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Without a S&T, Lakers had NO way to get him. So they were willing to deal out the picks and the TPE as well. As a FA, Steve walks elsewhere and PHX gets nothing. In the S&T, he goes to LA, LA can get him and the Suns get picks. Pretty much a win-win all around, from a business standpoint. Fan loyalty..eh, I hear ya Suns Fans. If kobe bolted to Boston and the front office facilitated it, I would lose my ****.
 

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I am sorry. You make absolutely no sense. Nash was going to walk for nothing. We are not competing with the Lakers any time soon.

This s&t is next to miraculous, and you never know for sure where they will be.

Look, I can understand, you're glad they got something. Fine. But for me, my favorite teams are the Suns and whoever the Lakers are playing. I would have rather he walked than see him in LA.
You do understand that Nash was an unrestricted free agent, able to go wherever he wanted, right? He chose the Lakers. The Suns got 4 draft picks. The end.

I don't understand how people can be upset that they didn't get a better deal elsewhere, when it was entirely up to Nash.

And no, he couldnt go where ever he wanted if he was expecting to make a contract worthy of his talent. Which is why there was a sign and trade, he could ONLY get to the Lakers with the Suns help. By all reports he was willing to go to a few places. He even expressed how reluctant he was about going to the Lakers a few weeks ago, the Suns could have said "you can find a team, but it wont be the Lakers, if you want to go there, you're on your own" and then facilitated a trade with someone else.

Nash seemed willing to go to New York, New York by most reports was looking at giving up Shumpert. I dont thinks it at all unreasonable for me as a fan to be disgusted with this Laker trade, especially if we could have potentially gotten better value elsewhere.
 

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Look, I can understand, you're glad they got something. Fine. But for me, my favorite teams are the Suns and whoever the Lakers are playing. I would have rather he walked than see him in LA.


And no, he couldnt go where ever he wanted if he was expecting to make a contract worthy of his talent. Which is why there was a sign and trade, he could ONLY get to the Lakers with the Suns help. By all reports he was willing to go to a few places. He even expressed how reluctant he was about going to the Lakers a few weeks ago, the Suns could have said "you can find a team, but it wont be the Lakers, if you want to go there, you're on your own" and then facilitated a trade with someone else.

Nash seemed willing to go to New York, New York by most reports was looking at giving up Shumpert. I dont thinks it at all unreasonable for me as a fan to be disgusted with this Laker trade, especially if we could have potentially gotten better value elsewhere.

Shumpert was a late 1st for one so you're going out of your own way to argue against your earlier point that the late 1sts are worth basically nothing and yes he could have gone to Toronto for absolutely nothing and get the contract he wanted (in fact they offered much more than the Lakers did)
 

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Funny so many get pissed that the Suns are not rebuilding then they start rebuilding and the same people get pissed. Yes it sunchs he went the fing Lakers up it was Nash's choice. It worked out for both Nash will stay close to is family and go for a title. The Suns get something for him. I wouldn't mind trading the early year picks to get someone like Gordan or another scorer.
 

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Shumpert was a late 1st for one so you're going out of your own way to argue against your earlier point that the late 1sts are worth basically nothing and yes he could have gone to Toronto for absolutely nothing and get the contract he wanted (in fact they offered much more than the Lakers did)

Shumpert was picked 17th overall, thats not a "late" first, and its much higher than any picks we will getting from the Lakers.

Shumpert is a player who has already shown some elite level skills in the NBA. He is a superb defender. Drafting in the (true) late reaches of the first he is the kind of player who is a very rare find in those slots.

And yes, he could have gone to the Raptors, I know, but he COULDNT have gone to the Lakers for that contract without us facilitating it.
 

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Shumpert was picked 17th overall, thats not a "late" first, and its much higher than any picks we will getting from the Lakers.

My bad I thought he was taken around 20 and at that point it is a late 1st. Still wasn't an early pick by any stretch of the imagination

Shumpert is a player who has already shown some elite level skills in the NBA. He is a superb defender. Drafting in the (true) late reaches of the first he is the kind of player who is a very rare find in those slots.

Its rare to find a true level player at any level of the draft. There have been many Stromile Swifts and Greg Odens in the top 5. The draft as a whole is basically an educated guess.

As I said before it may not be to get players ourselves but these pieces could allow us to get other players (ie Gordon, Harden) or even trading up which is valuable in a rebuilding campaign

And yes, he could have gone to the Raptors, I know, but he COULDNT have gone to the Lakers for that contract without us facilitating it.

True but he could have gone elsewhere for nothing which is what could've happened if you manage to piss him off. It doesn't mean he's going down to the next team on his list that WE want to trade with. It doesn't work that way
 

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I'm rather shocked at myself... I've been anti-Lakers since they were in Minneapolis, but I think I'll root for them to win the title during Nash's time there. Then I hope that we hit the jackpot with those 4 lousy draft picks and stomp the holy crap out of them for a decade.
 

