NFC Best offseason thread

[desertdawg]

This offseason is jammin, the toughest division in football has some smart people in place to keep the West as the Best. Keim is no slouch, getting a LT early has prevented us from being blindsided by blindsiders like Jared Allen if he ends up in Seattle. That move would have crushed us, but now if goes greeon, we have a competent LT to put in his face. I am not current on my chicken speak, I read tweets and posts saying it would be hard for them to keep all the talent intact (between money and suspensions) and now they are in kahoots with a very expensive Jared Allen. If anyone has any input on the chickens, I'd love to hear it. I think our offseason is above theirs so far, but if they land Allen, it's back to par IMO.

The Lambs have a the 2nd and the 13th picks in the Draft. They've hinted they are willing to trade the 2nd pick, I see a team already stacked on defense but isn't mature enough as a whole to compete with the other 3 teams this year. If they draft right, they could be in the mix seriously as early as next year. But as far as the offseason goes, we are beating them like they stole something. Their draft will be better than ours, but we already have a complete team.

The whiners, their first offseason move was to possibly trade their coach. I don't see how a relationship recovers from that, that's gotta sting. They re-signed Q, that sucks for us because he has it out for us. The match up between him and Cro will be interesting to say the least, I'm glad we upgraded at that position and maybe that's one of the reasons we did, that and TE coverage as well. We draft a full 10 spots ahead of the in the first, but they have 2 picks in the second round. I think we have done more than they have so far.

No games to watch right now but there are many games being played right now. Keim has a reputation for handling things in certain ways but he can surprise at the same time. Which is good, if someone knows exactly what you will do than they can figure out exactly how to play you. The Ginn pick up speaks volumes as to Arians having a voice in the off season, the relationship these guys have is pretty far out. You would never see Keim try to sell Arians out the back door, our GM considers our HC an asset.

I have a tweet out to Urban asking if Kickalisciuos will competing against warm your heart Feely in camp this year. He must be at the club with Darnell as I have gotten no response. But we lost 2 games on our division last year partially due to missed FGs, and that saying it nicely.

 

[gmabel830]

We signed another young kicker in the off-season. Worked out Kickalicious but didn't sign him.

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[GatorAZ]

Seems like SF has 10 picks every year.

 

[desertdawg]

Seems like SF has 10 picks every year.

They have 2 picks in round 2 and 3.

 

[Cardiac]

They have 2 picks in round 2 and 3.

That's how you build a top notch team.

I want SK to trade back early and often and start getting extra picks for this year and next.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Signing Jared Allen would put their offseason on par with ours? On what planet Mars maybe, but the Seahawks have had a bad (but expected) offseason. They lost 3 defensive line, their best receiver from a year ago, their starting RT, their 2nd and 3rd best CBs.

IMO they are not even a Super Bowl contender right now.

 

[thephoenixson28]

Not to mention Bowman is out for the year.

 

[desertdawg]

Signing Jared Allen would put their offseason on par with ours? On what planet Mars maybe, but the Seahawks have had a bad (but expected) offseason. They lost 3 defensive line, their best receiver from a year ago, their starting RT, their 2nd and 3rd best CBs.

IMO they are not even a Super Bowl contender right now.

I asked for chicken information, not dawg disses butt head.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Signing Jared Allen would put their offseason on par with ours? On what planet Mars maybe, but the Seahawks have had a bad (but expected) offseason. They lost 3 defensive line, their best receiver from a year ago, their starting RT, their 2nd and 3rd best CBs.

IMO they are not even a Super Bowl contender right now.

you continue to get more ridiculous with your assessment of the Seahawks chances with every post.

they're not even Super Bowl contenders right now? They lost a mediocre WR and are getting back a dynamic WR who made ginormous plays in the playoffs. They lost some depth on the D line, but lamenting the loss of their "number 2 and 3 CB" who they won the Super Bowl without last year and showed that the secondary could be devastating without them is a completely specious argument. the idea that they're not even a contender right now is laughable.

 

[Jay Cardinal]

Signing Jared Allen would put their offseason on par with ours? On what planet Mars maybe, but the Seahawks have had a bad (but expected) offseason. They lost 3 defensive line, their best receiver from a year ago, their starting RT, their 2nd and 3rd best CBs.

IMO they are not even a Super Bowl contender right now.

