Official Draft Ryan Mallet Thread

[dreamcastrocks]

So you would happily draft the next Jason Campbell, Kyle Boller, or Rex Grossman because they're quarterbacks? I'm looking for someone to make an affirmative case for Ryan Mallett other than the fact that he's a quarterback.

I'll give John H a pass because he's an Arkansas guy. Go back and look at his threads on how Matt Jones was going to be the next Randy Moss.

Any of those 3, even Grossman, would have us in the division lead at the moment.

Just sayin'.

 

[Mulli]

Strengths: Good bulk and great height to scan the field
Outstanding arm strength
Very high talent level and upside
Adept at reading coverages
Nice mental clock in pocket
Quick release
Makes some jaw-dropping throws
Sells play action

Decent numbers in a tough conference.

 

[Mulli]

Any of those 3, even Grossman, would have us in the division lead at the moment.

Just sayin'.

Not Boller.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Not Boller.

Even Boller.

 

[Mulli]

Even Boller.

Nope.

 

[WarnerHOF]

Any of those 3, even Grossman, would have us in the division lead at the moment.

Just sayin'.

I don't know why you're so confident other mediocre QBs will put this team in the division lead when the #32 ranked defense makes washed up QBs like Favre and Hasselbeck look young again.

As for Mallet, my biggest concern with him is his inconsistent accuracy and the easy Bobby Petrino system where the majority of his throws are to extremely wide open receivers.

 

[az jam]

The more I see of Mallet the more I like him. He does remind me of Rothlisberger. Any player drafted is a crap shoot and qbs take longer to develop. Cards need a qb and the draft has 4 that could go in round one (Luck, Mallet, Newton, Locker). IMO Cards need to pull the trigger and draft one (but not Locker). Its too critical of a position to pass on in the first round when their need is so big and as mentioned above this is a decent class if they all come out.

I think Mallet would do well with our team. If he is still on the board when we pick we should take him.

 

[Mulli]

I don't know why you're so confident other mediocre QBs will put this team in the division lead when the #32 ranked defense makes washed up QBs like Favre and Hasselbeck look young again.

Yep.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Nope.

Yep.

I don't know why you're so confident other mediocre QBs will put this team in the division lead when the #32 ranked defense makes washed up QBs like Favre and Hasselbeck look young again.

If either side of the football were just average, we would be in the division lead. 15th ranked offense and our defense would win us 2-3 more games IMO.

 

[kerouac9]

Strengths: Good bulk and great height to scan the field
Outstanding arm strength
Very high talent level and upside
Adept at reading coverages
Nice mental clock in pocket
Quick release
Makes some jaw-dropping throws
Sells play action

Decent numbers in a tough conference.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Saturday-primer-1938.html

It’s no secret throughout the SEC that Arkansas QB Ryan Mallett has the ability to make opposing defenses cover the entire field. He possesses great arm strength, can spin the football outside the numbers and consistently is able to threaten defensive backs vertically down the field. And when he has his feet set and is given time in the pocket to step into throws he showcases the ability to fit the football into tight windows and consistently give his receivers a chance to make a play. However, the difference between him and top-tier quarterback prospects is that Mallett struggles with his ball placement — especially in the short and intermediate pass game — forcing receivers to slow down their routes or stop in order to adjust to the throws, as opposed to simply being able to run through it.

Also, at 6-6, Mallett isn’t a real impressive athlete in the pocket either, as he gets really lethargic with his footwork and struggles to quickly re-set his feet toward his target. But he still has the arm strength to get the football to anyone even when falling away from his target. But, when he doesn’t maintain balance into his throws his ball placement and accuracy really struggle, which has been one of the main culprits for the majority of his interceptions on the year. Therefore, the key for the LSU defense is creating pressure on Mallett and forcing him to move off his spot in the pocket, because if you can make the guy move his feet, in my view from all the games I have seen of him, Mallett simply isn’t real effective.

