Official Draft Ryan Mallet Thread

[Mulli]

Sanchez is Hasselback. Mallet is Derek Anderson. Try to keep up.

Hasselback was amazing with a Hall of Fame offensive tackle and an MVP running back. Get rid of those two, and he's a guy in the bottom third of the NFL.

If you want Hasselback, he'll maybe be available March 1. Go get him. It won't cost your the opportunity cost of a Top 10 draft pick and $30 million guaranteed.

Start your own Hasselback thread, this is for Mallet!

He is my prince and knight in shining armor, is going to be super duper.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Oh yes, I watched every game of his since he was born. Whiz said we need to fix that and until we can, I start Touchdown Tommy.

When it was fixed, Big Ben said thank you. Then, Whiz didn't say you are welcome, and they started fighting. That Whiz ego, stuff of legend it is.

lol

 

[kerouac9]

The Huddle Report Scouting Report by Drew Boylhart

Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas


TALENT BOARD

Round 3

STRENGTHS

Ryan is a tall QB with a strong arm who shows good accuracy and velocity. As a tall QB, he throws the ball over the top, which makes it very hard to knock his passes down at the line of scrimmage. Ryan shows decent leadership skills when his team is winning. He makes quick decisions on the field and, if he needs to squeeze a pass into a small space, he can do it with ease. Ryan does a good job overall directing his team on the field and making the tough plays to give them a chance to be successful. I like Ryan's potential because of his strong arm and accuracy; unfortunately, as you know, the QB position has a lot more to it than just a strong arm and accuracy.



CONCERNS

Ryan looks physically fragile. He stands tall in the pocket, but doesn't have a feel for the pocket when it collapses. He does not move in the pocket and slide out of trouble and does not throw well on the run at all. He is a statue in the pocket and with his skinny physique, it concerns me that injures will be one of his biggest problems at the next level. I am also concerned about his leadership skills at this stage of his career. I do not feel he handles adversity very well at all and hides this issue with a false bravado. Ryan is young and being evaluated too early, in my opinion. He should stay in college to mature more both on, and off, the field. Right now he does not possess the stamina to handle the pressure of the NFL -- physically and mentally, on or off the field.



BOTTOM LINE

It's real simple: Ryan may be a good college QB with the potential to be a good NFL QB, but not at this time. If Ryan comes out early, I fear we might have another Ryan Leaf situation. There is nothing wrong with staying in college and gaining the maturity to be successful at the next level. I think too many QB's come out early and do not learn to go through the adversity of a losing situation that most of the time they will be in at the next level for the first few years. Ryan has to get bigger and stronger and add more bulk to his frame. He has to learn to play a little more on the move and, in general, start taking more emotional control of his game. The QB position is more than just passing for TD's and I don't think Ryan recognizes that right now. Ryan has to learn what is expected of him in being a leader. As far as I'm concerned, this is way too early to be evaluating Ryan for the next level and I just feel that he should stay in college for as long as he can. If Ryan comes out now and is taken in the first round (and perhaps even in the top ten), there is an enormous chance that he will not be successful in the NFL but..... he will make a lot of money! Personally I would not look at drafting Ryan until maybe the third round, but that is just me. If he comes out early, Rob's value board will give you what most others think and that is what really counts until after the draft and you look at this profile and Ryan starts to struggle in the NFL.

 

[oaken1]

Oh yes, I watched every game of his since he was born. Whiz said we need to fix that and until we can, I start Touchdown Tommy.

When it was fixed, Big Ben said thank you. Then, Whiz didn't say you are welcome, and they started fighting. That Whiz ego, stuff of legend it is.

LMAO,.....revisionist history.

 

[Mulli]

Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas


TALENT BOARD

Round 3

STRENGTHS

Ryan is a tall QB with a strong arm who shows good accuracy and velocity. As a tall QB, he throws the ball over the top, which makes it very hard to knock his passes down at the line of scrimmage. Ryan shows decent leadership skills when his team is winning. He makes quick decisions on the field and, if he needs to squeeze a pass into a small space, he can do it with ease. Ryan does a good job overall directing his team on the field and making the tough plays to give them a chance to be successful. I like Ryan's potential because of his strong arm and accuracy; unfortunately, as you know, the QB position has a lot more to it than just a strong arm and accuracy.



CONCERNS

Ryan looks physically fragile. He stands tall in the pocket, but doesn't have a feel for the pocket when it collapses. He does not move in the pocket and slide out of trouble and does not throw well on the run at all. He is a statue in the pocket and with his skinny physique, it concerns me that injures will be one of his biggest problems at the next level. I am also concerned about his leadership skills at this stage of his career. I do not feel he handles adversity very well at all and hides this issue with a false bravado. Ryan is young and being evaluated too early, in my opinion. He should stay in college to mature more both on, and off, the field. Right now he does not possess the stamina to handle the pressure of the NFL -- physically and mentally, on or off the field.



