Obtainable Point Guards this off-season

[devilalum]

Only problem is the Pels don't even want the Lakers #4. Why would they want the #6?

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[Yuma]

Only problem is the Pels don't even want the Lakers #4. Why would they want the #6?

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The thinking is the four and the 6 would help. Gambo keeps shooting this down because it's essentially the 6 for Ball, and he says his sources in the Suns say the Suns won't do a Ball for the 6th pick. This trade keeps boomeranging back to life every day.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nb...ons-for-being-so-quiet-this-summer/ar-AACN7kb


But isn't it always an underwhelming offseason? The only time we got excited is when Barkley and Nash joined, then when Amare and Ayton were drafted. Even the Nash and Amare events weren't that awesome the moment they happened. I'm not expecting much from a #6 pick, I mean we got a #1 pick that didn't move our needle much. Aside from a big name signing, I'm not expecting much.

I completely disagree. Under Jerry back in the day there were pretty regular big offseasons. Some failed but there were seemingly always moves trying to get substantially better.

The mcdyess acquisition

The manning and toad ale off-season

The ac green offseason

The hot rod trade

The joe Johnson trade

And even under Sarver moves like the raja bell acquisition and the Kurt acquisition

For those teams, at those times, those were big offseasons. This team, now, needs a pg and pf. And we are likely to come away with a Rubio or Beverley (at best - who knows we could even whiff on those guys), a relatively unathletic combo guard at 6 and maybe no PF. That’s depressing.

 

[AzStevenCal]

For those teams, at those times, those were big offseasons. This team, now, needs a pg and pf. And we are likely to come away with a Rubio or Beverley (at best - who knows we could even whiff on those guys), a relatively unathletic combo guard at 6 and maybe no PF. That’s depressing.

I thought you were predicting "underwhelming" but this is a step below what I'd consider underwhelming. So, I guess I am a little more hopeful than you. While I don't expect a game changing PG or PF, I do expect our roster to improve in depth and positional coverage.

 

[GatorAZ]

Rubio is the highest IQ PG available but he’s still just a guy. His +/- stats with the Jazz were pretty bad last year and wasn’t a great fit with Mitchell which would be similar to his fit with Booker... Two of the guys Gambo pointed are getting 10-12m over 2-3 years; Beverly, Collison, neither of which are significant upgrades over due to age or injury concerns. If we sign one of them we’d have over 30m tied up in mediocre PG’s. I think Gambo is right in their plan to draft White and have him takeover the starting role in 2020. If Melton can be a reliable shooter he’s be an excellent backup by then.

 

[Yuma]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26965007/kemba-take-less-stay-hornets

Kemba Walker would take less to stay with the Hornets. FWIW

 

[SunnyBaller]

Rubio is the highest IQ PG available but he’s still just a guy. His +/- stats with the Jazz were pretty bad last year and wasn’t a great fit with Mitchell which would be similar to his fit with Booker... Two of the guys Gambo pointed are getting 10-12m over 2-3 years; Beverly, Collison, neither of which are significant upgrades over due to age or injury concerns. If we sign one of them we’d have over 30m tied up in mediocre PG’s. I think Gambo is right in their plan to draft White and have him takeover the starting role in 2020. If Melton can be a reliable shooter he’s be an excellent backup by then.

10 million a year year for 2-3 years isn't even remotely bad for a quality starting PG , both of those guys are better then okobo and Melton combined, I hope the sun's just pick best player on there board preferable Hunter or trade back maybe with the Celtics since they don't want that many rookies. This isn't a good draft for point guards and you'd be better off just getting one of those vets until a better option presents itself. The more I look at white the less I want him

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I thought you were predicting "underwhelming" but this is a step below what I'd consider underwhelming. So, I guess I am a little more hopeful than you. While I don't expect a game changing PG or PF, I do expect our roster to improve in depth and positional coverage.

Yeah I think my expectations are cratering at a rapid pace.

 

[Mainstreet]

Yeah I think my expectations are cratering at a rapid pace.

The Suns should be significantly improved this coming season if Jones addresses the point guard and power forward positions and keeps Oubre. They need not to be stars... just solid players.

I'm counting on Ayton, Booker, Bridges and Oubre to be improved players as well. If not, the Suns risk losing Booker later on. Jones has to know this.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah I think my expectations are cratering at a rapid pace.

I expect them to add a couple of reasonably competent players and I'm ignoring the fact I was confident we'd trade for a starting PG last season.

