Mvp

[TJ]

Yeah, we get it, you're a hater, point taken. You can say whatever you want about Kobe's arrogance, or make your childish little rape jokes, but the bottom line is that Kobe is a deserving MVP. Is CP3 deserving as well? Of course he is, usually there are 2-3 deserving players every year, but only one guy wins it. This year, it happened to be Kobe, get over it. I realize you're still busy crying over the Suns and being a childish hater who thinks Rape is a joke, but when you grow up for a second and look at the numbers and what Kobe's done for his team, you'll realize that arrogant jerk or not, he's deserving of the title.

Kobe is a good player, but unfortunately for him, someone else always stands out and has a better season. Whether it be Nash, Shaq, Kobe, Nowitzki, etc. The ONLY reason Kobe is winning it this year is that he has not won it yet. The award is completely subjective, which makes it absurd. Take last season for example. Steve Nash had a much better season than Nowitzki, but a majority of the people who vote for the award were interviewed and when asked why they didnt vote for Nash, the reason given was that "we just feel that Nash shouldn't be shown in the same light as Michael Jordan and Larry Bird."

As for this year, you can make an argument for two players winning the award before Kobe: CP3 and LeBron. Both had much better, more well-rounded seasons and were completely snubbed. A lot of it was marketing too. Had CP3 or LeBron been in L.A., they would be unanimously chosen. And speaking of childish, who was the whiny bitch who kept complaining about his teammates and wanting to leave LA?

And BTW, while I do respect you on the Cards board, you gotta understand you are in hostile territory when you are a Laker fan entering the Suns board. We do not like the Lakers. We do not like Kobe. And passionate fans, such as myself, will use any tactics to insult the competition, and vice-versa. Get used to it. Its called a "rivalry." I lived in enemy territory (Los Angeles) for three years before moving back to Phoenix, and got the rough treatment I deserved for being a Suns fan. As a matter of fact, I almost threw down with a Laker fan in Staples center when they were playing the Suns. Bottom line: if you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen!!!

 

[Darth Llama]

And BTW, while I do respect you on the Cards board, you gotta understand you are in hostile territory when you are a Laker fan entering the Suns board. We do not like the Lakers. We do not like Kobe. And passionate fans, such as myself, will use any tactics to insult the competition, and vice-versa. Get used to it. Its called a "rivalry." I lived in enemy territory (Los Angeles) for three years before moving back to Phoenix, and got the rough treatment I deserved for being a Suns fan. As a matter of fact, I almost threw down with a Laker fan in Staples center when they were playing the Suns. Bottom line: if you cant take the heat, get out of the kitchen!!!

You call it what you want dude, but good sportsmanship is for more then just the players. I understand you smack talking the Lakers, I expect that from a Suns fan, just as I smack talk the Suns from time to time. That's not only cool but it's expected. The only part I object to is you finding the Rape issue as a joke. I don't find that funny, and in my opinion it's bush league to go there. It's not a slam against you, you're a passionate fan, and I would bet good money that you're a good dude. I don't dislike you at all, but I find it low class to play the 'rape card,' that's all. I'm all in for some smack talk, but lets keep it to the game, and lets keep it friendly, that's all I ask. I respect you and your team..

Even though they suck.

 

[Covert Rain]

Amare has been in the league 6 years, I have to think if he hasn't learned to play defense yet, he's not going to. I know he's young, but he's been in the league long enough now that I don't really see it happening. If he does do as you say though, he'll definitely move from "good" to "great."

That's crap. Show me one member of the staff on Phoenix who knows squat about defense let alone teaches it. Besides, he has improved every aspect of his game he said he would work on. Now he just needs a coaching staff who knows how to teach defense to help him.

PS I agree Kobe got it because he has not won it. I think he is a legit candidate ever single year. However, CP is the MVP in IMO. Nobody is more valuable to their team that CP because of what he does in every aspect on the floor for his team.

 

[Darth Llama]

I honestly feel that Kobe and CP3 are equally deserving. I have no argument against either of them for MVP. In the end, I think it came down to team record. Lakers got the #1 seed, so Kobe got MVP. CP3 is a great player, and a deserving MVP, I will never argue that.

Both players deserved it, but only one wins it.