He is Derek Anderson. In a Mickey Mouse offense. The reply to the weaknesses consistently is "BUT THEN WE'LL HAVE A QB!" That's not good enough, because missing on a quarterback sets your team back 5 years.

 

[kerouac9]

I'd rather have Cam Newton than Ryan Mallett, but I don't want either in the Top 10.

 

[Mulli]

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Saturday-primer-1938.html



He is Derek Anderson. In a Mickey Mouse offense. The reply to the weaknesses consistently is "BUT THEN WE'LL HAVE A QB!" That's not good enough, because missing on a quarterback sets your team back 5 years.

And when he has his feet set and is given time in the pocket to step into throws he showcases the ability to fit the football into tight windows and consistently give his receivers a chance to make a play.

The weaknesses come down to footwork then, right? Because that evaluation says when he has his feet right, he can fit the ball into tight windows. Good enough for me, at this point, hypothetically speaking.

 

[Mulli]

I'd rather have Cam Newton than Ryan Mallett, but I don't want either in the Top 10.

If it is just about taking them top ten or top 25, I don't see that being a problem, Mark Sanchez was not really worth a top 10 pick either, but in hindsight, wasn't he worth the risk?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

However, the difference between him and top-tier quarterback prospects is that Mallett struggles with his ball placement — especially in the short and intermediate pass game — forcing receivers to slow down their routes or stop in order to adjust to the throws, as opposed to simply being able to run through it.

That's it? Sign me up. lol

 

[Mulli]

That's it? Sign me up. lol

Word up. And maybe Mallet can get by throwing off his backfoot like Cutler does now on a consistent basis.

 

[Seandonic]

May be a simpleton POV, as Im no draftnick or talent evaluator, but if you have one pick in the first round, there are 4 QBS overall, a couple of which might be available when you pick in that round but most assuredly NOT when your name comes up again next round, and you DESPERATELY ARE IN NEED OF A QBOF, and you have the opportunity to take of the QBs, how can you argue that theres no value in the pick?

I think, especially when taking about QBs, stretching is less of an issue because while the risk is high, the rewards can be higher. You HAVE TO pull the trigger in that instance. All the geeky mathmatics and stats and percentages aside.

Agree.
Whenever a team is in need of a franchise QB and is in position to select one in the draft it is imperative to take a shot and draft him. The QB position is just too important in the NFL. If the guy doesn't pan out it's okay...the team is going to keep on failing without a franchise QB so they will be in position to have another shot at one soon.

The only thing I would strongly suggest is that you have a capable veteran on the roster as well so that the rookie has time to adjust. By capable I mean Mcnabb, Bulger, Hill, etc...NOT, DA!

 

[oaken1]

Agree.
Whenever a team is in need of a franchise QB and is in position to select one in the draft it is imperative to take a shot and draft him. The QB position is just too important in the NFL. If the guy doesn't pan out it's okay...the team is going to keep on failing without a franchise QB so they will be in position to have another shot at one soon.

The only thing I would strongly suggest is that you have a capable veteran on the roster as well so that the rookie has time to adjust. By capable I mean Mcnabb, Bulger, Hill, etc...NOT, DA!

...and maybe that the scouting department and personnel guys put in some extra time and do their homework on exactly which QB will work best for what the team is trying to do.

 

[az jam]

Ryan Mallet Evaluation from Scouts, Inc.

QUARTERBACK SPECIFIC TRAITS

Toughness/Leadership 2 An even-keeled but fierce competitor. On-the-field leadership qualities are excellent and does a nice job of keeping emotions in check. Appears to have a strong command of teammates. Stays positive throughout games and can quickly bounce back after making mistakes. Poised in the pocket and will stand tall and make tough throws with defenders closing in. Displayed very good composure late in the game at both Florida and LSU in 2009.

