Offensive Line: Post-Cooper Trade

[TJ]

Mayock thought DJ could start immediately at RT:

That is not what he said on NFL Network.

He specifically mentioned that Massie would finish out the year at RT, sign elsewhere, and DJ would start at RT in 2016.

No one ever felt that DJ would supplant Massie in 2015.

 

[Shane]

Mayock thought DJ could start immediately at RT:

To be fair that in no way says immediately...

 

[Cheesebeef]

Thank you.

Perhaps, I should've been less lazy and just dug that up, since this board seems to think I talk out of my ass.

that doesn't say redshirt. that says backup... as in actually BACK UP those guys, and to backup those guys, you need to be on the active roster... which he never was. You told someone else that they didn't know what "redshirt" means, but do you even know it means? It means that person is never going to play that year. That's a far cry from backing up the starting tackles, IMO.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

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[TJ]

that doesn't say redshirt. that says backup... as in actually BACK UP those guys, and to backup those guys, you need to be on the active roster... which he never was. You told someone else that they didn't know what "redshirt" means, but do you even know it means? It means that person is never going to play that year. That's a far cry from backing up the starting tackles, IMO.

Why on earth would you ask me that?

Yes I do, and so does my boy Bruce Arians, who apparently agrees with me. I guess people on here like arguing/complaining for the sake of arguing/complaining.

Hot damn, why am I even defending DJ? I don't even like him and I didn't like the pick, at all.

 

[Cardiac]

LIAC, so during the draft press conference the HC who always is preaching competition says there will be a competition. Hardly damning evidence since ~ two weeks later BA says he expects DJ to be a back up.

I honestly think we are all splitting hairs at this point. I'm sure BA would have preferred if DJ won the starting job or even got a helmet on game day. Things unfolded as they did and BA handled it like he does and now we will see.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

You said you heard it from BA VERBATIM: that is a bold statement with no resource.

 

[cardncubfan]

Then again, a slow start for a rookie tackle isn’t altogether surprising. Humphries is only 21 years old, and was told before the draft he’d be better served to stay in school one more year. It’s not like the Cardinals overdrafted him – there was a great chance the Panthers were set to choose him one slot later had the Cards not called his name – but there was always the feeling Humphries was raw.

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...umphries/edca28eb-d41d-4632-8c82-3991a63cd70e

For Humphries, the athleticism has not been questioned, although he is a natural left tackle. He has had to learn how to play the right side, and has needed to mature on the NFL level, to understand the focus that comes with the job.

Interestingly, defensive tackle Calais Campbell said Humphries has made him a better player with a quickly improving Humphries on the scout team – playing left tackle

http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...n-Cooper/c49b7de4-eb87-4571-a952-37530f4f1dbe

Tons of articles on the Cards site supporting both arguments.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Then why are your "well-respected, well-informed" posters having a tough time catching up in this discussion?

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showpost.php?p=3311456&postcount=75

I'm trying to be as nice as possible, but when the facts are there in black-and-white, and you choose to ignore them or spin them to fit your own narrative, umm, how "well-informed" are you, honestly?



I don't go dumpster-diving for links when someone asks. I don't lie or twist facts to make an argument. Frankly, I don't need to.

This is not a thesis or dissertation in which I have to cite my sources. Especially in this situation, in which I've been step-for-step with the coaching staff for quite a while in my discussions.

I'm clearly not in your "well-informed, well-respected" category, but those who at least read and comprehend my posts know that the last thing I do is BS to make a point.

I'm not saying you're making things up, but rather you've been taken by the post-season bs fed to us by the team.

Look, I know from reading the UofA board that you're a die-hard homer (in my opinion to a fault). You buy everything your favorite teams tell you. I wish I had your outlook. I honestly do. But my eyes tell me differently.

You're trying to make an argument. You can't say you're not. You are arguing a point. In so doing you are relying on your memory about alleged comments prior to the season about "red shirting." Your opponents in this argument are blasting you with QUOTES that are COMPLETELY counter to your alleged comments. Is it too much to ask that you back up your allegations with some . . . you know . . . facts? And not post-season comments because hindsight is 20-20 and really just spin. I have yet to see the redshirt comment immediately post draft and from all the quotes cheese just threw out there it's obvious redshirt wasn't the intent.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So why would Mayock, who was the only one to nail the pick and the future considerations for the player, indicate in May that the team's intention was to redshirt him?

You can choose to reject what's being said above, but as I said in May and I'm saying again: the team never planned on playing him this season. Anything beyond that is fluff.

How in the world can you account for cheeses quotes then???

And you know, Mayock's role is draft analyst. What he says is likely conjecture. And if he said "redshirt" he could very well have meant that they drafted him with no intent of starting him for a year. That doesn't mean they didn't want him to develop as a backup. Or be ready to play during the year. You know that the pros, unlike college, has no benefit to a player not suiting up for a year? In fact it just wastes a year of paying him rookie scale. Sorry to be snarky there, but I'm just incredulous that you continue to argue your point with the avalanche of evidence against you.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Hmmm---let's evaluate:

I maintained the same dialogue before Arians discussed DJ at the combine. When he spoke, he stated at least two things, which I mentioned verbatim: that 2015 was a redshirt season for him, and that putting him out on the field would've failed him.

