Newton tonight

[D-Dogg]

The kid absolutely has ALL of the "PHYSICAL TOOLS" to be an NFL QB. That really can't even be debated. The question is mental.

Physical tools are overrated. Severely.

Fine, I incorrectly said physical tools but the rest of my post made it clear what I was talking about. Officer Obtuse. :dcr:

 

[Mulli]

Physical tools are overrated. Severely.

Fine, I incorrectly said physical tools but the rest of my post made it clear what I was talking about. Officer Obtuse. :dcr:

I was confused because you bolded "physical tools" in my post.

Why don't you answer private messages?

 

[Southpaw]

Go Ducks!

Don't care if Newton plays like god tonight, still don't want him in the NFL. What's the over/under on the number of camera isolation shots on Newton's father in the crowd. He'll probably be in an Auburn booster's rented skybox.

 

[Shane]

Why don't you answer private messages?

He doesn't answer texts either.

 

[D-Dogg]

So what physical tools doesn't he have? Are you saying he runs too well to be an NFL QB?

Once again, if his mind is right, Newt should be "gut".

You know what I meant. CAN he make the throws needed from an NFL QB against NFL quality defenses that aren't scared crapless of his running threat? I haven't seen it. That's not mental, it's physical skill. He's got the measurables, but the production as a QB is lacking.

What will display "his mind being right" to you Mulli? Specifically tonight, since you say it will show a lot tonight...how will he show "mental?" And are you seriously saying the combine will have some impact on mental? With the wonderjoke test? Please.

 

[82CardsGrad]

TB averages about 30-40 carries a year. Newt made some really awesome throws against Bama.

He made a few... But, as I recall, Geno Toretta made a few in his career at The U as well....

 

[Mulli]

You know what I meant. CAN he make the throws needed from an NFL QB against NFL quality defenses that aren't scared crapless of his running threat? I haven't seen it. That's not mental, it's physical skill. He's got the measurables, but the production as a QB is lacking.

What will display "his mind being right" to you Mulli? Specifically tonight, since you say it will show a lot tonight...how will he show "mental?" And are you seriously saying the combine will have some impact on mental? With the wonderjoke test? Please.

I really didn't. That is why I asked what you were talking about. No biggie. I think interviews and stuff should give a pretty good idea what kind of mind he has. Things we will never really here about.

You make good points about how difficult it can be to get a sense of whether a guy can read defenses and stuff.

EDIT: I think he could definitely show a lot abou himself tonight. Most likely, it will be if he panics under pressure and fails to show, what I like to call, true grit.

 

[Shane]

You know what I meant. CAN he make the throws needed from an NFL QB against NFL quality defenses that aren't scared crapless of his running threat? I haven't seen it. That's not mental, it's physical skill. He's got the measurables, but the production as a QB is lacking.

What will display "his mind being right" to you Mulli? Specifically tonight, since you say it will show a lot tonight...how will he show "mental?" And are you seriously saying the combine will have some impact on mental? With the wonderjoke test? Please.

Do you mean length of production? Because 2600 yards passing and 28 TD's is some damn good production?

 

[Shane]

You make good points about how difficult it can be to get a sense of whether a guy can read defenses and stuff.

Why do you always give in and say things like "I'm probably wrong" etc.. Have some conviction in your beliefs damn you!

 

[Mulli]

Why do you always give in and say things like "I'm probably wrong" etc.. Have some conviction in your beliefs damn you!

Because a lot of times, I just make stuff up.

 

[slinslin]

You know what I meant. CAN he make the throws needed from an NFL QB against NFL quality defenses that aren't scared crapless of his running threat? I haven't seen it. That's not mental, it's physical skill. He's got the measurables, but the production as a QB is lacking.

What will display "his mind being right" to you Mulli? Specifically tonight, since you say it will show a lot tonight...how will he show "mental?" And are you seriously saying the combine will have some impact on mental? With the wonderjoke test? Please.

Huh?

I would say it would be pretty much near impossible to throw any better than what he did this season.

How in the world can you say "his production as a QB is lacking"?

I'll say one thing, he sure as hell is a thousand times better than Derek Anderson. Stronger Arm, more accurate, bigger, stronger, faster and a winner.

If he fails in the NFL it can only be due to work ethic or a coach who has no idea how to maximize his skills.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Because a lot of times, I just make stuff up.

Oh.... I thought it had to do with my Geno Toretta reference!

 

[SuperSpck]

I like Wes Bunting's take:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Is-Cam-Newton-worthy-of-a-top10-pick.html

He’s got the tools and from that standpoint alone I would recommend 100 percent to take this guy in the top 10. However, as we have learned from in the past with guys like JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf and now with Vince Young, if you aren’t mentally grounded off the field and don’t have the passion to be great on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday in order to win on Sundays, then you will never live up to your God-given attributes in the NFL.

 

[D-Dogg]

Do you mean length of production? Because 2600 yards passing and 28 TD's is some damn good production?

Length. He's done it once. Not a lot of history on him.

His career rushing and passing yards are similar...1500 yards rushing, 2800 yards passing. 28 and 24 tds as a passer and rusher respectively.

The legs are the threat that gives him the passing yards, IMO. That doesn't translate to the NFL in the way people think it will. He's got a one favorite target, is a one read and run kind of QB and is exciting as hell to watch...in college.

