My Take On Rosen So Far

[football karma]

David Johnson looks like absolute **** in this offense. I'm not evaluating Josh Rosen until I see him with a competent coaching staff.

why did it take until down 30 something points in the 4th quarter to throw a swing pass to DJ on the move out of the backfield that gained an easy 7 yards and a first down?

that play should be a bread and butter play for this offense until the defense changes its approach to stop it (ala New England)

 

[Russ Smith]

Tbh Rosen never jumped off the screen to me at UCLA. I was on the Darnold/Mayfield train but didn’t think they were perfect... When you go back and look at the game of his career vs Texas A&M he rallied them back from a crazy deficit but A&M’s defense literally dropped 3 picks in the 2nd half that could’ve ended the momentum. They were point blank drops that weren’t in traffic. I remember some bad decisions the next week vs Memphis in another shootout. Mora didn’t do him any favors and Rosen ended up with three OC’s in three years and had a terrible defense. Maybe Mora inherited a great team because he had b2b ten win seasons with Hundley early in his tenure.

Rosen was considering Stanford along with UCLA wasn’t he? That would’ve been a better decision.

Stanford famously passed on Rosen because he told them he wanted to start as a freshman and they told him that was unlikely. They felt he was a bit too cocky about it.

Definitely would have been a better career path for Josh there and for Stanford, but it wasn't to be.

He clearly has some issues, and yes ball security at UCLA was one of them. Early on here he's been pretty good at it, obviously last night 5 was terrible.

 

[PJ1]

Have seen good and bad from him which is to be expected. Last night was bad but we are asking a rookie to move the offense with no running game at all. Receivers aren't helping and the OL is shaky at best. Rosen still remains confident when speaking to the press. I say we have a good one. Need a team that helps not hurts the rookie.

 

[Totally_Red]

Too early. We'll obviously know a lot more by the end of the season.

 

[moklerman]

why did it take until down 30 something points in the 4th quarter to throw a swing pass to DJ on the move out of the backfield that gained an easy 7 yards and a first down?

that play should be a bread and butter play for this offense until the defense changes its approach to stop it (ala New England)

My football watching is very fragmented so I may have missed examples of it but last night was the first time I saw DJ go down the seam and challenge the secondary. They guy is a legit receiving threat and should be used as such. Why he's being used as Eddie George instead of as Marshall Faulk is beyond comprehension.

 

[moklerman]

Oh, as far as Rosen, I see no reason to push the panic button on him specifically. In fact, I've seen a guy that if put in better circumstances would be a legitimate starter. Put him on the Rams and he'd be just fine. Or Minnesota or Philly or any staff that's competent really.

 

[conraddobler]

I wasn't very impressed with him last night so I understand why you started this thread, however, I also agree with everyone that says this train wreck going on isn't something you can just ignore in your analysis of him either.

My greatest fear is that this thing might ingrain itself into his psyche in ways he's not completely even aware of. This level of suckage is so bad that it could ruin nearly anyone "at least for a good while" and it's one reason I didn't want him playing for this staff.

You could say he has to learn sometimes, true, and it's ironic that Aikman was doing the game as he had a dreadful first season on a terrible team.

He went on to have an "ok" career and by the way since I'm mentioning him. Did anyone else not hear the contempt for the Cardinals in what he was saying that I heard?

Sheesh that punt on 3rd down comment was actually pretty savage comming from an actual commentator. I mean it was somewhat deserved but they aren't supposed to kick franchises when they are down like that I didn't think.

Anyway I don't know on JR yet, too soon to tell, but there was very little good to take out of that game I could see.

 

[ReasonableMan]

I wasn't very impressed with him last night so I understand why you started this thread, however, I also agree with everyone that says this train wreck going on isn't something you can just ignore in your analysis of him either.

My greatest fear is that this thing might ingrain itself into his psyche in ways he's not completely even aware of. This level of suckage is so bad that it could ruin nearly anyone "at least for a good while" and it's one reason I didn't want him playing for this staff.

You could say he has to learn sometimes, true, and it's ironic that Aikman was doing the game as he had a dreadful first season on a terrible team.

He went on to have an "ok" career and by the way since I'm mentioning him. Did anyone else not hear the contempt for the Cardinals in what he was saying that I heard?