Intelligence/Decision Making 2 Has experience in a pro-style system both at Michigan and Arkansas. A good game manager. Appears to see the entire field and can get to second or third progressions. Displays good awareness for check-downs and knows when to throw ball away or eat it. Also does a nice job of looking off defenders before coming back to second or third progression. However, will take risks and throw into coverage on occasion when the play breaks down. Very good decision maker when game is on the line late in the game.

Accuracy 2 Overall accuracy is very good but still has room for improvement. Displays good mechanics and throws with great balance. Short accuracy is above-average but will occasionally force receivers to open up on crossing routes. Displays very good touch on fade routes and does an excellent job of throwing a rope to receivers back shoulder when necessary. Flashes elite ability to fit the ball into tight windows that very few collegiate QBs can hit. Can miss high on occasion on intermediate throws when his feet aren't set to the target. Deep ball accuracy is very good but could put more air underneath throws on occasion.

Release/Arm Strength 1 Smooth over-the-top release. Follows through very well. Ball jumps off hand and possesses one of the strongest arms in college football today. Can make all the NFL throws. Displays ability to make throws down the field off his back foot. Batted balls at the line of scrimmage are not an issue due to excellent combination of height and over-the-top release.

Pocket Mobility 3 Foot quickness and overall athleticism are just average but is very savvy working within the pocket. Consistently side-steps the rush while keeping his feet underneath him and eyes down the field. Also does a nice job of stepping up in the pocket when feeling pressure off the edges. Lacks agility and elite ability to escape pressure and break contain. That said, Mallett does an excellent job of keeping plays alive when he does get on the perimeter. Possesses a good internal clock and knows when to tuck and run. Can occasionally pick up first-down yardage with his feet but will not pose a legitimate running threat at the NFL level.

1 = EXCEPTIONAL 2 = ABOVE AVERAGE 3 = AVERAGE 4 = BELOW AVERAGE 5 = MARGINAL

 

[kerouac9]

The weaknesses come down to footwork then, right? Because that evaluation says when he has his feet right, he can fit the ball into tight windows. Good enough for me, at this point, hypothetically speaking.

Because this offenses staff has shown that they can develop a QB's footwork? That's what we heard was the problem with #7; that's what Derek Anderson's accuracy problem allegedly was. How did those fixes work out?

When you start taking apart a quarterback's mechanics, it's difficult to say where he'll end up.

If it is just about taking them top ten or top 25, I don't see that being a problem, Mark Sanchez was not really worth a top 10 pick either, but in hindsight, wasn't he worth the risk?

Mark Sanchez was drafted as much because he could deal with the media spotlight in New York as he was for his skills as a quarterback.

Was he worth the risk? With two excellent running backs and one of the best offensive lines in the league with him on the offense, and a dominant defense, yeah, it's worth it. But we don't have any of those things, and without them Mark Sanchez looks a lot like Matt Hasselback.

 

[Mulli]

Ryan Mallet Evaluation from Scouts, Inc.

QUARTERBACK SPECIFIC TRAITS

Toughness/Leadership 2 An even-keeled but fierce competitor. On-the-field leadership qualities are excellent and does a nice job of keeping emotions in check. Appears to have a strong command of teammates. Stays positive throughout games and can quickly bounce back after making mistakes. Poised in the pocket and will stand tall and make tough throws with defenders closing in. Displayed very good composure late in the game at both Florida and LSU in 2009.

Intelligence/Decision Making 2 Has experience in a pro-style system both at Michigan and Arkansas. A good game manager. Appears to see the entire field and can get to second or third progressions. Displays good awareness for check-downs and knows when to throw ball away or eat it. Also does a nice job of looking off defenders before coming back to second or third progression. However, will take risks and throw into coverage on occasion when the play breaks down. Very good decision maker when game is on the line late in the game.

