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I like JaVale McGee. He's big, he's got long arms and a big frame, he's athletic, and he's got basketball in his genes with parents who were players and are coaches. The only thing he lacks is maturity. He will be the steal of the draft if he goes where he is projected.
 

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RealGm updated their mock, Donte Greene this time...

He is intriguing, he could become an Horry type even a Turkoglu ... or even a Rashard Lewis...



With the current setup of the team, a "big" shooter would be okay...
 

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Another intriguing player

George Hill IUPUI, he didnt play against top talent obviously, but he can play.
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He's a 6-2, PG-SG combo who I think has a chance to be a solid NBA player
 

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Watching CDR play he reminds me alot of RIP Hamilton, not quite as dominate as RIP was in college, but very similar build and style. I think he would be a nice addition but if the Suns are looking to try and roll the dice and grab a super star type he is not the one, but if they want a solid team player that will give you RIP like production maybe a little less I think CDR is that type of player.
 

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Watching CDR play he reminds me alot of RIP Hamilton, not quite as dominate as RIP was in college, but very similar build and style. I think he would be a nice addition but if the Suns are looking to try and roll the dice and grab a super star type he is not the one, but if they want a solid team player that will give you RIP like production maybe a little less I think CDR is that type of player.

Kerr has said the Suns have a two year window, which is when Shaq and Nash come off contract. I can't seen them taking someone who cannot contribute in some way - NOW.
 

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Kerr has said the Suns have a two year window, which is when Shaq and Nash come off contract. I can't seen them taking someone who cannot contribute in some way - NOW.

i think you're right and i think that's a mistake. i think you need to take the player with the greatest potential upside. you get "contributors" with picks in the 20s, you try to hit homeruns with picks in the 1 - 16 range. it would be like drafting john wallace instead of steve nash (something both cheese and i advocated - oy!).
 

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i think you're right and i think that's a mistake. i think you need to take the player with the greatest potential upside. you get "contributors" with picks in the 20s, you try to hit homeruns with picks in the 1 - 16 range. it would be like drafting john wallace instead of steve nash (something both cheese and i advocated - oy!).

Yep I think Irish is right on the money, I am guessing the pick will be a low ceiling reach like Rush, Dorsey, Lee or Chalmers.
 

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i think you're right and i think that's a mistake. i think you need to take the player with the greatest potential upside. you get "contributors" with picks in the 20s, you try to hit homeruns with picks in the 1 - 16 range. it would be like drafting john wallace instead of steve nash (something both cheese and i advocated - oy!).

The challenge is guys like Chandler who doesn't get good until after his rookie contract. Diop rhymed with flop until his rookie contract was over. There are other examples out there, but the truth is that most really really good players are able to produce something in their first two years.

True projects simply don't produce early and end up as coach killers.
 

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I like JaVale McGee, but the "have to contribute now" player would probably be Budinger if we pick at 15. He would be a solid future replacement for Raja, and has the smarts and shooting ability to contribute now.

No, I am not an Arizona fan.
 

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I like JaVale McGee, but the "have to contribute now" player would probably be Budinger if we pick at 15. He would be a solid future replacement for Raja, and has the smarts and shooting ability to contribute now.

No, I am not an Arizona fan.

Budinger is the type of guy I'd be thrilled to get in the 2nd round, but infuriated if the Suns picked in the 1st round. Now he's obviously not going to last to the 2nd round, some idiot GM will pick him, I just hope its not Kerr. He's the type of guy you can get for cheap after his rookie deal is over and he may end up being a nice role player, but a mid first rounder just seems like to way too much to ask for him.
 

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Kerr and Lute/UA aren't exactly on the best of terms right now, saying he would make a Wildcat homer pick in Budinger who won't fit the new halfcourt system reeks of ignorance. Now the Suns would obviously draft Bayless at #15 but then again so would anyone with a brain.
 

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Budinger is the type of guy I'd be thrilled to get in the 2nd round, but infuriated if the Suns picked in the 1st round. Now he's obviously not going to last to the 2nd round, some idiot GM will pick him, I just hope its not Kerr. He's the type of guy you can get for cheap after his rookie deal is over and he may end up being a nice role player, but a mid first rounder just seems like to way too much to ask for him.