BOTTOM LINE

It's real simple: Ryan may be a good college QB with the potential to be a good NFL QB, but not at this time. If Ryan comes out early, I fear we might have another Ryan Leaf situation. There is nothing wrong with staying in college and gaining the maturity to be successful at the next level. I think too many QB's come out early and do not learn to go through the adversity of a losing situation that most of the time they will be in at the next level for the first few years. Ryan has to get bigger and stronger and add more bulk to his frame. He has to learn to play a little more on the move and, in general, start taking more emotional control of his game. The QB position is more than just passing for TD's and I don't think Ryan recognizes that right now. Ryan has to learn what is expected of him in being a leader. As far as I'm concerned, this is way too early to be evaluating Ryan for the next level and I just feel that he should stay in college for as long as he can. If Ryan comes out now and is taken in the first round (and perhaps even in the top ten), there is an enormous chance that he will not be successful in the NFL but..... he will make a lot of money! Personally I would not look at drafting Ryan until maybe the third round, but that is just me. If he comes out early, Rob's value board will give you what most others think and that is what really counts until after the draft and you look at this profile and Ryan starts to struggle in the NFL.

that conflicts with your other scouting report

 

[Seandonic]

Word up. And maybe Mallet can get by throwing off his backfoot like Cutler does now on a consistent basis.

To be a good QB in the NFL you must be good at throwing off your back foot. It happens hundreds of times every Sunday, just watch. You don't want it to be part of your every throw mechanics but it is important to be able to pull it off when necessary.

It's like being a pitcher who has just one pitch, a fastball. He could get by on just that, but would be even better if he had a change-up ready to fly as well, whereas, a change-up by its self (as in always throwing off your back foot) is useless.

 

[Mulli]

LMAO,.....revisionist history.

Link?

 

[Pariah]

May be a simpleton POV, as Im no draftnick or talent evaluator, but if you have one pick in the first round, there are 4 QBS overall, a couple of which might be available when you pick in that round but most assuredly NOT when your name comes up again next round, and you DESPERATELY ARE IN NEED OF A QBOF, and you have the opportunity to take of the QBs, how can you argue that theres no value in the pick?

Because if he's projected to go in the late 20's (because, presumably, there are 20 or so better prospects in front of him), you're passing on players that are more ready to play in the NFL. You cant even say that it's position-based because QBs always go sooner than they otherwise might because of their importance and rarity.

So, if (again, just for the sake of argument) the Cards are drafting at #9 and Mallet might not go till the end of the round, it's folly to draft him in that spot. Take a page from the Browns if that's the case and draft your BPA at 9 and then move back into the first round with a picks/player package, or drop back in the round (but, personally, that reminds me of the Bryant Johnson/Calvin Pace debacle and I'd rather go with the former if Mallet is indeed the target).

Now, maybe all that goes out the window if the Cards draft board is radically different than the rest of the NFL's and they have him ranked a lot higher...but if that's the case, you might want to rethink the board anyways.

JMHO

 

[kerouac9]

that conflicts with your other scouting report

The more you know. Read as many as you can, trust the ones you like, or whom you think have solid history. I like The Huddle Report guy; I hate ESPN/Scouts Inc. I think the guy at the National Football Post is kind of a tool. But I read them all (including Lindy's and The Sporting News's draft guides) and decide what I think when I'm done.

Drew Boylhart liked Daryl Washington as a 4th round pick, he liked Dan Williams as a first round pick. Check out what his analysis was of Beanie:

NEEDS TO IMPROVE

Chris still has a long way to go before he is a franchise RB, but he does have the athletic talent. He runs in an upright position which makes him very susceptible to injuries. He doesn't block for the blitz very well and he does not have good hands to catch the ball out of the backfield. I also question his football intelligence. But still, he is big, strong, powerful and fast and you have to feel that he will improve at some point and became a complete back. One other note -- that toe injury could be chronic because he runs up on his toes like a track star.

And Cody Brown:

As a pass rushing LB/DE specialist, this kid should be an excellent draft pick. I am convinced that because of Cody's success as a DE it will be hard for him to accept the transition to LB, which will affect his LTI. Cody's play on the field as a DE has been outstanding, but learning to be a complete OLB could be a humbling experience. I say this because of Cody's success as a DE. Think about it: you're a kid that plays at a high level and just because of your size, someone tells you that you have to start all over. I remember when I was young -- if someone tried to tell me that I was going to move positions because of my size, I would have told them what they could do with that thought. Look at the problems Pat White (QB/WR West Virginia) is having! If you are playing any position at a high level, it is very difficult to move to another position emotionally more than physically. Will Cody impact in the NFL? If he is used as a pass rushing specialist, then I think he can. I like this kid's talent, but I don't have the overall confidence in the coaching of most NFL teams to capitalize on this kid's talent. I will say this...the Patriots, Steelers, and maybe now the JETS do have the coaching staffs that will know how to use this kid so that he can be productive as he learns to be a starting LB. Let this kid impact as a pass rushing specialist as he learns to be a complete LB and you will have a very good player. Try to make him a starting LB right away and this kid will shut down and become just another player.

