Negativity

[Duckjake]

Heck he's a good guy to have standing beside you anytime.

Unlike some old guy in a weather beaten Cardinals cap.

 

[O]

Unlike some old guy in a weather beaten Cardinals cap.

OUCH!

 

[Cheesebeef]

I've actually been thinking about those a lot lately. Definitely some good times, despite all the debaclery.

I miss Lex and his cigars. Where the hell did he go?

That first meeting at halftime of that pre-season game was legendary. We had like 25 people there. First time I met any of y'all when I was public enemy #1. Good times.

I miss KOC too.

 

[MadCardDisease]

That first meeting at halftime of that pre-season game was legendary. We had like 25 people there. First time I met any of y'all when I was public enemy #1. Good times.

I miss KOC too.

Good times. At least we have a lot of experience with lean years.

 

[40yearfan]

LOL

41-7 and 41-10. And you see no reason for the fans to be extremely upset?

40 try adding something to the conversation. If someone says Wilson sucks and you don't think so say why instead of simply crying about all the negativity.

I have been posting responses Dj, but you like a lot of others on here aren't interested in hearing anything positive, so you simply dismiss it as drinking Koolaide.

 

[40yearfan]

Out of all the responses to this thread, there was only one positive. There was however some good discussion and very little in the nature of the personal insults against the coaching staff/players that have become common place on this board. Thank you for that.

Rational, thoughtful discussion. It sure beats "Throw the bums out."

 

[JeffGollin]

I have been posting responses Dj, but you like a lot of others on here aren't interested in hearing anything positive, so you simply dismiss it as drinking Koolaide.

Forty - Can we take a step back from all this for a moment and examine the bigger picture?

We all root strongly for a football team that's been in the playoffs two years in a row, right?

During the first four games of the season, our team barely beat two bottom-feeders and got steamrolled by huge margins by Atlanta and San Diego (& played miserably in most aspects of the game).

Based on that - If you were from Mars, happened to visit this board and only read positive "don't worry/be happy" type cross-talk, you'd come away with the impression that everyone (in the words of John Gruden) "was out of their freakin' minds."

Want nice talk on the bb's? Play well. Win games.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Out of all the responses to this thread, there was only one positive.

I really liked that 50+ yard FG that Feely hit to avoibd back to back 41-7 road losses. Something to build on .

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I've ALWAYS remembered there being some level of negativity on here.

Difference is, our expectations have heightened. Used to be, the going phrase on here was SOS Cardinals.. Ineptitude both on the sidelines and in the front office; along with on field, were expected and brushed off as tradition of mediocrity.

Now, we expect more. After a Super Bowl near miss and a pair of NFC West crowns/playoff wins, the thought process is that this team should be competing for the divisional crown, especially in light of how poor the NFC West as a whole is.

Granted, I still think the Cards have as good a chance as anyone of winning the division, however the Atlanta and San Diego blowouts have shown a LOT of holes that need fixed.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

What would you expect us to say, given the way the team has played?

Compalin and talk about solution.

Or talk about reasons why we are bad, or why a player regressed.

90% of the posts are:

"This guy sucks"'

or

"You said something positive. So you are an idiot, and this teams suck."

or

"Some untrue, madness how everything sucks, always sucks, and will forever suck, and anyone that says different is an A-hole.'"

I agree with 40, and yes, we all the millions of things we could talk about, this has been one piss poor boring, whine and cry session for a month.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I have been posting responses Dj, but you like a lot of others on here aren't interested in hearing anything positive, so you simply dismiss it as drinking Koolaide.

And call you a fool by doing so, seeing no need to back up there own negative, out landish remarks with facts or relevent debate.

The whatever dude, go drink your kool-aid, response to a challenge on a point is ridiculous.

If you like Whiz right now, or see any promise you are just a fool in mosts eyes. Fine. That is great. Then lets sit on our thumbs and cry about it since there is no apparent need to look at the situation anyway but one way.

Sorry, it is ignorant and boring. One persons opinion is worth nothing, and on a message board it is worth less. The only value to one's post is the information that is within it. The fact you insult another within a post with no substance is really doing nothing, proving nothing, and shows no value to the post or the poster.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

I agree with 40, and yes, we all the millions of things we could talk about, this has been one piss poor boring, whine and cry session for a month.

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[Stout]

Well 40, I had two solid years of positive posting, with very few negatives. It stinks when our team stinks. When the team is doing well, it's easy not to go over to the dark side. When the team blows (see our current team), it's very difficult not to be negative. I look at the crap we have at QB and the cluelessness on defense, and I think about how our FO completely screwed the pooch this offseason, and I have a hard time staying positive. I haven't posted nearly as much this year because it would almost all have been negative.