I would rather try to get JJ Redick in here before Budlinger. Budlinger is as soft as my hotel sheets and probably just as stained.
 

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I would rather try to get JJ Redick in here before Budlinger. Budlinger is as soft as my hotel sheets and probably just as stained.

I like CDR much more than Budlinger if the Suns go for a wing.

Change in subject, Draft Express did a piece on a late 2nd round prospect named Maarty Leunen. They have him at 25th in the 2nd round. Why bother? He's a 6'9" 220 guy who shot 49.2% for three at Oregon and still averaged 9.2 rpg. Here are some comments about his game.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Maarty-Leunen-476/

he’s shooting a career-best 46% from behind the arc thus far. His shot boasts a very quick release with good height and textbook form, while he isn’t phased when he has a defender’s hand in his face. Also, he regularly will step back to NBA three-point range, where his shot is just as effortless and effective.

As for the rest of Leunen’s offensive game, he relies heavily on a hybrid dribble-drive/post-up game, where he’ll put the ball on the floor from behind the arc, take his man down to the mid block, turn his back to the basket, and quickly go into a mini right-handed hook shot or a fade-away jumper. This works very well for Leunen, as he doesn’t have the strength to really back his man down in the post, and he doesn’t have the vertical explosiveness to take the ball to the basket and finish going into opposing defenders, so this method allows him to consistently score while not exposing his weaknesses. Leunen will also finish some of his dribble-drives on a right-handed floater in the lane, which he’s also effective with. Leunen’s ball-handling isn’t anything to write home about, but he does a good job getting past his man using the threat of his jump shot, and can go both right and left, though he heavily favors his left, despite being right-handed.

Leunen is also strong on the glass, where he consistently boxes out with good fundamentals and shows good timing and pursuit for rebounds. On the defensive end, Leunen also shows a good fundamental base in the post, and will really work to force the opposition into tough shots, but he’s prone to being beat by bigger and stronger opponents, as he can be backed down or shot over often. On the perimeter, Leunen also puts in a good effort and looks fairly competent when forced out there, but he can be beat here, too, by better athletes, and can be targeted on this end of the court in general, something that’d be even more of a problem at the next level.

Late 2nd round is where you can look for role players. The Suns have missed what TT brought to table in forcing opponents come out to defend a Suns big. The Suns cannot afford a shooting specialist who can't do anything else. As for limits on defense, the Suns have lived with that before and against some teams a big shooter would be a huge plus.
 

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leunen was a terrific college player just another guy sort of like Steve Novak who is a great shooter but cant' really defend a position. Leunen is too slow for SF and too small for PF he's a tweener but a terrific offensive player and a very hard working kid.

I think he'll be on someone's bench for several years because he works so hard.

What do people think of Ryan Anderson of Cal? I hear he's probably staying in school but he's an intriguing guy alot like Leunen except a bit bigger, has better range and might be a bit more athletic.

He's a really intriguing guy if he gets one year under Monty at Cal to help him defensively I think he could be a top 15 guy next year.
 

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leunen was a terrific college player just another guy sort of like Steve Novak who is a great shooter but cant' really defend a position. Leunen is too slow for SF and too small for PF he's a tweener but a terrific offensive player and a very hard working kid.

I think he'll be on someone's bench for several years because he works so hard.

What do people think of Ryan Anderson of Cal? I hear he's probably staying in school but he's an intriguing guy alot like Leunen except a bit bigger, has better range and might be a bit more athletic.

He's a really intriguing guy if he gets one year under Monty at Cal to help him defensively I think he could be a top 15 guy next year.

Draft Express shows Ryan Anderson early in the 2nd round. Even if he could do the job, I don't see him falling to where the Suns are picking and suspect there are a lot of other guys worth trading up for.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1727855

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Ryan Anderson is a prospect we’ve scouted at length throughout his freshman campaign, so his progress this year definitely warrants another look. Statistically, there are few players in the NCAA who are in the same league as Anderson -- shooting over 50% from the field, over 40% from the perimeter, and 80% from the foul line. The fact that the California Golden Bears are 10-3 even after embarking on their PAC-10 conference schedule, only has increased their and Anderson’s visibility.