 

[cobbler]

As for this year, you can make an argument for two players winning the award before Kobe: CP3 and LeBron. Both had much better, more well-rounded seasons and were completely snubbed. A lot of it was marketing too. Had CP3 or LeBron been in L.A., they would be unanimously chosen. And speaking of childish, who was the whiny bitch who kept complaining about his teammates and wanting to leave LA?

Bt that logic then you can say Kobe was snubbed in 2005-2006 when Nash got his 2nd. Clearly he had a season for the ages, 81 pt game, something like 8 to 10 50 pts games etc. But they said no, because the team wasnt superior enough. Pretty much similar to Lebron this year. As you say, its all subjective. Any of the 3 were deserving and you could add Garnett to the mix. I would have no problem if any of them were chosen, but to say they were snubbed like it was just "given" to Kobe is inaccurate in my opinion.

 

[cobbler]

That's crap. Show me one member of the staff on Phoenix who knows squat about defense let alone teaches it. Besides, he has improved every aspect of his game he said he would work on. Now he just needs a coaching staff who knows how to teach defense to help him.

PS I agree Kobe got it because he has not won it. I think he is a legit candidate ever single year. However, CP is the MVP in IMO. Nobody is more valuable to their team that CP because of what he does in every aspect on the floor for his team.

I can see your logic Steel but wouldnt you agree that a true PG would have the advantage from the assist/playmaking aspect and a SG would have the advantage from a scoring point of view in which they both excelled?

I wouldnt have been screaming if CP3 won it. I think though, if your 50/50 as a lot of people say they were, then the last week where the Lakers took the conference title broke the tie. If even after that, you are still 50/50... then do you not give it to the guy thats been there consistantly over the last 5 years as opposed to the guy who just broke through?

Im not saying you were 50/50....just asking the question since so many said they were on the fence. I really dont believe it was given as a lifetime acheivement.

 

[Joe L]

I can see your logic Steel but wouldnt you agree that a true PG would have the advantage from the assist/playmaking aspect and a SG would have the advantage from a scoring point of view in which they both excelled?

I wouldnt have been screaming if CP3 won it. I think though, if your 50/50 as a lot of people say they were, the the last week where the Lakers took the conference title broke the tie. If even after that, you are still 50/50... then do you not give it to the guy thats been there consistantly over the last 5 years as opposed to the guy who just broke through?

Im not saying you were 50/50....just asking the question since so many said they were on the fence. I really dont believe it was given as a lifetime acheivement.

I can see YOUR logic and you are right in that Kobe isn't the PG but he handles the ball as much if not more than Fisher.

again, you do not EVER give the MVP to someone based on what they did years before. That is called an achievement award.

Kobe won the award because they ended the season on a higher note than CP3 & the Hornets.

 

[cobbler]

I can see YOUR logic and you are right in that Kobe isn't the PG but he handles the ball as much if not more than Fisher.

again, you do not EVER give the MVP to someone based on what they did years before. That is called an achievement award.

Kobe won the award because they ended the season on a higher note than CP3 & the Hornets.

No argument here. I totally agree. My saying that I would give it to the guy whos been there longer was only a determining factor if you had it 50/50. A tiebreaker.

It's my opinion as i said that kobe won it with the last week victory over the hornets and getting the best record. I really honestly dont think it was given to him cause he was due.

btw... who is that in your avatar?

 

[Joe L]

No argument here. I totally agree. My saying that I would give it to the guy whos been there longer was only a determining factor if you had it 50/50. A tiebreaker.

It's my opinion as i said that kobe won it with the last week victory over the hornets and getting the best record. I really honestly dont think it was given to him cause he was due.

btw... who is that in your avatar?

Gotcha! I agree then.

Oh, it's Bono during the half-time show during the Superbowl (Pats & Rams) right after 9/11.

 

[cobbler]

Gotcha! I agree then.

Oh, it's Bono during the half-time show during the Superbowl (Pats & Rams) right after 9/11.

Duh...I starred at that over and over thinking it was like some olympic athlete with the flag... and now that you tell me... its so OBVIOUS its Bono.

 

[D-Dogg]

As for this year, you can make an argument for two players winning the award before Kobe: CP3 and LeBron.