I tip my hat to you. How you can remain positive in the face of massive suckage is beyond me. To me, blindly being positive would be like sticking my head in the sand. If you can manage it, more power to you--it'll help you stay more sane than I will. I just can't do that, though. I look at what I see in front of me and want to cry, thinking how fast Whiz has allowed this team to dissolve.

 

[D-Dogg]

But we beat the Rams and Raiders! Wins are wins! We were 2-1 and on the cusp of greatness!

Dude, we suck. Since we suck, people are going to complain. I know you haven't forgotten 2002, but back then we were never GOOD so expectations were mighty low. Now they are high and we are sucking like we haven't since back then.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Out of all the responses to this thread, there was only one positive. There was however some good discussion and very little in the nature of the personal insults against the coaching staff/players that have become common place on this board. Thank you for that.

Rational, thoughtful discussion. It sure beats "Throw the bums out."

40, respectfully, pages 3 and 4 illustrated why this board is what it is.

Two and a half pages of yelling at you then a couple of pages of comradery and brotherhood. (Then back to more yelling.)

One of the first things I learned about becoming a Cards fan and joining you merry band of pirates is that everybody is going to gripe, bitch, and complain. We can go from the happy few to the GB&C brotherhood in minutes.

People invest a lot in their teams. People on this board (as illustrated by pages 3 and 4) have invested in each other. Accept the GB&Cers. Accept the Pollyannas. The board would be terrifically dull without either one of them. (Make that "us". I'm Haley Mills )

 

[82CardsGrad]

But we beat the Rams and Raiders! Wins are wins! We were 2-1 and on the cusp of greatness!

Dude, we suck. Since we suck, people are going to complain. I know you haven't forgotten 2002, but back then we were never GOOD so expectations were mighty low. Now they are high and we are sucking like we haven't since back then.

It's actually worse than 2002... Back then, we didn't have close to level of player talent and depth we have today.
I'm a Whiz guy... and I can totally understand that this season would have been a step or two backward, a retooling that would have put us at 7-8 wins while remaining respectable. Then coming out in 2011 and taking control of the division again.
But thru 4 weeks this year, I see not much hope for that. We are anything but respectable. We have become, once again, the laughing stock of the league...

OOPS... Sorry 40!

 

[RugbyMuffin]

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[chickenhead]

It's not the negativity that is unreadable, it's the starting of new threads so a poster can see his or ner negativity front and center. I'm not coming here for kool-aid, I'm coming for news and analysis. It's just getting harder to find amidst the hysteria.

Or maybe I have a short memory and the place was just as hysterical 5 years ago, but with most of it directed in classic (and derved) darksider mode towards management.

The other problem is that there isn't a lot of news. Alot of qustions w/o answers hanging out there...

 

[Duckjake]

It's not the negativity that is unreadable, it's the starting of new threads so a poster can see his or ner negativity front and center. I'm not coming here for kool-aid, I'm coming for news and analysis. It's just getting harder to find amidst the hysteria.

Or maybe I have a short memory and the place was just as hysterical 5 years ago, but with most of it directed in classic (and derved) darksider mode towards management.

The other problem is that there isn't a lot of news. Alot of qustions w/o answers hanging out there...

Where is this overwhelming amount of hysteria? Sure there are a few posters that have gone overboard. But on the other hand the claims of the degree of negativity have gone way overboard as well.

 

[40yearfan]

Well 40, I had two solid years of positive posting, with very few negatives. It stinks when our team stinks. When the team is doing well, it's easy not to go over to the dark side. When the team blows (see our current team), it's very difficult not to be negative. I look at the crap we have at QB and the cluelessness on defense, and I think about how our FO completely screwed the pooch this offseason, and I have a hard time staying positive. I haven't posted nearly as much this year because it would almost all have been negative.

I tip my hat to you. How you can remain positive in the face of massive suckage is beyond me. To me, blindly being positive would be like sticking my head in the sand. If you can manage it, more power to you--it'll help you stay more sane than I will. I just can't do that, though. I look at what I see in front of me and want to cry, thinking how fast Whiz has allowed this team to dissolve.

Not so much positive as knowing this team isn't as bad as it seems right now. Except for the QB position, I believe everything thing else is fixable with the right combination of players and schemes.

We have the personnel on defense; we just need to put them into their strongest areas. We need to be able to stop the run and I think everything else will follow. To do that we have to change our scheme as we are leaving the middle wide open all the time. Either the LB's or DE's are not playing their positions properly, or our defensive scheme has a big gaping hole in it and the other teams have identified that hole and are utilizing it unmercifully.

