackle, he probably scores, and definitely gets the first down.

Hindsight is 20/20. It had NO effect on the outcome of the game. It didn't make us tackle worse.

he was a good 6 yards short. you make it sound like it was close. it wasn't. and he wasn't close to breaking a tackle. he was easily brought down. the play didn't have a chance with who was running it with the down and distance, and i'm pretty sure whis knew all of those factors and still gambled away those 3 points. bad, stupid coaching move. cutesy. fech.