 

[john h]

I can't wait to see the game tonight! Like him or not, Newton is the most exciting player in all of college football.

I'm an Alabama fan and it was painful to watch Newton will his Auburn team to victory, but impressive at the same time.

Arkansas fan. This is the best running QB I have ever seen and that includes Vick. He hit the Razaorbacks with something like 180 yds on the ground and we have a good defense. He has the moves of a Michael Vick but weighs about 40-50 lbs more. When he goes down he falls an additional 4 yds. A big arm but he requires a spy on him at all times. How all this will transfer to the NFL I do not know but the closest I can come is a young Donavan McNabb only taller. I still like Mallet but if it came down to it I would not be a homer and take Newton. I still think Mallet will be a good NFL player. Newton has the possibility to be a great NFL player, No matter who we take I think it should be a QB as there are several potental QBOTF that will be available. You have to take your shot when you get it to fill a need and forget about the best player available. Everyone and his brother knows we need a QB. I hope our management and Whiz clearly understand it. He is not going to materialize in the 2nd or 3rd round.

 

[D-Dogg]

Why do you always give in and say things like "I'm probably wrong" etc.. Have some conviction in your beliefs damn you!

Yeah Mulli, listen to Officer Obtuse.

Defend your position to the death. Shane does it and he's nearly always wrong.

 

[john h]

I don't see Oregon getting out front early. That is not their habit. They tend to start slow then really come on in the second half, just like they did against Stanford and their big QB. I think this will be one heck of a game though, and may just end up being the best College Finale in years.

The SEC has a habit of winning national championships. They are as close as you can get to the NFL. I think they take down Oregon by 14 or more points. They will be tough on defense. Very tough.

 

[Shane]

Yeah Mulli, listen to Officer Obtuse.

Defend your position to the death. Shane does it and he's nearly always wrong.

How can an opinion be wrong? :safe:

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

Oh.... I thought it had to do with my Geno Toretta reference!

You mean this guy?

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[D-Dogg]

Huh?

I would say it would be pretty much near impossible to throw any better than what he did this season.

Huh right back atcha. That isn't the most impressive passing season in college...luck passed better. Cam's super high passer rating came because of few attempts, given from his one read and run offense. He isn't looking downfield for plays, if it isn't there he tucks and runs. If it is, he passes to an open guy. Very deceptive stat, IMO.

How in the world can you say "his production as a QB is lacking"?

He's had one good year. His production IMO comes from the threat of his running ability, not his arm. That will be severely negated in the NFL. I want to see more QB skills, read multiple defenses, not run if the primary WR is covered, progress through reads and consistently make tight throws in traffic. Stuff he'll have to do in the NFL to succeed. I'm not sold on a tiny college season as being representative of the guy's potential in the NFL.

I'll say one thing, he sure as hell is a thousand times better than Derek Anderson. Stronger Arm, more accurate, bigger, stronger, faster and a winner.

No lie. Can't argue that at all.

If he fails in the NFL it can only be due to work ethic or a coach who has no idea how to maximize his skills.

it will be because NFL defenses will take away the run and force him to beat them through the air...and the windows are MUCH smaller in the NFL than in college.

 

[D-Dogg]

How can an opinion be wrong? :safe:

I don't know man, you are an enigma.

 

[82CardsGrad]

You mean this guy?

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Who??

 

[Buckybird]

I don't think he has the physical tools of an NFL QB - one read and run isn't the NFL prototype. He also doesn't have the body of work to overcome my fears. Scoring almost as many TDs rushing as passing isn't a stat that makes me excited for NFL success at QB.

Tonight isn't going to tell me anything about Cam that I don't already know, unless he suddenly hangs back in the pocket, buys time and throws several strikes all over the field, displaying touch and timing on all the throws. I doubt that's going to be the case though. If it is, then he won't make it to us at #5 and if he does grab him in a blink.

The combine isn't going to tell me anything about Cam that I don't know. He's a sleek, strong and fast guy with a good arm and a solid throwing motion. These are known qualities.

What will tell me something is when he runs a pro offense in the NFL against pro linebackers and dbs against a professional line rushing him. I don't think his style of play will succeed there, and it's a lot of gamble to hope it does.

Cam's a sick college football player, and will have a big game. Doesn't mean he should rocket up any draft board unless he does that crazy "hang in the pocket and dissect Oregon's D" thing.

Spot on Donald!!!

 

[desertdawg]

Go Ducks!

Don't care if Newton plays like god tonight, still don't want him in the NFL. What's the over/under on the number of camera isolation shots on Newton's father in the crowd. He'll probably be in an Auburn booster's rented skybox.

That is some hard core haterade.

 

[Mitch]

This game will come down to whether Auburn has schemed and conditioned properly to defend the Ducks' super fast run-run-and-gun. If Nick Fairley and company get gassed---this game is over no matter what Newton does.

I think the Oregon offense is the wave of the future in football---fast and furious with speed hitting you from every angle.

Football is morphing very quickly into a speed game...it's exhilarating and extremely difficult to defend because it forces you to keep your players on the field...you don't have any time to sub---thus, you'd better have your boys in shape and you'd better be able to match speed with speed.

My prediction: Oregon 36 Auburn 20.