This, by the way, was out of both fact and observation of the entire progress of DJ.

Maybe, (just maybe), I have a better understanding on this situation than most???

This thread is bombed and depleted. If you need me, I'm going back to complaining about the NCAA Tournament Committee.

So you're relying on the post-season spin. Oy.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

"In the perfect world, he’d back up this year and learn how to play in the NFL behind two quality players,” Arians said. “There’s no need for him to jump out there and start for us, but he has a great future.”


http://www.azcardinals.com/news-and...irst-Day/e50d1aa1-4137-4cb1-a532-57d4f0bfbae9

So while this isn't really the smoking gun it is pretty evident that BA wasn't counting on or expecting or even wanting DJ to play his rookie year.

That doesn't say he doesn't want him to play. It just indicates that he didn't expect him to start. But to not even dress? Cmon . . .

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Thank you.

Perhaps, I should've been less lazy and just dug that up, since this board seems to think I talk out of my ass.

That doesn't say redshirt. You're making inferences, primarily based on post-season spin.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No one ever felt that DJ would supplant Massie in 2015.

WHAT?!? He just provided you a WRITTEN quote that your guy thought he would!!!!

 

[oaken1]

excellent debate fellas!!

If one side is right then we sat the bot on purpose so he could learn and grow.

If the other side is right, then we need to fire our entire scouting staff,...as they screwed the absolute **** out of the pooch on consecutive first round draft picks. Never let those idiots choose a lineman again.


personally....I am also starting to have some doubts about our o-line coaching...perhaps the game has finally passed those guys by.....maybe they just cannot connect with the modern younger players........

 

[cardncubfan]

D.J. has really improved,” Arians told Bickley and Marotta Monday on Arizona Sports 98.7 FM. “I would never tell him, but I would have played D.J. without hesitation in the second half of the season.”

http://arizonasports.com/story/5340...ive-cardinals-d-j-humphries-ready-to-compete/

The team’s No. 1 draft pick in 2015 was never active for a game, not once. Now, his “redshirt” year is over, and the Cardinals will need more going forward.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Why on earth would you ask me that?

Yes I do, and so does my boy Bruce Arians, who apparently agrees with me. I guess people on here like arguing/complaining for the sake of arguing/complaining.

Hot damn, why am I even defending DJ? I don't even like him and I didn't like the pick, at all.

You're not defending DJ, you're defending the cardinals spin.

 

[cardncubfan]

Mayock

If Humphries were to come to Arizona, it would make sense for him to battle it out with Massie for the right tackle position. If Massie were to take the free agency route next season and join another team, at least Humphries would have a year of seasoning under his belt at right tackle and he’d be better equipped to take on a new role on Arizona’s offensive line. Plus, when it comes down to economics, Humphries would come much cheaper than Massie would next season.



http://nbcsports1060.com/mike-mayoc...-ot-d-j-humphries-at-no-24-in-2015-nfl-draft/

 

[kerouac9]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R4WOmBg-Jew

Thanks for sharing that. What Arians said in a word of his expectations for Humphries was "compete." I think it's fair to say that Humphries was not competitive this season, and provided neither competition nor depth.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

This thread is about a bunch of nothing.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Thanks for sharing that. What Arians said in a word of his expectations for Humphries was "compete." I think it's fair to say that Humphries was not competitive this season, and provided neither competition nor depth.

I don't know how anyone keeps arguing otherwise.

I mean, the proof is that someone heard Mayock (someone completely unaffiliated with the team) say he was going to be red-shirted... even though in print, Mayock actually talks about him possibly starting?

Man, this is almost as weird as continuing to say Washington will be back any week now.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

This thread is about a bunch of nothing.

"The most entertaining kind of topic"

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

"The most entertaining kind of topic"

What'd you do today?
I posted about the Cardinals on ASFN.
Boom, that's a show.

 

[TJ]

Look, I know from reading the UofA board that you're a die-hard homer (in my opinion to a fault). You buy everything your favorite teams tell you. I wish I had your outlook. I honestly do. But my eyes tell me differently.

Sure thing, dude. Gabe York disagrees.

You don't share my outlook because you swing heavily on the cautious side of things. Love my teams, but I don't base my opinions on emotions. I'm the first to celebrate our success, and the first to point out our shortcomings. Remember the outrage on this forum when I brought up how Honey Badger was struggling in coverage? Honey Badger is as much of a protected entity on here as Bruce Arians and Kurt Warner. Die-hard homers don't do that.

 

[TJ]

. Sorry to be snarky there, but I'm just incredulous that you continue to argue your point with the avalanche of evidence against you.

What avalanche? All I see posted are a bunch of conflicting reports. You all are fighting amongst yourselves at this point; and really over nothing.

I told everyone what I knew of the situation well before the combine, and Keim and Arians validated it for me during the combine.

I get why people want to get argumentative about the situation, as they were disappointed our #1 pick didn't suit up. I get why people are nervous about him being slotted as the starting RT. All valid concerns. But, again, if more people listened and paid attention to reports and how the season unfolded for him, instead of choosing to cannibalize each other about it, the truth is really not that hard to find.

Trust me, it wasn't by accident that I was on the money about the DJ situation the entire time. There are more than a couple of people on this board who know how this team operates.