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True but he could have gone elsewhere for nothing which is what could've happened if you manage to piss him off. It doesn't mean he's going down to the next team on his list that WE want to trade with. It doesn't work that way

I understand that, but I dont think its out of line for the Suns to say "Anywhere but the Lakers". Even then Nash still has the option to go there but would have to do it on their terms. Nash seemed interested in New York, New York was certainly interested in Nash. I dont think my feelings are out of line. I'd much rather have the tangable asset of Shumpert than the slim hope of finding a quality player in a future late first round pick.

We now have a vested interest in seeing Nash fail miserably because of these picks. So seeing him potentially succeed on (personally) the most hated rival will be doubly painful as it hurts our draft slot.

Its an awkward position that I never wanted to be in with an all-time favorite like Nash. Id rather have lost him for nothing than see him become an f-ing Laker.
 

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It sucks to see Steve go, but anytime you can have your holiday ruined by Lakers fans blowing up your phone and laughing at your team, it makes everything okay.

That said, I wanted to collect picks. If they had actually tried to rebuild by taking on bad contracts or trading (limited) talent, they would be swimming in (albeit mediocre) picks right now, which would be more encouraging than the current state of affairs.
 

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Dude, multiple first-round picks. The Lakers can get their championships while the Suns suck (regardless), I don't care. As the Lakers fade, the Suns can MAYBE acquire a bevy of young talent.

Then again, we're talking about draft picks for one of the worst drafting FOs in basketball.


This front office has drafted ONE player that has played an NBA game. Morris wasn't a homerun, but he proved to be solid. That criticism is unjust and ignorant.

Do you honestly believe this FO can actually turn those "assets" into useful players? I don't.

I don't get the criticism for the current regime. They pulled off an unbelievable trade to bring in a top center in basketball, a 1st round pick (that they later pissed away), cap room, and cash, while unloading one of the worst contracts in basketball (Hedo). The Brooks deal turned out to be a huge failure, but it wasn't really ever given a chance to fully play out. I also respect that they were willing to say they made a mistake and bring Dragic back over Brooks. I also think they played the Nash/Lakers situation perfectly by acquiring four draft picks when they could have ended up empty handed. They have also shown the ability to woo free agents. Gordon, Dragic, and Beasley all had significant interest but the Suns won out.
 

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When the offseason is over the Lakers will likely have around $90 million in payroll.
 

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When the offseason is over the Lakers will likely have around $90 million in payroll.

They have interesting dillemas. They have a huge payroll, and they are aging and contracts coming due at close time frames.

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm

Bynum's contract comes up first. At 16.4 million this season, his next contract will obviously be huge.

They have Gasol and Kobe's contract up after 13-14 seasons. I can see why they want to get rid of Gasol. Letting him leave doesn't drop you below the cap. Signing him long term presents a big problem. No one is going to take on a re-signed Gasol's contract and give something up in return.

At three years, Nash will also be the only person on their team of note to be signed that third year.

Kobe is in decline. I've noticed the past couple of years he just isn't the same. I'm sure in two years that decrease is going to be even more noticeable. I think of anyone, he gets the pass to stay over all others (though not past a point). But again, Kobe makes bank, he's going to want some big money, and I don't see how anyone takes on that contract either. Either way as long as Kobe is on the Lakers (barring a major decrease in his salary) going forward he becomes more and more of a drain every season.

Nash won't be traded. He'll retire a Laker, unless he somehow wins a title, ends his contract and wants to play more. I just don't see it. Never say never though.

All told the Lakers have players that if they don't trade in the next year, they won't be tradeable. Seeing how they just went all in with Nash, unless a Bynum and Gasol trade for Howard materializes, they are locked into what they are doing.

Even then Howard is a injury concern too, but for now we'll assume he's still younger and a better option than anything else they could possibly have for the future.

We own their next two tradeable 1st round picks. So unless they do a draft day (after the pick is made) deal, they can't trade away any more 1st round draft picks until the 2017 pick becomes a realistic trading piece.

I really see the Lakers having a good shot the next 2-3 seasons, and then headed for a huge, fast decline.

Their players just aren't tradeable. They're over the cap. They have no picks to trade outright, and only with very limited applicable trading value with which remains.

That 2015 pick looks really good imo. 2016 probably a better bet. But 2015 still might be a lottery pick. Yeah anything can happen between now and then, but from here, the Lakers future looks pretty grim.

Just remember guys, when this happens, we can smile and realize we helped make THAT happen. We gave them TOO MANY old, retiring, expensive players at once to replace without major dropoff and troubles.