Sheesh that punt on 3rd down comment was actually pretty savage comming from an actual commentator. I mean it was somewhat deserved but they aren't supposed to kick franchises when they are down like that I didn't think.

Anyway I don't know on JR yet, too soon to tell, but there was very little good to take out of that game I could see.

Aikman kicking us while we were down was needed. The more the light is shined in Bidwill's face, the more things will change.

 

[GatorAZ]

Stanford famously passed on Rosen because he told them he wanted to start as a freshman and they told him that was unlikely. They felt he was a bit too cocky about it.

Definitely would have been a better career path for Josh there and for Stanford, but it wasn't to be.

He clearly has some issues, and yes ball security at UCLA was one of them. Early on here he's been pretty good at it, obviously last night 5 was terrible.

Bold statement with a senior Kevin Hogan coming back. Stanford ended up going to the Rose Bowl that year.

But hey, shooters shoot.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I see throws from him that most other QBs don't make. If his receivers alone were doing more to help him out he would be looking way better. Not to mention the playcalling and o-line play.

 

[JeffGollin]

I don't think he's going to be the be all that ends all most think he's going to be. I just don't see it. Maybe it's McCoy but he sails a lot of passes, throws behind receivers, and that last INT, well, I'm going to throw that into the mailing it in at that point pile. But there's something about him I'm not impressed with. Is he horrible? No but I don't think he's going to be the savior everyone thinks he is. I give him an A for effort. Hopefully with a new regime I might change my mind and will gladly eat crow but I don't think I'm wrong here.

You may be onto something - or not.

How different young QB's deal with adversity is, at best, a mystery.

Is Josh's unflappable demeanor cool? Or is he just numb & prone to freezing up in crunch situations?

Is he being real? Or does he secretly wonder how he's being viewed by the media?

To be successful, Josh must learn to focus on the play at hand and not worry about what others think. Can he do this?

If you were to put each youngster in one of three potential groupings: Superstar... Bust... Average... with Josh, I think we can cross out average. That leaves Boom or Bust, and with young QB's you just never know.

 

[conraddobler]

Aikman kicking us while we were down was needed. The more the light is shined in Bidwill's face, the more things will change.

I agree with you.

Once again and forever, hire a great GM, it's the only thing that is going to turn this into a consistent winning franchise.

 

[moklerman]

I see throws from him that most other QBs don't make. If his receivers alone were doing more to help him out he would be looking way better. Not to mention the playcalling and o-line play.

I agree that he has that right bit of aggression that many QB's don't. Can it be cultivated and harnessed for good? That's yet to be seen. But just because Rosen is showing that he isn't necessarily a good QB for a bad situation doesn't mean that he won't be a good QB when the situation improves.

Favre was not the best QB in a bad situation either. He was not going to just lay down and protect his stats. He was going to keep trying to win and many times that got him into trouble. But it's what also made him one of the greatest of all time. Rosen is aggressive and can be reckless but I think that's what Cardinals fans want. The nerve to make passes that others would not.

Mahommes vs. Smith if you will.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I agree that he has that right bit of aggression that many QB's don't. Can it be cultivated and harnessed for good? That's yet to be seen. But just because Rosen is showing that he isn't necessarily a good QB for a bad situation doesn't mean that he won't be a good QB when the situation improves.

Favre was not the best QB in a bad situation either. He was not going to just lay down and protect his stats. He was going to keep trying to win and many times that got him into trouble. But it's what also made him one of the greatest of all time. Rosen is aggressive and can be reckless but I think that's what Cardinals fans want. The nerve to make passes that others would not.

Mahommes vs. Smith if you will.

I should have said I see throws from him that most other QB's "can't" make. Yes he has been more aggressive than a lot of other QBs, but he also sees throws and executes throws that a lot of other QBs would see or be able to execute.

 

[moklerman]

I should have said I see throws from him that most other QB's "can't" make. Yes he has been more aggressive than a lot of other QBs, but he also sees throws and executes throws that a lot of other QBs would see or be able to execute.

I don't like using that phrase as it's very over-used nowadays IMO. There are very few QB's out there that "he makes throws other QB's can't make" hasn't been used. At this level, I think that the talent is relatively equitable among NFL starters and most do make throws that non-starters can't make. So it's kind of a given. And I agree. I think Rosen is among the starting caliber. So attitude, demeanor, personality...all of the intangible stuff that can't be measured and is easy to argue about is what we're left with.

