Offensive Line: Post-Cooper Trade

[PDXChris]

Watford will beat him out.

Based on what?

 

[Chopper0080]

Nice to see Humpphries at LeCharles Bentley's OLine Performance Training Center...hopefully works out more like Massie than Cooper.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Based on what?

Watching Watford...I liked him more than MASSIE and I have zero confidence in Hump.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

Nice to see Humpphries at LeCharles Bentley's OLine Performance Training Center...hopefully works out more like Massie than Cooper.

Good to hear he is putting some work to improve

 

[Veer]

How somebody can write off a talented 22 y/o tackle, who hasn't played a down of pro football yet, is beyond me.

That's what all prestigious scouts said about him predraft: His feet are already pro-ready, but his hand usage is a mess.

Guess what: You can't teach natural quick feet. You can teach proper hand usage quickly. A heavy-legged player will never develop quick feet. That's why quick footed players at any position are drafted way above players with good hands technique but average feet.

Humphries' technique will be much improved and he should be familiar with the scheme too. Hence even if there are still some technical blunders, at some point you have to throw your 1st rounder into the fire to see what you have in him.

Alert: Every 1st round OL isn't a Jonathan Cooper!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

How somebody can write off a talented 22 y/o tackle, who hasn't played a down of pro football yet, is beyond me.

That's what all prestigious scouts said about him predraft: His feet are already pro-ready, but his hand usage is a mess.

Guess what: You can't teach natural quick feet. You can teach proper hand usage quickly. A heavy-legged player will never develop quick feet. That's why quick footed players at any position are drafted way above players with good hands technique but average feet.

Humphries' technique will be much improved and he should be familiar with the scheme too. Hence even if there are still some technical blunders, at some point you have to throw your 1st rounder into the fire to see what you have in him.

Alert: Every 1st round OL isn't a Jonathan Cooper!

Well said. I think Humphries is going to start and,in time, become a top tier OT. I liked Massie but Humphries brings a lot more to the table. His talent level is very high and the cards have a good OL coach. He may have some struggles early on but he'll be a good one in the long run.

Remember, even Levi was a good RT.

 

[Ohcrap75]

Kiem and BA said from day one that the plan was to have DJH sit and learn the first year. BA challenged him in preseason and he responded with improved play and continued in practice throughout the season. Just because we didn't see him play in games doesn't mean he was sitting on the couch. He was practicing and developing technique that everyone knew he needed to when he was drafted. I cannot guarantee that he is going to be great this year, but there is nothing out there that says he isn't exactly where Kiem and BA expect him to be. So I am just going to trust that they know what they are doing.

 

[PDXChris]

Watching Watford...I liked him more than MASSIE and I have zero confidence in Hump.

So based on nothing, good to know.

 

[Stout]

Kiem and BA said from day one that the plan was to have DJH sit and learn the first year. BA challenged him in preseason and he responded with improved play and continued in practice throughout the season. Just because we didn't see him play in games doesn't mean he was sitting on the couch. He was practicing and developing technique that everyone knew he needed to when he was drafted. I cannot guarantee that he is going to be great this year, but there is nothing out there that says he isn't exactly where Kiem and BA expect him to be. So I am just going to trust that they know what they are doing.

This sentence goes perfectly with your screen name. Numerous posters have poked holes in this fallacy. It was revisionist history on the part of BASK. He couldn't even get a helmet on game day. It's not that he didn't start or play--it's that he couldn't even make the active roster. We simply cannot put all our eggs in this basket. It's suicide, and could get Palmer killed, if we do. We MUST have someone else who can provide competition and start, if needs be.

 

[cardpa]

I just don't see how anyone sees Humphries ending up being as bad as D'Anthony Batiste or Levi Brown bad. I think the guy is going to be better than either one of these. He may never be an Pro Bowler but I think he will end up being a solid RT. He was projected to be a LT coming out of college. You can't have Pro Bowlers across the entire line. That isn't affordable.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

So based on nothing, good to know.

He can handle speed rushers...remember how he handled Mack from Oak? Preseason or not, Mack was going off that game and was well handled once Watford came in. Watford > MASSIE > Hump.

 

[TJ]

So based on nothing, good to know.

Yep. People are afraid of the unknown, which is why there's so much handwringing from fans about Keim and BA entrusting DJ with the RT spot.

People who think they can give a definitive assessment of DJ at this time are misguided. I have my reservations of DJ and was certainly not a fan of the draft pick at the time, but I'll put my faith in the coaches and front office that they know what they're doing.

 

[kerouac9]

How somebody can write off a talented 22 y/o tackle, who hasn't played a down of pro football yet, is beyond me.

That's what all prestigious scouts said about him predraft: His feet are already pro-ready, but his hand usage is a mess.

Guess what: You can't teach natural quick feet. You can teach proper hand usage quickly. A heavy-legged player will never develop quick feet. That's why quick footed players at any position are drafted way above players with good hands technique but average feet.

Humphries' technique will be much improved and he should be familiar with the scheme too. Hence even if there are still some technical blunders, at some point you have to throw your 1st rounder into the fire to see what you have in him.

Alert: Every 1st round OL isn't a Jonathan Cooper!

Hey — it's the same thing that was said about Brandon Keith! Remember when Mario Williams walked him right back into Matt Leinart in his first preseason snap with the first team? I think it resulted in a safety!

How you can have blind faith in a prospect the coaching staff didn't even have faith enough to outperform Bradley Sowell in a pinch is beyond me. This group has proven more than willing to trust rookies with significant roles and PT.