 

[Sunburn]

I'm very optimistic we will see marked improvement. I mean our issues aren't complicated. We need a PG and a PF desperately. Pretty much anything is an improvement but I'm quite excited by the possibilities. I'd be thrilled at drafting a PG and signing Randle. I'd be thrilled with signing Brogdon and drafting a PF. I'd be excited trading for a PG and signing a PF. Our pick alone to me is exciting. I think this draft has been crapped on so much for lack of talent that it's becoming underrated. There is legitimate talent in this draft.

 

[Proximo]

I'm very optimistic we will see marked improvement. I mean our issues aren't complicated. We need a PG and a PF desperately. Pretty much anything is an improvement but I'm quite excited by the possibilities. I'd be thrilled at drafting a PG and signing Randle. I'd be thrilled with signing Brogdon and drafting a PF. I'd be excited trading for a PG and signing a PF. Our pick alone to me is exciting. I think this draft has been crapped on so much for lack of talent that it's becoming underrated. There is legitimate talent in this draft.

So we are hearing we may draft white, sign Corey Joseph, and sign Dedmon.

Would you actually be satisfied with that offseason?

I think we would be slightly improved, but that is very underwhelming from what I was expecting.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The Suns should be significantly improved this coming season if Jones addresses the point guard and power forward positions and keeps Oubre. They need not to be stars... just solid players.

I'm counting on Ayton, Booker, Bridges and Oubre to be improved players as well. If not, the Suns risk losing Booker later on. Jones has to know this.

See i think the “if” are three BIG “IF”s. Even just signing solid players. I mean, for all intents and purposes they shouldn’t be BIG if’s but it shouldn’t have been virtually impossible to find a pg last offseason either and . . . welp . . .

And allow me to clarify - I said underwhelming expectations for the offseason. I’m actually mildly optimistic about next season. I think we could see something like the following:

• Monty coaching +3-4 games
• Improved health +3-4 games
• Growth of young players +2-4 games

So I see a baseline improvement of 8-12 games. If we:

• Sign a competent pg +1-3 games
• Sign a competent pf +1-3 games
• Draft a talented rookie who can play +1-3 games

So we could ostensibly win from 8-17 more this season. That means anywhere from 27-36 wins. Of course we are the suns so likely demerit 2-5 games. So realistically I think we go anywhere from 25-31 wins next season.

 

[1Sun]

So we are hearing we may draft white, sign Corey Joseph, and sign Dedmon.

Would you actually be satisfied with that offseason?

I think we would be slightly improved, but that is very underwhelming from what I was expecting.

White is years away from contributing and really is no further at this point than Okobo or Melton. Looking more closely at his numbers, Joseph is actually potentially a step below Okobo and Melton. Dedmon would be an upgrade on Holmes, but not much.

In my opinion, that offseason moves the needle backwards and confirms that the front office of Sarver/Bower/Jones is no better than the front office of Sarver/McDonough/Jones.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

. I think this draft has been crapped on so much for lack of talent that it's becoming underrated. There is legitimate talent in this draft.

Cheese and I were talking last night and I threw out this possibility. Other teams and fans may not be as down on these players and the draft as we are bc (1) they didn’t fall from perhaps #2 to #6 so their disappointment isn’t as great as ours. And they might be seeking wings, and there are some good wings. Not so much pg’s and pf’s Our needs.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So we are hearing we may draft white, sign Corey Joseph, and sign Dedmon.

Would you actually be satisfied with that offseason?

I think we would be slightly improved, but that is very underwhelming from what I was expecting.

Lol, that would be even underwhelming from what I’m expecting. I’d adjust my previous “improvement prediction” to 22-28 wins. And be depressed.

 

[Mainstreet]

See i think the “if” are three BIG “IF”s. Even just signing solid players. I mean, for all intents and purposes they shouldn’t be BIG if’s but it shouldn’t have been virtually impossible to find a pg last offseason either and . . . welp . . .

And allow me to clarify - I said underwhelming expectations for the offseason. I’m actually mildly optimistic about next season. I think we could see something like the following:

• Monty coaching +3-4 games
• Improved health +3-4 games
• Growth of young players +2-4 games

So I see a baseline improvement of 8-12 games. If we:

• Sign a competent pg +1-3 games
• Sign a competent pf +1-3 games
• Draft a talented rookie who can play +1-3 games

So we could ostensibly win from 8-17 more this season. That means anywhere from 27-36 wins. Of course we are the suns so likely demerit 2-5 games. So realistically I think we go anywhere from 25-31 wins next season.