They lost Golden Tate and Red Bryant. All others were either backups or outside the top 20 players. That is what happens when you when the Super Bowl. Your backups and weaker free agents get paid by the rest of the league.

Chris Clemons, Sidney Rice, Brandon Browner, Breno Giacomini, Walter Thurmond, etc. are not great players. Either past there prime or not worth the contracts they got. Both cornerbacks were suspended for drugs in the past.

They kept Michael Bennett and may add Jared Allen to the rest of that defense. They still have the offense largely in tact. Kept their amazing kicker. In what part of the game are you seeing the Seahawks falling apart?

 

[ajcardfan]

Signing Jared Allen would put their offseason on par with ours? On what planet Mars maybe, but the Seahawks have had a bad (but expected) offseason. They lost 3 defensive line, their best receiver from a year ago, their starting RT, their 2nd and 3rd best CBs.

IMO they are not even a Super Bowl contender right now.

Hey, I want you to be correct, but I just don't see how they are slipping as badly as you think they are. The Hags have a very deep roster and they will be a bitch to beat in Seattle or on the road.

 

[Krangodnzr]

you continue to get more ridiculous with your assessment of the Seahawks chances with every post.

they're not even Super Bowl contenders right now? They lost a mediocre WR and are getting back a dynamic WR who made ginormous plays in the playoffs. They lost some depth on the D line, but lamenting the loss of their "number 2 and 3 CB" who they won the Super Bowl without last year and showed that the secondary could be devastating without them is a completely specious argument. the idea that they're not even a contender right now is laughable.

They lost Golden Tate and Red Bryant. All others were either backups or outside the top 20 players. That is what happens when you when the Super Bowl. Your backups and weaker free agents get paid by the rest of the league.

Chris Clemons, Sidney Rice, Brandon Browner, Breno Giacomini, Walter Thurmond, etc. are not great players. Either past there prime or not worth the contracts they got. Both cornerbacks were suspended for drugs in the past.

They kept Michael Bennett and may add Jared Allen to the rest of that defense. They still have the offense largely in tact. Kept their amazing kicker. In what part of the game are you seeing the Seahawks falling apart?

Hey, I want you to be correct, but I just don't see how they are slipping as badly as you think they are. The Hags have a very deep roster and they will be a bitch to beat in Seattle or on the road.

Can any of you tell me the snap count break down of Seattle's d line off the top of your head? I say this because I can. They pretty much evenly rotated every player with Michael Bennett having the most with 57% pt. They thrived on maintaining lower snap counts for their defensive line, keeping lesser players fresh so they could play harder. Of course this situation was created since they hadn't really paid anyone yet and now that they have to pay all these players, they are losing the depth that they had last year.

What that means is that losing major contributors, Bryant (their best run defender), Clemons (solid pass rusher, especially in the playoffs), and McDonald (best interior pass rusher), will have an effect on their team. Who are the next guys up? Jordan Hill, Jesse Williams, and Greg Scruggs, completely unproven players. T

hey will have to sign Jared Allen just for this trade off to be considered even a side grade move, and that's a stretch. Seattle's defensive line is emphatically worse, and as good as the "legion of boom is considered", they still thrived on the pressure generated by the defensive line.

Are you smoking crack Cheesy? Golden Tate is not a mediocre receiver. His numbers were deflated by a lackluster passing game overall, and he would have easily put up pretty good numbers in a good passing game. He was one of the league leaders in YAC since he's kind of a RB playing receiver. I hate Golden Tate and think the dude is a punk, but he's a really good player. Also he's a near elite punt returner so there is that too.

And to count on Percy Harvin who basically only played in the Super Bowl is ridiculous. Percy Harvin is also not a great outside receiver, and makes most of his big plays in the slot or in motion. He's a heck of a player, but he doesn't create the outside match ups that Golden Tate does, who has had more success as an outside guy than Tate does.

We also didn't cover losing Giacomini (starting RT) and Paul McQuistin (starting LG/key backup). Their offensive line wasn't good last year, and they will have to make some kind of move just to bring it back to mediocre level.

Losing Browner and Thurmond is a loss of quality depth, no matter how you slice it. Both are very good football players.

You have to remember I live up here in Suckhawk land, and while they have this cockiness about their team, they also are getting a bit worried. I think Seattle will be a very good football team this year, but will be outside of the top four teams at best.