You lose all cred when talking about the MVP and saying LeBron should have been in the mix. ONLY Kobe and CP3 were in the discussion. If LeBron was this year, then Kobe should have had two already.

 

[TJ]

You lose all cred when talking about the MVP and saying LeBron should have been in the mix. ONLY Kobe and CP3 were in the discussion. If LeBron was this year, then Kobe should have had two already.

Get your facts straight. There were four people that were MVP candidates: CP3, Kobe, LeBron, and KG. Prior to February, they candidacy was only LeBron and CP3. And then LA duped Memphis into giving them Gasol for chump change, which then automatically bumped Kobe into the mix. You couldnt look me in the eyes and tell me Gasol helped Kobe's candidacy for MVP.

Still dont believe me? Well, lets take a statistical approach:

Lebron - 30 ppg 7.9 rpg 7.2 apg
Kobe - 28.3 ppg 6.3 rpg 5.4 apg

LeBron not a legitimate MVP candidate?!?! Well, the proof is in the pudding my friend.

 

[D-Dogg]

Get your facts straight. There were four people that were MVP candidates: CP3, Kobe, LeBron, and KG. Prior to February, they candidacy was only LeBron and CP3. And then LA duped Memphis into giving them Gasol for chump change, which then automatically bumped Kobe into the mix. You couldnt look me in the eyes and tell me Gasol helped Kobe's candidacy for MVP.

Still dont believe me? Well, lets take a statistical approach:

Lebron - 30 ppg 7.9 rpg 7.2 apg
Kobe - 28.3 ppg 6.3 rpg 5.4 apg

LeBron not a legitimate MVP candidate?!?! Well, the proof is in the pudding my friend.

No, YOU take a stat approach. Kobe averaged 35 a game two years ago and something like 32 last year...he took a bad team to the playoffs twice If you think you can give LeBron any run for this season, I'll only listen to you if you thought Kobe should have had the MVP the last two seasons. (which I don't think).

LeBron...no shot at MVP. Mediocre east team in a terrible eastern conference. KG, no shot at MVP...good player on a team with three all stars in a terrible eastern conference.

No, only CP3 or Kobe should have got the goods...and since Kobe's team won the West, that's as good of reason as any.


And by the way, Kobe was a legit candidate BEFORE february, when he and BYNUM had the Lakers in first place in the West. Then Gasol came along and just fit right in (through no help of Kobe, right?) with the Lakers and they came back and got the top spot back. Oh yeah, Pau was injured and in that span the Lakers beat Dallas and the Jazz on the road in back to back games that helped solidify the number one spot. What did CP3 do? Lost 4 of 6 I think at the end of the year, one of those games to the Lakers.

That is what made the difference. KG and LeBron were not in the argument outside of New England and Ohio...and those are the facts.

 

[TJ]

No, YOU take a stat approach. Kobe averaged 35 a game two years ago and something like 32 last year...he took a bad team to the playoffs twice If you think you can give LeBron any run for this season, I'll only listen to you if you thought Kobe should have had the MVP the last two seasons. (which I don't think).

Well then you are making my point for me. Kobe earned this award for what he did in previous seasons, not necessarily what happened this season. And in the eyes of the voters, Kobe is winning this award because he hasnt got one yet.

 

[cobbler]

Well then you are making my point for me. Kobe earned this award for what he did in previous seasons, not necessarily what happened this season. And in the eyes of the voters, Kobe is winning this award because he hasnt got one yet.

 

[Treesquid PhD]

This thread makes me want to gouge my eyes out.

 

[crdnl85]

CP3 snubbed.....they must have accounted for women raped this year

Sorry if I sound bitter, I would never give that piece of **** the MVP award

Niether would i.

 

[Chaplin]

I think Chris Paul deserved it more, but Kobe has earned the award. I just have a problem with a guy being made MVP when he didn't even want to be on the team at the beginning of the year and had no problem bad-mouthing teammates. Doesn't seem like an MVP to me. And that's without even taking into consideration his reputation, however much he may or may not have earned it.

 

[Renz]

Kobe wanted to be traded because he didn't think the Laker brass had the same commitment to winning that he did. Many other stars in every sport have made similar demands.

As for Bynum, Kobe wasn't dissing him so much as he was trying to get help to win by trading for Jason Kidd. Kobe's position was that if you can get Kidd for Bynum, you do it.