We stole their future, not just with draft picks, but creating one helluva situation where they are going to have either no cap space and old or waaayy too much space to get anything that matters. Sure they might get one guy. But even if they sign every free agent imaginable in one off season it's hard to become relevant from scratch in one off season. The Heat situation is very rare, as most FA classes just aren't like that, AND they had Wade already.

So we created a helluva lump in their process and took their future draft picks. It's an imbalance that's going to be hard to overcome with no/few assets.
 
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Not sure if this was posted.
Suns guard Steve Nash released a statement to ESPN explaining his decision to ask for a trade to the Los Angeles Lakers:

"For the last 8 seasons I’ve been blessed to play for a team and a city that has embraced me and that I have come to call home. This is a tough business and the only thing constant in life is change.
After talking with (owner) Robert (Sarver) and (president of basketball operations) Lon (Babby) we’ve agreed that it’s time for both of us to move in new directions. I approached them and asked if they would be willing to do a sign and trade deal with L.A. because it is very important to me to stay near my children and family.
They were very apprehensive and didn’t want to do it. Fortunately for me, they reconsidered. They saw that they were able to get assets for their team that will make them better, assets they would not have otherwise had and it made sense for them to do a deal that helps their team get better.
I couldn’t be more grateful to the organization and Robert in particular. I know how hard this was for him and that fact that he was able to help me and my family in this way … it means a lot and says a lot about his character. I will never forget this gesture. Above and beyond.
The Phoenix Suns are an amazing organization and fans should be excited about their future. I hope the Suns win a championship some day soon for all the amazing fans and wonderful people in the organization."
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Read more: http://valleyofthesuns.com/#ixzz1zjSicHtS
 

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Some great fans in here.




Nash is a loyal sun for a decade, leaves for a few years simply to win a ring (something he hasnt accomplished over his 16 year career..due to his staying with the SUNS over that time) and every turns on him.


Anyone mad is selfish and ______words im not allowed to use on this site.
 

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Some great fans in here.




Nash is a loyal sun for a decade, leaves for a few years simply to win a ring (something he hasnt accomplished over his 16 year career..due to his staying with the SUNS over that time) and every turns on him.


Anyone mad is selfish and ______words im not allowed to use on this site.

The Lakers aren't going to win a championship.
 

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Nash gave his heart and soul to this organisation, and now, 38 years old, he could choose where to go. He wanted to be closer to his kids, can you really blame him for that?

I really don't think he'll win a championship with the Lakers, and I don't think I could ever root for the Lakers, even if it means Nash getting a ring. But many of you are forgetting that basketball is just a freaking game and what Phoenix and LA have is a sports rivarly, big deal. Some people are taking this way too personally and way too seriously..

It's his decision so give a little respect to the guy who's done so much for the organisation.

On the end of the day, basketball is a game, and the NBA is a business. Phoenix did well to get atleast something in return for an UNRESTRICTED free agent.

You wanted to rebuild? Here's your rebuild.
 
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I haven't read through the entire thread but a lot of people seem to be hating on the organization for this, which I don't quite understand. Nash was unrestricted, able to go wherever he pleases. It's not like the Suns traded him to the Lakers in the middle of the season. He wanted to play there & the Suns got 4 picks out of it. Probably late picks, but it's better than watching him go to the Lakers for nothing. No reason to get pissed @ the Suns management.

HOWEVER, I think Nash's legacy here is going to be seriously tainted. I know he can do whatever the hell he wants, but, the Lakers? Seriously? After all of that "I don't think I could bring myself to put on a Lakers jersey" talk? I know he wants to win. And I know he wants to stay close to his family. But I will be actively rooting for him to lose now. And that just sucks.

Yeah, seriously, and there's nothing wrong with him going there if he thinks that's the best place for him to win a title.

You should read that whole article. That statement was about how some tough decisions would have to be made. He basically said that putting on Lakers jersey would be hard but would be something he would have to consider.
 

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I got a text message from my brother... "Nash got traded to Lakers". I thought today is April fool's day....

Of all the trade rumors I've read, I did not even think Nash wants to go to Lakers. I guess he wasn't kidding about wanting to get close to his family and it only proves that Nash is looking for a better career for his media company. Staying as close to LA as possible.

This is still VERY odd.... I can't grasp the whole thing yet. Need time to digest.

Does it mean D. Howard is going to Lakers?
 

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Does it mean D. Howard is going to Lakers?
I'd say the chances of that happening have greatly improved. The Suns might have just played a big part in building the next Lakers dynasty.
 

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What did the Bulls get for Jordan when he went to the Wizzards? Malone to the Lakers? Robinson when he left the Spurs?

Nash wanted a 3 year deal, it will be tough watching him play in LA, but he also played in Dallas, he will be in the Ring of Honor and we will retire his #. Let him try to get his ring. Sure it would have been nice to see him go to ANYONE other than the Lakers but at least BIM will be happy. :)
 

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