 

[TJ]

This sentence goes perfectly with your screen name. Numerous posters have poked holes in this fallacy. It was revisionist history on the part of BASK. He couldn't even get a helmet on game day. It's not that he didn't start or play--it's that he couldn't even make the active roster. We simply cannot put all our eggs in this basket. It's suicide, and could get Palmer killed, if we do. We MUST have someone else who can provide competition and start, if needs be.

No one poked holes in it. It's not a fallacy. The plan for DJ was clearly stated on day 1 when he was drafted (not only by the Cardinals, mind you), and restated a few weeks ago.

You can choose to stay rigid in your beliefs about the situation, and you absolutely have the right to have trepidation about DJ as the starter and want a security blanket in case he fails; but to to continue to reject the individualized plan for him, which was mentioned from the very beginning, is to make something out of nothing.

 

[WildBB]

It's evident that they drafted Humphries in a pretty deep OT class on promise. He's young they knew that when they picked him. His issues were trust and maturity.

That said we need vets for this line, and I see them addressing that need. Also adding a rookie C.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Hey — it's the same thing that was said about Brandon Keith! Remember when Mario Williams walked him right back into Matt Leinart in his first preseason snap with the first team? I think it resulted in a safety!

How you can have blind faith in a prospect the coaching staff didn't even have faith enough to outperform Bradley Sowell in a pinch is beyond me. This group has proven more than willing to trust rookies with significant roles and PT.

Why do you keep repeating this?

You know full-well that Sowell was the swing tackle on game day, saving a roster spot, and that the kid was working on becoming the R-T of the future.

 

[ARZCardinals]

It's evident that they drafted Humphries in a pretty deep OT class on promise. He's young they knew that when they picked him. His issues were trust and maturity.

That said we need vets for this line, and I see them addressing that need. Also adding a rookie C.

DJ was the highest rated T coming out. That was the first time that I can ever remember that a T wasn't taken top 4. I can only go on what Kiem does and I've learned to trust him....if you haven't...you aren't very smart.

 

[Shane]

DJ was the highest rated T coming out. That was the first time that I can ever remember that a T wasn't taken top 4. I can only go on what Kiem does and I've learned to trust him....if you haven't...you aren't very smart.

At this point kinda hard to trust his 1st and 2nd round picks...

 

[TJ]

Why do you keep repeating this?



You know full-well that Sowell was the swing tackle on game day, saving a roster spot, and that the kid was working on becoming the R-T of the future.

Yeah, the Sowell/Watford thing is the most asinine claim I've heard about this whole situation.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

If you are drafted in 1st rd. and can't even suit up sans injury, that is a big problem. I feel like we are getting the same song and dance we got with Cooper. BA will say he is coming along great until about week 9, then call him out, then trade him within a year.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Yeah, the Sowell/Watford thing is the most asinine claim I've heard about this whole situation.

What do you base your assessment that Hump is better than Watford?

 

[kerouac9]

Yeah, the Sowell/Watford thing is the most asinine claim I've heard about this whole situation.

Why? Humphries was practicing at LT with the scout team. There's no reason to believe he was working on getting RT specific after training camp. There's every reason to believe even a raw first-round pick deserving of that grade should be able to beat out a scrub like Sowell/Watford walking in the door of the facility.

I'm sure it was part of Humphries "individualized plan" to be nicknamed "knee deep" in training camp. Arians loves players with motivation issues.

 

[Cardiac]

Why? Humphries was practicing at LT with the scout team. There's no reason to believe he was working on getting RT specific after training camp. There's every reason to believe even a raw first-round pick deserving of that grade should be able to beat out a scrub like Sowell/Watford walking in the door of the facility.

I'm sure it was part of Humphries "individualized plan" to be nicknamed "knee deep" in training camp. Arians loves players with motivation issues.

And that nickname earned him his spot on the bench without a helmet. BA has a method to his madness and while Sowell is limited talent wise he is a hard worker and sets a great example. That earned him a helmet on game day and DJ (hopefully) learned that he has to go full bore from start to finish.

I would also say that if Massie had gone down with an injury DJ would have gotten the start the next game. There is making a point to a player and the team and then there is protecting your QB with the best talent available to you.

I guess it's fun for some to harp on DJ not being active on game day and easy/lazy to say for that reason he is a bust.

We shall see this year.

 

[kerouac9]

And that nickname earned him his spot on the bench without a helmet. BA has a method to his madness and while Sowell is limited talent wise he is a hard worker and sets a great example. That earned him a helmet on game day and DJ (hopefully) learned that he has to go full bore from start to finish.

I would also say that if Massie had gone down with an injury DJ would have gotten the start the next game. There is making a point to a player and the team and then there is protecting your QB with the best talent available to you.

I guess it's fun for some to harp on DJ not being active on game day and easy/lazy to say for that reason he is a bust.

We shall see this year.

Find one person who is saying that. This is B.S. and beyond you.

And you have no evidence to say that Humphries would be the starter if Massie had gone down with injury. I have evidence that Humphries wouldn't be the starter — that Earl Watford was the starter when Massie was suspended to begin the year.

 

[TJ]

Why? Humphries was practicing at LT with the scout team. There's no reason to believe he was working on getting RT specific after training camp. There's every reason to believe even a raw first-round pick deserving of that grade should be able to beat out a scrub like Sowell/Watford walking in the door of the facility.



I'm sure it was part of Humphries "individualized plan" to be nicknamed "knee deep" in training camp. Arians loves players with motivation issues.

I feel like you're trying to convince me that the sky is purple and grass is red. Arguing against facts.

Him practicing left and right tackle means nothing. This is explanatory fiction.

If you continue to believe this, I really cannot help you anymore.