On the offensive end, Anderson looks to be a more versatile player this year. For one, he is aggressively attacking the basket and using his ball-handling ability better to penetrate from the perimeter against opposing big men. He utilizes a combination of finesse and good footwork to get around defenders and get the ball into the basket. He’s just as good in the open court, doing a good job of putting the ball in the basket in transition.

His perimeter game is a very important part of his game, as he has become an even more prolific three-point shooter, at an even better percentage, this season. His release looks excellent, with a high release point and quick release, and his range extends all the way to the NBA three-point line. However, he seems to have fallen in love with his perimeter shot to a certain extent, at nearly 4.8 attempts per game.

When Anderson catches the ball in post, he is a little less reliable. He has good footwork, a soft touch, and good intelligence on the offensive end, but he too often finds himself trapped under the basket or turns into a double or triple team. While he is a very good passer out of the paint and has shown very nice awareness in the high post and on the perimeter, he frequently finds himself out of position on the low blocks and then is pressured into a bad shot or decision. This is a trend against big defenders such as Luke Nevill of Utah and Kevin Love of UCLA. While he does a very nice job of establishing position and posting up, once the ball gets into his hands, the results are not always as good.

On the defensive end, there are still some concerns about his potential at the next level. He has adequate feet in the post, and uses his length fairly well to guard opposing big men. Against quicker big men, he sometimes gets caught flat-footed trying to stay in front of his man, but for the most part he competes trying to defend the paint. With more upper body strength, though, he could be an even more effective defender in the post, because at this stage, he looks a little weak against bigger opponents. However, where he has trouble is when he has to cover opposing perimeter players. He is not the most athletic player and does not always close out fast enough on smaller players, lacking some lateral quickness here and not doing a great job defending pick and rolls. Some added awareness and intensity on this end of the floor would go a long ways in easing some of the concerns scouts have about his average athletic ability.

As proven by his 9.2 rebounds per game and his six double doubles in the past 13 games, Anderson is a solid rebounder, especially when you consider the monster he plays next to and has to share rebounds with. On the defensive end, he uses his size, terrific hands, and aggressiveness to grab rebounds. His ability to gain position on the offensive end translates into solid positioning for rebounds on the defensive end. Even though he is a very competent offensive rebounder, he still is too far away from the basket at times to make more of a difference on the offensive boards.

Anderson has made a lot of strides in his game since we last analyzed him. He has become an absolutely lights out shooter and a more aggressive player. He has also increased his effectiveness as a rebounder, despite the fact that he is playing with fellow rebounding machine Devon Hardin. Anderson has a skill set that is coveted in the NBA and with more improvements, combined with continued intensity, he will find himself playing at the next level sooner or later.
 

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One guy who seems to be creeping up in the draft mocks is Darrell Arthur of Kansas. Lots of questions and he's pretty skinny; but he may be a real Shawn Marion type player with more length.
 

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Arthur is more of an inside player than Marion. He's got a mid-range nice jumper and some athleticism. I think me may be a little undersized, but I like him. I was very high on him last year.
 

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Chad Ford has the Suns taking Donte Greene

Draft Projection: Lottery to mid first round

Similarities: Marvin Williams

Notes:
Donte Greene had an immediate impact in Syracuse.
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Greene has declared for the 2008 NBA draft, and has hired agent Bill Strickland, ending his college eligibility.

Averaged 18.4 points, 6.8 rebounds, 3.0 assists, 2.1 steals and 4.3 blocks
as a senior in 2006-07, helping Towson to a 32-6 record and to its second consecutive Maryland Interscholastic Athletic Association A Conference and Baltimore Catholic League titles.

Positives: A long, athletic jump shooter who can play both the 3 and 4. Excellent midrange game. Has improved his 3-point shooting -- though it's still streaky. Has the ability to put the ball on the floor and take his man to the basket. Explosive leaper. Has turned into a leader on his team. Solid rebounder.

Negatives: Needs to add strength. A bit of a tweener right now. Poor decision making and shot selection. Doesn't always look like he knows what he's doing out there.

Summary: Versatile forward got off to a hot start for Syracuse. He cooled a bit in the second half of the season, but scouts are still high on his long-term prospects. While he still needs to refine his game, there's no questioning that he's one of the best talents in the draft. A potential lottery pick.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-080520
 

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Minus the wingspan and defensive tenacity, but plus the shot creation and post play, he could be our next Marion.
 

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