Nash to Lakers???

[Mainstreet]

Depends on what you think is wise. If you think a team that may be able to compete for a playoff spot in a couple years is wise, then I think they can do that. If you think laying the ground work for a championship team is wise, then their recent moves and rumored moves wouldn't fit that description imo.

I missed this post. I'd like to think the Suns can do both if they learn the difference between short term and long term goals. IMO, the key is always keeping as many options open as possible, keeping CAP space available, doing short term contracts whenever possible and keeping draft picks to acquire young players.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I had pegged the Lakers from the start as the most likely destination. With no leverage, to pull 4 picks is just unheard of. I wish Steve all the best, he deserves that

 

[Phrazbit]

No here's perspective: We aren't likely to be winning anything for the next 3 years, we got 4 draft picks for a 38 year old PG on his last legs that could have left for nothing, we now have flexibility to do what we need to do to rebuild

The future of the Suns is what should be the priority not view of a rivalry.

We got 2 late first rounders and 2 worthless 2nd rounders... and we just gave our biggest rival a huge boost both in talent and chemistry. I understand your point of view but I vehemently disagree.

And if Shumpert was actually on the table then this deal is deplorable no matter how you slice it.

 

[Phrazbit]

Depends on what you think is wise. If you think a team that may be able to compete for a playoff spot in a couple years is wise, then I think they can do that. If you think laying the ground work for a championship team is wise, then their recent moves and rumored moves wouldn't fit that description imo.

Agreed 100%. They are making big gambles are marginal talents. If we get Gordon and Dragic we will be looking at ~120 million in contracts on guys who make us a fringe playoff team... if they stay healthy.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

We got 2 late first rounders and 2 worthless 2nd rounders... and we just gave our biggest rival a huge boost both in talent and chemistry. I understand your point of view but I vehemently disagree.

And if Shumpert was actually on the table then this deal is deplorable no matter how you slice it.

Yeah those crappy late round picks like Rondo and Gortat never work out. Why even try?

 

[SunsTzu]

I missed this post. I'd like to think the Suns can do both if they learn the difference between short term and long term goals. IMO, the key is always keeping as many options open as possible, keeping CAP space available, doing short term contracts whenever possible and keeping draft picks to acquire young players.

The Suns are trying to make a big splash in this free agency and have been offering big money/years. I don't think they have a long term plan outside of spending what ever they can while they have it.

Maybe of Gordon gets matched and the Suns miss out on Dragic, Felton and Sessions they'll be forced to stay conservative, but their apparent goals seem to have them on track to competing for a bottom playoff spot unless they get really lucky in the draft.

 

[Joe Mama]

The trade exception really doesn't do anything for us, right? It was just part of making the trade work.

Joe

 

[SunsTzu]

Yeah those crappy late round picks like Rondo and Gortat never work out. Why even try?

For a guy who was a free agent. Do fans really think when Nash the Suns to help him sign with the Lakers they should have said "No"? Do people really think it would have been better for Nash to sign in Dallas or Toronto and gotten nothing while souring on his last experience with the Suns for not helping him go where he wanted?

 

[Phrazbit]

Yeah those crappy late round picks like Rondo and Gortat never work out. Why even try?

I am talking about value. Those picks have almost no value.

Would you rather have Shumpert, a player who has already proven he can defend in this league and has superb athleticism, or would you rather have a 1 in 30 chance of stumbling into a talent?

 

[Chris_Sanders]

For a guy who was a free agent. Do fans really think when Nash the Suns to help him sign with the Lakers they should have said "No"? Do people really think it would have been better for Nash to sign in Dallas or Toronto and gotten nothing while souring on his last experience with the Suns for not helping him go where he wanted?

Emotion overrides logic. This is the first time in years I thought the Suns handled a trade well

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Im surprisingly apathetic to all of this. I've only felt this way about one of "my" teams once before. John Macovics Arizona football teams where I boycotted supporting the team until he was gone. And I supported the Cardinals buying season tickets from 2000-2005 so it takes something special to piss me off like this.

Robert Sarver has destroyed this franchise. Don't kid yourself. The reason he relented on trading to a rival was 3.1 million. Dudes shame knows no bounds.

What a joke. And now like when Amare left they are throwing around funny money to mediocre players as if to say "hey guys we are trying!"

F Robert Sarver. He won't get one dime from me till his ass sells.

 

[SunsTzu]

The trade exception really doesn't do anything for us, right? It was just part of making the trade work.

Joe

If the Suns use their available cap on signings before finalizing the Nash S&T then they can keep the TPE until next year. So if the Suns really planning on using the cap this year they better have their ducks in a row.

 

[Folster]

The trade exception really doesn't do anything for us, right? It was just part of making the trade work.

Joe

Yeah, essentially, a trade exception allows you take back salary if you are over the cap. Since the Suns are under the cap, they'll use cap space. However, they may be able to hold it and use it if they do at some point reach the cap and wish to acquire a player. I think it's good for a year.

 

[Covert Rain]

Yeah those crappy late round picks like Rondo and Gortat never work out. Why even try?

Those are exceptions though...for every Rondo or Gortat I raise you 90% of the other late round picks that end up doing nothing.

i understand why the Suns did what they did, but it's not going to make me feel any less disgusted when I see Nash in a Lakers uniform.

knowing we were going to suck royally next year, at least I was looking forward to watching Nash play with someone else who had a shot at winning... but not with the Lakers. never with the Lakers.

+ F.ING 1

 

[SirStefan32]

I expected to lose Nash for nothing in return, so 4 picks definitely make me happy. Yeah, they are not going to be great picks, but they are at least SOME assets.