Accuracy 2 Overall accuracy is very good but still has room for improvement. Displays good mechanics and throws with great balance. Short accuracy is above-average but will occasionally force receivers to open up on crossing routes. Displays very good touch on fade routes and does an excellent job of throwing a rope to receivers back shoulder when necessary. Flashes elite ability to fit the ball into tight windows that very few collegiate QBs can hit. Can miss high on occasion on intermediate throws when his feet aren't set to the target. Deep ball accuracy is very good but could put more air underneath throws on occasion.

Release/Arm Strength 1 Smooth over-the-top release. Follows through very well. Ball jumps off hand and possesses one of the strongest arms in college football today. Can make all the NFL throws. Displays ability to make throws down the field off his back foot. Batted balls at the line of scrimmage are not an issue due to excellent combination of height and over-the-top release.

Pocket Mobility 3 Foot quickness and overall athleticism are just average but is very savvy working within the pocket. Consistently side-steps the rush while keeping his feet underneath him and eyes down the field. Also does a nice job of stepping up in the pocket when feeling pressure off the edges. Lacks agility and elite ability to escape pressure and break contain. That said, Mallett does an excellent job of keeping plays alive when he does get on the perimeter. Possesses a good internal clock and knows when to tuck and run. Can occasionally pick up first-down yardage with his feet but will not pose a legitimate running threat at the NFL level.

1 = EXCEPTIONAL 2 = ABOVE AVERAGE 3 = AVERAGE 4 = BELOW AVERAGE 5 = MARGINAL

 

[Mulli]

Because this offenses staff has shown that they can develop a QB's footwork? That's what we heard was the problem with #7; that's what Derek Anderson's accuracy problem allegedly was. How did those fixes work out?

When you start taking apart a quarterback's mechanics, it's difficult to say where he'll end up.



Mark Sanchez was drafted as much because he could deal with the media spotlight in New York as he was for his skills as a quarterback.

Was he worth the risk? With two excellent running backs and one of the best offensive lines in the league with him on the offense, and a dominant defense, yeah, it's worth it. But we don't have any of those things, and without them Mark Sanchez looks a lot like Matt Hasselback.

both Leinart and DA have other GLARING issues than footwork. And Whiz fixed rothlisberger's footwork (I am going to keep saying that as fact, so it becomes indisputable fact).

 

[Mulli]

Because this offenses staff has shown that they can develop a QB's footwork? That's what we heard was the problem with #7; that's what Derek Anderson's accuracy problem allegedly was. How did those fixes work out?

When you start taking apart a quarterback's mechanics, it's difficult to say where he'll end up.



Mark Sanchez was drafted as much because he could deal with the media spotlight in New York as he was for his skills as a quarterback.

Was he worth the risk? With two excellent running backs and one of the best offensive lines in the league with him on the offense, and a dominant defense, yeah, it's worth it. But we don't have any of those things, and without them Mark Sanchez looks a lot like Matt Hasselback.

If Mallet is Hasselback, I would be okay with that. Sort of.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

both Leinart and DA have other GLARING issues than footwork. And Whiz fixed rothlisberger's footwork (I am going to keep saying that as fact, so it becomes indisputable fact).

Did Roethisberger have footwork issues in college? He can sure use his feet to evade would be tacklers.

 

[kerouac9]

If Mallet is Hasselback, I would be okay with that. Sort of.

Sanchez is Hasselback. Mallet is Derek Anderson. Try to keep up.

Hasselback was amazing with a Hall of Fame offensive tackle and an MVP running back. Get rid of those two, and he's a guy in the bottom third of the NFL.

If you want Hasselback, he'll maybe be available March 1. Go get him. It won't cost your the opportunity cost of a Top 10 draft pick and $30 million guaranteed.

 

[Mulli]

Did Roethisberger have footwork issues in college? He can sure use his feet to evade would be tacklers.

Oh yes, I watched every game of his since he was born. Whiz said we need to fix that and until we can, I start Touchdown Tommy.

When it was fixed, Big Ben said thank you. Then, Whiz didn't say you are welcome, and they started fighting. That Whiz ego, stuff of legend it is.