 

[TJ]

Rosen is a rookie who was exposed to an awful offense. You could see last night that he was frustrated by alignments, checks, or something that had to do with the play calling.

He had an awful game, but this is part of the learning process. Rosen will be fine and no one should be engraving his tombstone at this moment.

 

[moklerman]

Rosen is a rookie who was exposed to an awful offense. You could see last night that he was frustrated by alignments, checks, or something that had to do with the play calling.

He had an awful game, but this is part of the learning process. Rosen will be fine and no one should be engraving his tombstone at this moment.

Yeah, it was telling that McCoy and the staff couldn't the get the play in in a timely manner. Calling timeout the second play of the game when everything should be scripted and running smoothly. And it kept happening all night. Rosen just wanted the play and McCoy and the booth were like a fire drill trying to figure out how to call a run up the gut.

 

[Willie D]

Compare his year so far with Jared Goff's first year with the Rams: New HC, new OC, team kinda in limbo. He seems to have gotten past that.

Give Rosen some time with Leftwich. The season is a wash already.

 

[Milgod]

The absolute overreaction by some in talking about getting a QB of the future already is absurd.

The guy is getting hurried or worse pretty much 50% of the time. He's playing with horrible playcalling and having to force things because we're so far behind. Also, with barely anyone to throw to.

 

[Chopper0080]

Who's to blame for this?

Not Josh Rosen

 

[Chopper0080]

Josh Rosen is not the problem in Arizona. Stop it. Same goes for Patrick Peterson. Same goes for David Johnson. Same goes for Chandler Jones. They may have bad plays/games, but that happens when you are being put in situations to fail. We all know what the issue is, stop trying to find another.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I wasn't very impressed with him last night so I understand why you started this thread, however, I also agree with everyone that says this train wreck going on isn't something you can just ignore in your analysis of him either.

My greatest fear is that this thing might ingrain itself into his psyche in ways he's not completely even aware of. This level of suckage is so bad that it could ruin nearly anyone "at least for a good while" and it's one reason I didn't want him playing for this staff.

You could say he has to learn sometimes, true, and it's ironic that Aikman was doing the game as he had a dreadful first season on a terrible team.

He went on to have an "ok" career and by the way since I'm mentioning him. Did anyone else not hear the contempt for the Cardinals in what he was saying that I heard?

Sheesh that punt on 3rd down comment was actually pretty savage comming from an actual commentator. I mean it was somewhat deserved but they aren't supposed to kick franchises when they are down like that I didn't think.

Anyway I don't know on JR yet, too soon to tell, but there was very little good to take out of that game I could see.

Aikman echoed every thought in my head. Glad someone could get the ridicule out into the public.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I'll admit, I have been avoiding watching this team. I've watched enough bad Cardinals teams that I just can't stomach it anymore.

I watched half of the Redskins game and it was just so obvious that this team was going to be epically bad, bad beyond what even the Darkside thought, that I said fark this year, I'll pay attention to the Suns. I'll watch some Rosen highlights and that's it.

The problem CAN'T be a talent issue. Nearly the same team went 8-8 last year, and there were notable coaching lapses that kept the team from a winning record. The Wilks staff has been so bad and so incapable of playing to this teams strengths and masking weaknesses. This staff is Dave Mac bad.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

Rookie with a bad OL and terrible OC throws 5 interceptions, including 2 pick-sixes at the beginning of the game, and he is still fully vested in taking hits to get more points on the board in the fourth quarter.

I love the kid, he reminds me of Palmer with his demeanor and I hope he transcends Palmer's ability when we return to the playoffs under Leftwich.

 

[TJ]

Josh Rosen is not the problem in Arizona. Stop it. Same goes for Patrick Peterson. Same goes for David Johnson. Same goes for Chandler Jones. They may have bad plays/games, but that happens when you are being put in situations to fail. We all know what the issue is, stop trying to find another.

Exactly. We have superstars on this team. Even the best players on awful systems struggle. Fitz in 2010 is an example. So is Todd Gurley in 2016.

The recent criticism of David Johnson is not dissimilar to the nonsense that Mitch tried to sell you all about Patrick Peterson.