I think the Cardinals have made significant strides on the Niners/Seahawks in the NFC West in the past year, and barring a good draft, could surpass the Seahawks for #2 in the NFC West this year. The Niners will be the class of the NFC West after a one year/one Kaepernick miscue away from leading the West.

If we have a draft with 2-3 impact rookies, I wouldn't be shocked at the Cardinals being the best in the NFC West. It's like Keim (correctly) stated, this team is 2-3 players on both sides of the ball away from really competing in the NFC West. I think we added 2 (possibly 3 if Carlson/Dwyer pan out) and lost one. The draft and post draft free agency will make the difference.

 

[BigRedRage]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/113091/kaps-contract-status-clear-hes-getting-paid


Give him 25 million!

 

[Krangodnzr]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/113091/kaps-contract-status-clear-hes-getting-paid


Give him 25 million!

Quite significant to Seattle as well since Russell Wilson will probably get more based on team success, even though I'd rather have Kaepernick overall.

The local Seattle talk radio is coming to grips, admitting they're not as good a football team right now compared with a month ago.

They pretty much assumed that Jared Allen was in the bag, and now they are at a loss to answer how the team is going to replace the production of Bryant, Clemons, and McDonald.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Are you smoking crack Cheesy? Golden Tate is not a mediocre receiver. His numbers were deflated by a lackluster passing game overall, and he would have easily put up pretty good numbers in a good passing game.

Okay Krang. I guess if you say so, he's a a really good player...even though he's never shown the ability to be a difference maker in the league. But, you say so, so how can I argue with that?

He was one of the league leaders in YAC since he's kind of a RB playing receiver. I hate Golden Tate and think the dude is a punk, but he's a really good player. Also he's a near elite punt returner so there is that too.

And to count on Percy Harvin who basically only played in the Super Bowl is ridiculous.

it's ridiculous? You make it sound like he can never depended on, when the truth is, he got hurt near in the second half of the 2012 season and thus missed most of the 2013 season, like a lot of players would. And then the second he got back on the field, he was the exact same explosive, dynamic force that he had been.

And previous to 2012, He played in 14, 15 and 16 games. Hardly a guy you can't count on.

Percy Harvin is also not a great outside receiver, and makes most of his big plays in the slot or in motion. He's a heck of a player, but he doesn't create the outside match ups that Golden Tate does, who has had more success as an outside guy than Tate does.

give me the advantage Harvin has in the slot and returning the ball over Tate on the outside and returning the ball any day of the week. Anyone would take that.

We also didn't cover losing Giacomini (starting RT) and Paul McQuistin (starting LG/key backup). Their offensive line wasn't good last year, and they will have to make some kind of move just to bring it back to mediocre level.

those guys were mediocre at best...and Paul McQuistin? Dude's a complete never was. Is their O-line suspect? yup...but it was completely suspect last year and it didn't keep them from the best record in the league and winning the super bowl. Throw in the fact that Okung was injured all last year and has had a full year to recover and as bad as that O-line was, it probably stays at the same point it was last year.

Losing Browner and Thurmond is a loss of quality depth, no matter how you slice it. Both are very good football players.

no matter how you slice it they Seahawks showed their secondary can be dominant without them. neither of them played the last 9 games of the season.

You have to remember I live up here in Suckhawk land, and while they have this cockiness about their team, they also are getting a bit worried. I think Seattle will be a very good football team this year, but will be outside of the top four teams at best.

I think the Cardinals have made significant strides on the Niners/Seahawks in the NFC West in the past year, and barring a good draft, could surpass the Seahawks for #2 in the NFC West this year. The Niners will be the class of the NFC West after a one year/one Kaepernick miscue away from leading the West.

If we have a draft with 2-3 impact rookies, I wouldn't be shocked at the Cardinals being the best in the NFC West. It's like Keim (correctly) stated, this team is 2-3 players on both sides of the ball away from really competing in the NFC West. I think we added 2 (possibly 3 if Carlson/Dwyer pan out) and lost one. The draft and post draft free agency will make the difference.

meanwhile, we still have to replace a RT and with a possible suspension of Washington coming, we might be without three superstars (Washington, Dansby and HB...don't fool yourself into thinking he's going to be healthy until late in the year) on D next year for a decent amount of time...and yet, we've passed the team that won 3 more games then us and the Super Bowl? I mean, you bring up the fact that we could get 2-3 impact rookies, but don't the Seahawks get to draft too?