We planned on the defense being our strong point this year and need it to be so. I think it can be, but someone on the defensive team needs to take the lead and get these guys to play hard. I believe losing Bertrand Berry and Hays was harder on this team than losing either Rolle or Dansby. We just don't seem to have the fire anymore.

We need to change some personnel on the O-line and hope that Hall has a phenominal rookie season. We need our WR's to heal up and play up to their potential, tell Beanie to quit whining and keep running the ball even if we fall behind.

Other than that, everything is just fine.

 

[conraddobler]

I don't think howling when things go bad is bad.

If all the fans showed up win or lose, no one would care as much about not losing.

It's just life, when you suck, people will be upset about it, the good thing is once you're hooked on an NFL team it's over, I can't quit this team and I've tried.

I would much much rather be going, OMG Fitz is such a monster, they know he's getting the ball and we still get him the ball!

Wow, that new QB is awesome, I was wrong, he's a GOD!

Our defense is tough, and they can cover TOO!

I am fully capable of saying all those things, but only if it's true, and sadly it's not.

 

[Stout]

Not so much positive as knowing this team isn't as bad as it seems right now. Except for the QB position, I believe everything thing else is fixable with the right combination of players and schemes.

We have the personnel on defense; we just need to put them into their strongest areas. We need to be able to stop the run and I think everything else will follow. To do that we have to change our scheme as we are leaving the middle wide open all the time. Either the LB's or DE's are not playing their positions properly, or our defensive scheme has a big gaping hole in it and the other teams have identified that hole and are utilizing it unmercifully.

We planned on the defense being our strong point this year and need it to be so. I think it can be, but someone on the defensive team needs to take the lead and get these guys to play hard. I believe losing Bertrand Berry and Hays was harder on this team than losing either Rolle or Dansby. We just don't seem to have the fire anymore.

We need to change some personnel on the O-line and hope that Hall has a phenominal rookie season. We need our WR's to heal up and play up to their potential, tell Beanie to quit whining and keep running the ball even if we fall behind.

Other than that, everything is just fine.

I can give you two words that explains about 75 percent of what's wrong with our running game, but it'll involve more negativity. Those words are Bryan Robinson.

This guy is absolutely killing our run game and is a huge reason why our defense is getting destroyed. Not only is he not demanding a double team on most plays, which is what a NT's first job is, but he is being manhandled 5 yards down the field, routinely, by one single blocker. There is absolutely no excusable reason in my mind as to why he still starts. And no, heart and character are certainly not acceptable reasons.

Which leads to the negativity. Any blind idiot can see this to be the case, so why can't Whis? This is a huge concern.

 

[English on tour]

I get a little confused at posts of this nature.

This is where passionate fans , which we all are, come to laugh , cry, praise and bemoan.
Sorry, but sometimes, "ah shucks darn", doesn't quite get the point or your feeling across.
I can see your point about personal attacks on players and coaches, but let's face it...the higher the highs, the lower the lows. We put these players teams and coaches on such a pedestal when they succeed so when they fail they fall a little further.

SInce we've experienced some success, failure is a bit harder to swallow. The real hard part to accept is what we, the fans, seem to be so obvious such as our qb situation. I, for one, fully accepted the decision to go with DA. After 3 games I had already seen enough.

If Derek Anderson goes on to have a stellar career, I will be the first to admit I was wrong. But I've seen enough to where I don't want to wait and see if DA blossoms into a top flight QB.
Josh McCowns, Dave Browns, Kurt Grahams, Jeff Blakes, Shaun Kings, John Navarres and Brian St Pierres
So whether it can be considered personal or not, I've seen enough to say in my opinion...he STINKS. See, it let's you know how i really feel rather than saying, gee, shucks, darn, he isn't playing very well.

Poor Preston Parsons will be gutted.

The start of this season has seen a real come down after a couple of years of highs. I was always going to be interesting to see how we all reacted but i dont think it is any worse than it was in years before we were winning a lot of games.

I suppose if anything at 2-2 and we might be looking up and not down but this has to be expected after what has gone on.

What is clear is that we are all still the same folk who were here before and we all still either have the same blind faith or dark side pessimism as before. The last coupld of defeats have been bad but i dont think there has been any kind of over reaction to them.

I can always get worse (yes i am the pessimist i spoke of).....Hell, I remember getting destoyed 38-0 in SDS by the Seahawks and it makes us look like a great team right now.

Onwards and upwards

 

[JeffGollin]

I'm not coming here for kool-aid, I'm coming for news and analysis. It's just getting harder to find amidst the hysteria....

I think the news of the day (reflected within this thread) is that Cardinal fans are full of hysteria.

(As, indeed, we should be).

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

I'm not coming here for kool-aid, I'm coming for news and analysis. It's just getting harder to find amidst the hysteria..

Not me man...I'm here for the chicks!