I wanted Nash gone so that we can start rebuilding, but it will make me sick to see him in a Lakers uniform.

 

[Chaplin]

Only problem with this trade was that it was with the Lakers. We could have let him go for nothing. NOTHING vs. 4 picks, whether kept or not.

The pros outweigh the cons by far. By the time we're actually relevant, Nash will be retired or on his last legs. That third year is going to be hard to watch.

So for all intents and purposes, we got some decent assets. Yes, the odds are that they will be late 1st rounders, but so what? If we tank and get a top 10 of our own, then you all will be jumping for joy that we got extra picks. Hell, most of you wanted the Celts 21 and 22 THIS draft.

Again, great trade except for the fact that he's traded to the Lakers. And that's more a personal affront than anything else. He could have just gone for nothing.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

Good job Suns

Could have traded him either of the past two seasons and actually gotten something in return

Instead you wait - offload him to a major division rival and get pretty much nothing in return

2nd round picks are a joke in the NBA - you can't even consider them assets

The likely 1st rounders are not going to be very good either

You really can't call them "assets" - it's basicaly the same trade that cleveland made with miami when they sent LeBron there .....

it's by far a minimal haul compared to what they could have gotten over the past 2 years

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Good job Suns

Could have traded him either of the past two seasons and actually gotten something in return

Instead you wait - offload him to a major division rival and get pretty much nothing in return

2nd round picks are a joke in the NBA - you can't even consider them assets

The likely 1st rounders are not going to be very good either

You really can't call them "assets" - it's basicaly the same trade that cleveland made with miami when they sent LeBron there .....

it's by far a minimal haul compared to what they could have gotten over the past 2 years

100% agree. How they didn't trade him last offseason or even at the deadline this year and get actual assets back to a team desperate for a PG is beyond me. Especially since they made NO attempt to resign him. What were they thinking?

 

[SunsTzu]

it's by far a minimal haul compared to what they could have gotten over the past 2 years

No evidence to support this. Nash's production was always far greater than his value because of his age. I never saw a single rumored Nash trade that was significantly better than what the Suns got while he was a FA.

The market for Nash was much smaller than people realized. Only good teams without PGs would be interested in Nash and those teams either couldn't or wouldn't give up the assets required for a 36-38 y/o PG.

Magic were the most sensible team but they couldn't even come close to matching what the Suns just got.

 

[JS22]

I haven't read through the entire thread but a lot of people seem to be hating on the organization for this, which I don't quite understand. Nash was unrestricted, able to go wherever he pleases. It's not like the Suns traded him to the Lakers in the middle of the season. He wanted to play there & the Suns got 4 picks out of it. Probably late picks, but it's better than watching him go to the Lakers for nothing. No reason to get pissed @ the Suns management.

HOWEVER, I think Nash's legacy here is going to be seriously tainted. I know he can do whatever the hell he wants, but, the Lakers? Seriously? After all of that "I don't think I could bring myself to put on a Lakers jersey" talk? I know he wants to win. And I know he wants to stay close to his family. But I will be actively rooting for him to lose now. And that just sucks.

 

[JS22]

And just when I thought it couldn't get any worse:

From ESPN: "Sources told ESPN.com that Nash will try to convince longtime teammate Grant Hill, one of his closest friends in the game, to join him with the Lakers."

Dig the knife a little deeper, Steve!

Wouldn't be shocked though. But man, Nash and Hill on the Lakers? Where's the nearest bucket so I can vomit my 4th of July dinner?

 

[Chaplin]

Good job Suns

Could have traded him either of the past two seasons and actually gotten something in return

Instead you wait - offload him to a major division rival and get pretty much nothing in return

2nd round picks are a joke in the NBA - you can't even consider them assets

The likely 1st rounders are not going to be very good either

You really can't call them "assets" - it's basicaly the same trade that cleveland made with miami when they sent LeBron there .....

it's by far a minimal haul compared to what they could have gotten over the past 2 years

Are you kidding? 95% of the people here were BEGGING the Suns to get extra picks in the 1st AND 2nd rounds! Some hypocritical people here, and it's been only a week since they were crying about it!

Steve Nash for picks? GREAT
Steve Nash to Lakers? SUCKS, but oh well. At least we got something, and draft picks are what everybody wanted! We cerTainly were never going to get a lotto pick for him from anybody.

 

[JCSunsfan]

I am talking about value. Those picks have almost no value.

Would you rather have Shumpert, a player who has already proven he can defend in this league and has superb athleticism, or would you rather have a 1 in 30 chance of stumbling into a talent?

I am sorry. You make absolutely no sense. Nash was going to walk for nothing. We are not competing with the Lakers any time soon.

This s&t is next to miraculous, and you never know for sure where they will be.

 

[elindholm]

Are you kidding? 95% of the people here were BEGGING the Suns to get extra picks in the 1st AND 2nd rounds! Some hypocritical people here, and it's been only a week since they were crying about it!

Not only that, but a few months ago everyone was in an outrage that the Suns didn't trade Nash for one late first-rounder plus expiring crap, which most of us seemed to agree was the best offer they were likely to get.

 

[JS22]

We got 2 late first rounders and 2 worthless 2nd rounders... and we just gave our biggest rival a huge boost both in talent and chemistry. I understand your point of view but I vehemently disagree.

And if Shumpert was actually on the table then this deal is deplorable no matter how you slice it.

You do understand that Nash was an unrestricted free agent, able to go wherever he wanted, right? He chose the Lakers. The Suns got 4 draft picks. The end.

I don't understand how people can be upset that they didn't get a better deal elsewhere, when it was entirely up to Nash.

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