He went about it the wrong way, and it's unfortunate that it became public, but it wasn't an attack on Bynum. Regardless, all's well that ends well.

 

[D-Dogg]

Well then you are making my point for me. Kobe earned this award for what he did in previous seasons, not necessarily what happened this season. And in the eyes of the voters, Kobe is winning this award because he hasnt got one yet.

Will you say that if LeBron ever wins one? I doubt it. Then you would be what people call "consistent."

Did YOU think Kobe deserved it those other years? I'm guessing YES if you think LeBron did this year. You'd be wrong on all counts if you do. I've accepted what is the requirement for MVP...you haven't.

 

[D-Dogg]

Niether would i.

Which is why people like you (hater) and Bill Simmons (celtic homer) don't get votes.

 

[D-Dogg]

I think Chris Paul deserved it more, but Kobe has earned the award. I just have a problem with a guy being made MVP when he didn't even want to be on the team at the beginning of the year and had no problem bad-mouthing teammates. Doesn't seem like an MVP to me. And that's without even taking into consideration his reputation, however much he may or may not have earned it.

It's a regular season award, not an offseason one. And since the start of training camp, Kobe has been 100% on board with the team...they all say as much.

 

[Darth Llama]

It's a regular season award, not an offseason one. And since the start of training camp, Kobe has been 100% on board with the team...they all say as much.

You're wasting your breath you know? There is no way you're going to get some of these people here to agree with you. You know you're right, and so does the majority of the world, let that be enough my friend.

 

[Joe L]

Kobe wanted to be traded because he didn't think the Laker brass had the same commitment to winning that he did. Many other stars in every sport have made similar demands.

How many have an MVP?

As for Bynum, Kobe wasn't dissing him so much as he was trying to get help to win by trading for Jason Kidd. Kobe's position was that if you can get Kidd for Bynum, you do it.

Well, what do you think would have happened if the trade Kobe wanted was made? With the addition of Fisher & Gasol, I think he is better suited to shut the hell up and be a player and not a GM. He has a tendency to talk about players and "rat" on them for selfish reasons.
If the Lakers organization would have succumbed to his demands, they would have an old player and locked up with a big salary and you the Lakers fans would be out in the cold cause he would have just left LA for greener pastures as soon as his contract was up. Remember, even Buss called him out in public and only then did he become the quite good teammate. This has nothing to do with the MVP but I thought I would remind the fans of this guys character. Hell, for Phil Jackson to call him out in his book says it all. He said he is the epitome of the "selfish player". They have made up and all but those were his feelings then and I assume he meant them. I give Kobe credit for becoming a team player but his character has always been in question. Like I said, he deserves the MVP as much as CP3 but I think it was based on winning the top spot in the West.

He went about it the wrong way, and it's unfortunate that it became public, but it wasn't an attack on Bynum. Regardless, all's well that ends well.

It wasn't a direct attack on Bynum but none the less, it was an indirect bashing of a teammate...just one of many that he has gone public with. Oh, by the way, Bynum's arrival has nothing to do with Kobe motivating him or motivating the team, it was Kupchack's belief in the players he went out to get. Bynum is what Kupchack thought he was...a great player. I said before the season started that the Lakers would be in the play-offs with or without Kobe...I was right.

* Next game just watch when Kobe sits and watch the score and watch the team play without him. Tell me which unit plays better.
I watch every Laker game and I pay attention to the second unit. I usually tend to see the leads get bigger while Kobe sits and the team plays smarter. Doesn't always happen but I say 7 out of 10 times they usually do better. Just an observation...might want to look at that.

I may not be a fan of the Lakers or shall I say Kobe? But I do respect a quality team. Since I live in LA, I have the luxury to watch every game. I have been since the age of twelve.

Please don't call me a hater cause i am not.I love the Laker players they have except for Turiaf (acts like a child) & Kobe. I respect and admire Kobe's game...just not his character.

Bottom line, it is the character of the players that gets to me.

 

[D-Dogg]

How many have an MVP? .

Magic Johnson.

Top 2 player of all time.

You need more really?


Ok then...Michael Jordan.

Top 2 player of all time.


You need more now?


Oh, those guys won multiple MVPs.