I think your reasoning is valid but I'm counting on having a point guard to have a multiplier effect.

Booker, Ayton, Bridges and Oubre are much more with a point guard. Then there is the thing of the Suns actually having a power forward as well plus depth. The Suns have been running on 2-3 cylinders without help at these positions.

 

[1Sun]

I think your reasoning is valid but I'm counting on having a point guard to have a multiplier effect.

Booker, Ayton, Bridges and Oubre are much more with a point guard. Then there is the thing of the Suns actually having a power forward as well plus depth. The Suns have been running on 2-3 cylinders without help at these positions.

In my opinion, along the lines of this reasoning, a legitimate NBA point guard adds at least 10 wins just by himself. Of course, that being said, I am now expecting the Suns not to pick up a legitimate NBA point guard (and no, Cory Joseph is not a legitimate NBA point guard, and Coby White won't potentially be one until at least 2021-22, if not later).

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I think your reasoning is valid but I'm counting on having a point guard to have a multiplier effect.

Booker, Ayton, Bridges and Oubre are much more with a point guard. Then there is the thing of the Suns actually having a power forward as well plus depth. The Suns have been running on 2-3 cylinders without help at these positions.

The multiplier effect is the reason I see ranges of added wins for each of the categories.

 

[Mainstreet]

The multiplier effect is the reason I see ranges of added wins for each of the categories.

The Suns can not be on perpetual... wait until next season mode.

If so, Booker is likely gone and they switch to rebuild mode again. As a fan, it will be difficult to accept.

They have a chance to change gears by adding to their core of Ayton, Oubre, Booker and Bridges. What they have to do is demonstrate they have turned the corner this season but that means wins.

 

[Mainstreet]

In my opinion, along the lines of this reasoning, a legitimate NBA point guard adds at least 10 wins just by himself. Of course, that being said, I am now expecting the Suns not to pick up a legitimate NBA point guard (and no, Cory Joseph is not a legitimate NBA point guard, and Coby White won't potentially be one until at least 2021-22, if not later).

It may have to be something like Rubio, Johnson and White at point guard. I'm not settled on Rubio, it's an example.

 

[AzStevenCal]

So we are hearing we may draft white, sign Corey Joseph, and sign Dedmon.

Would you actually be satisfied with that offseason?

I think we would be slightly improved, but that is very underwhelming from what I was expecting.

I just don't see us signing a Rich Paul client but with our GM's connection to Lebron I guess it's conceivable. I don't know that he's much of an improvement over Melton though but at least your scenario leaves room for hopefully re-signing Oubre. White is the poster boy for boom or bust, maybe a slight edge to the boom side.

 

[Sunburn]

So we are hearing we may draft white, sign Corey Joseph, and sign Dedmon.

Would you actually be satisfied with that offseason?

I think we would be slightly improved, but that is very underwhelming from what I was expecting.

I know Dedmon isn't a sexy name but he's actually a pretty good player and light years better than what we have. He checks a lot of boxes for us from the PF position, rebounds the ball well, shoots the 3 well, and plays good defense. Yes, I'd be excited to see what White can do. He has bust potential but he also checks a lot of boxes for us. Good 3 point shooter, can play on or off ball, good size, and defensive potential. Cojo is a great defender, something we need next to Booker in my opinion, and, again, light years better than what we've had. Not my ideal outcome but I'd be excited. I think people are forgetting, we don't really need stars. We have an alpha scorer in Booker and a secondary guy in Ayton that we can dump the ball down low to. What we need is defense, 3pt shooting, and role players. Get that and I think we'll see a vastly improved team.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The Suns can not be on perpetual... wait until next season mode.

If so, Booker is likely gone and they switch to rebuild mode again. As a fan, it will be difficult to accept.

They have a chance to change gears by adding to their core of Ayton, Oubre, Booker and Bridges. What they have to do is demonstrate they have turned the corner this season but that means wins.

I agree. But wanting to do something and actually being capable of doing something are two different things.

 

[1Sun]

It may have to be something like Rubio, Johnson and White at point guard. I'm not settled on Rubio, it's an example.

Johnson is not a point guard, period. I am okay with White at 6 as long as we get a veteran point guard to start ahead of him, and we long as we bring White along slowly. I would prefer Collison or Beverley over Rubio, but I begrudgingly could live with Rubio (who is at least a legitimate NBA point guard, albeit a below average one) over the likes of Cory Joseph and TJ McConnell (who in my opinion are not legitimate NBA point guards).