Obtainable Point Guards this off-season

[Chaplin]

Is that people on this board or rumors?

Definitely not reddit, but I don’t remember where I saw it. Sorry.

 

[Yuma]

Both I think have the same number of years left on their contracts. So it would be PG/SG for SF/PF.

 

[GatorAZ]

Why not?

I just don’t see Marks doing us a favor for the hell of it. Dinwiddie has more value than Warren.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I wouldn't hate doing a trade down with Atlanta now that they have the 17th pick to pair with 8 or 10. Maybe they love someone and the Suns could swap 6 and 32 for 8 and 17?

 

[SunnyBaller]

They have two max slots now, speculation is KD just wants to be in New York so nets could get him and Kyrie and that means DLo is available

 

[Yuma]

I just don’t see Marks doing us a favor for the hell of it. Dinwiddie has more value than Warren.

I guess I am the opposite on this one. Dinwiddie is a back up point guard. Warren is a stretch 3 or stretch 4. Those guys are supposed to be what everyone is looking for.

 

[Raindog]

Yeah, Dinwiddie's trade value starts to fall precipitously the moment the Nets sign Irving (assuming that happens, of course). The rumor is they plan to pair Irving and Russell in the back court, so Dinwiddie is odd man out and they have to move him. Not to mention he sounds none to happy about the rumblings of Nets pursuing Irving.

 

[Raze]

2018-2019 PER

Dinwiddie: 16.32
Warren: 16.36
Joe Harris: 13.56 (Their starting SF last year. Probably moves to SG now that Crabbe is gone.)
Taurean Prince: 11.99

The Nets might see it as improving their starting SF position while lessening an overpaid back up spot. It's a trade that could be great for both teams.

 

[elindholm]

I don’t know that I’ve stated my preference of one over the other. But I suppose I’d push cones to shove I think I go rose. Maybe decency bias with rose having played 50+ to 12 games last season and rose having put up 18pts/game with pretty good percentages.

Seems reasonable. My impression is that Rose has gotten a fair amount of attention on this thread while Thomas hasn't even been mentioned, so that made me curious.

 

[elindholm]

Yeah, Dinwiddie's trade value starts to fall precipitously the moment the Nets sign Irving (assuming that happens, of course).

A player's trade value is set by the market for him, not his status with his current team.

 

[1Sun]

I'll take Dinwiddie starting at point guard 100 times out of 100 over Tyler Johnson.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'll take Dinwiddie starting at point guard 100 times out of 100 over Tyler Johnson.

Most of us would. But we have Tyler and we don't have Dinwiddie. I think he'd be a step up for us over Tyler but not a huge step up.

 

[Raindog]

A player's trade value is set by the market for him, not his status with his current team.

Except when everyone knows a team has to move a guy because there is no spot for him and/or he is disgruntled.

Eric Bledsoe, just for one example.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Except when everyone knows a team has to move a guy because there is no spot for him and/or he is disgruntled.

Eric Bledsoe, just for one example.

I think that was the market speaking about an undersized point guard with bad knees, an upcoming contract negotiation and Rich Paul to boot.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don’t know that I’ve stated my preference of one over the other. But I suppose I’d push cones to shove I think I go rose. Maybe decency bias with rose having played 50+ to 12 games last season and rose having put up 18pts/game with pretty good percentages.

Man auto “correct” really did a number on that post.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Man auto “correct” really did a number on that post.

I especially liked the "decency bias".

 

[Yuma]

There's 19 million reasons to love Tyler Johnson!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I especially liked the "decency bias".

I’d push cones to shove. Any day of the week, baby!

 

[Hoop Head]

What worries me about Derrick Rose isn't so much that he has trouble staying healthy but he's taken time off in each of the last 3 seasons for "personal reasons" and I'm not sure we can afford to have a PG that will disappear like that. I couldn't find any info on those personal reasons and I won't dig that much for answers unless we do sign him but he doesn't seem to be all that interested in competing anymore. He seems to enjoy playing but having fun playing and competing for the postseason or more is different. We need guys who want to win and play to win in each game they take the floor in.

If Rose signed for the league minimum then I guess that would be fine because we could always let him go but he should be like option #10, just ahead of going into next season with Tyler Johnson and Melton as our PG's.

 

[elindholm]

Except when everyone knows a team has to move a guy because there is no spot for him and/or he is disgruntled.

Eric Bledsoe, just for one example.

No, if multiple teams want the player, the price will set itself. Bledsoe got a poor return because he isn't very good, and the other 29 teams in the league knew that.

If a player isn't getting along with his current team because he has attitude issues in general, that lowers his value. Bledsoe fell into that category, as would Cousins. But a player's trade value does not change just because a personnel move on his own team makes him redundant. Teams willing to compete for his services before are still competing against one another to make a deal happen, not against the player's current team.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No, if multiple teams want the player, the price will set itself. Bledsoe got a poor return because he isn't very good, and the other 29 teams in the league knew that.

If a player isn't getting along with his current team because he has attitude issues in general, that lowers his value. Bledsoe fell into that category, as would Cousins. But a player's trade value does not change just because a personnel move on his own team makes him redundant. Teams willing to compete for his services before are still competing against one another to make a deal happen, not against the player's current team.

Agree 100%. People on the cards board didn’t get this either when Rosen was being shopped. If two teams want a player it becomes a bidding war up to the point one team says “not worth more than my last bid.” It’s nit like two teams want a player and make an agreement with each other not to bid higher bc the seller has a surplus.

 

[elindholm]

Agree 100%. People on the cards board didn’t get this either when Rosen was being shopped. If two teams want a player it becomes a bidding war up to the point one team says “not worth more than my last bid.” It’s nit like two teams want a player and make an agreement with each other not to bid higher bc the seller has a surplus.

What may confuse people is that a team is more willing to move a player for his value once it's clear that they no longer need or want him. In the Bledsoe case, this board had an absurdly exaggerated opinion of him, and it's possible that the Suns themselves were similarly overrating him. So any possible attempts to trade him would have failed for the lack of a partner willing to pay the Suns' price. Once they had to move him, they traded him at market value -- which looked like a discount only because the previous price had been unrealistically high.

 

[JCSunsfan]

What may confuse people is that a team is more willing to move a player for his value once it's clear that they no longer need or want him. In the Bledsoe case, this board had an absurdly exaggerated opinion of him, and it's possible that the Suns themselves were similarly overrating him. So any possible attempts to trade him would have failed for the lack of a partner willing to pay the Suns' price. Once they had to move him, they traded him at market value -- which looked like a discount only because the previous price had been unrealistically high.

It was about timing too. Bledsoe forced a trade AFTER most teams had already solidified their roster for the year. He basically forced an after Christmas sale. Market value is determined by how many buyers are looking AT THE TIME and how willing the seller is to part with his product.

 

[Raindog]

Regardless, the knowledge that a team has to move a player for whatever reason makes him less valuable than if they don't have to. We have seen that play out up close and personal countless times here up in recent years. It's a simple reality of economics and marketplaces.

 

[Yuma]

Sam Vecenie of the Athletic is reporting feeling around the league is the Suns prefer a veteran PG either via trade or free agency. If Garland fell to 6 he would still be the pick. However there are mixed signals around the league if the Suns would move the pick at 6.