And Buster Davis:

I know that Buster is being considered as a first day pick in this draft. The truth is that as a run stuffer, he has first day talent; however, like Patrick Willis (LB Mississippi), Buster, for the purpose of this draft, is a two-down LB. Buster is also undersized. This does not mean that both these LB’s will not be picked in the first round and be core players for the teams that draft them, but for me to invest first day money in LB’s that can only play two downs does not make much sense. I would jump all over them on the second day, but not the first. In this draft, there are not a lot of complete LB’s and the ones that are complete LB’s are not necessarily impacting LB’s. So, when we see a kid make a really good tackle from the MLB position, we are starting to overrate that player. Buster Davis is a good LB, but he is also a system LB. He should be in a 4-3 defense with some big boys in front of him so that he can flow freely to make the tackle. He is not the type of LB that can take on a big Guard or Center, meet them in the hole and then shed them and make the tackle. He is a two-down LB that will help on special teams until he shows that he is better in pass defense. In a normal draft, he is a second day pick. In this draft, he might go in the first day.

He does have misses (everyone does), but The Huddle Report is awesomely worth the $9.95/yr because I value Drew's analysis of prospects more than a lot of the other people I end up reading.

 

[conraddobler]

If you want him go get him, no hoping he falls to the 2nd, he either is or is not your target, if he is, hit the target, get him, even if you have to reach a bit.

 

[Russ Smith]

The more you know. Read as many as you can, trust the ones you like, or whom you think have solid history. I like The Huddle Report guy; I hate ESPN/Scouts Inc. I think the guy at the National Football Post is kind of a tool. But I read them all (including Lindy's and The Sporting News's draft guides) and decide what I think when I'm done.

Drew Boylhart liked Daryl Washington as a 4th round pick, he liked Dan Williams as a first round pick. Check out what his analysis was of Beanie:



And Cody Brown:



And Buster Davis:



He does have misses (everyone does), but The Huddle Report is awesomely worth the $9.95/yr because I value Drew's analysis of prospects more than a lot of the other people I end up reading.

Totally off topic but he was actually using Buster Davis and Patrick Willis in the same sentence?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Oh yes, I watched every game of his since he was born. Whiz said we need to fix that and until we can, I start Touchdown Tommy.

When it was fixed, Big Ben said thank you. Then, Whiz didn't say you are welcome, and they started fighting. That Whiz ego, stuff of legend it is.

You on fire today son.

 

[Mulli]

You on fire today son.

 

[desertdawg]

Deeper question, and also possible. If Luck is gone and you can trade the first round pick for Kolb, even with Mallet and Newton still available on the board, would you do it?

 

[Mulli]

Deeper question, and also possible. If Luck is gone and you can trade the first round pick for Kolb, even with Mallet and Newton still available on the board, would you do it?

Nope.

 

[Pariah]

Deeper question, and also possible. If Luck is gone and you can trade the first round pick for Kolb, even with Mallet and Newton still available on the board, would you do it?

Yes.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

It seems like alot of people are assuming Mallet won't improve. Let's face it, none of know if he's going to be any good as a pro. He has the tools, so that's an advantage right off the bat. The QB propsect I would compare him to is Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers had a strong arm but played in a questionable offense for developing successful NFL Qb's (Tedford coached QB's seemed to always struggle transitioning. Boller was one.) and had alot of question marks about him. He fell but I think he's turned out OK. I think Mallet is a better prospect than Flacco and Josh Freeman were.
The thing is, if the Cards are going to draft a QB then get a highly rated one like Luck or Mallet. 3rd round guys like Ponder or Devlin may work out but there's a reason they are 3rd round guys and Mallet and Luck are 1st rounders. He may turn out to be a non-factor like Leinart was but I'd rather take my chances on the more talented guy. If he pans out, then you're set for years. Drafting and hoping guys like McCown and Skelton pan out has a much lower chance of being a successful strategy.

 

[oaken1]

Yes.

I would trade our second rounder,....which is basically a late first,.....then draft a guy with the first rounder.

 

[mjb21aztd]

the offical draft anyone better then derek anderson or max hall thread i'm all in!!!!!

 

[Russ Smith]

It seems like alot of people are assuming Mallet won't improve. Let's face it, none of know if he's going to be any good as a pro. He has the tools, so that's an advantage right off the bat. The QB propsect I would compare him to is Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers had a strong arm but played in a questionable offense for developing successful NFL Qb's (Tedford coached QB's seemed to always struggle transitioning. Boller was one.) and had alot of question marks about him. He fell but I think he's turned out OK. I think Mallet is a better prospect than Flacco and Josh Freeman were.
.

Mallett is VERY different than Rodgers. First off Boller was the only Cal QB before Rodgers in ages to get picked high. There were Fresno State QB's when he coached QB's there, but that wasn't the failure of the offense to produce QB's, it was that the offense made the QB's there look better than they really were(like David Carr).

The year Rodgers came out I posted over and over we should pick him and everyone said the same thing, system QB, Tedford QB's suck, he's too small etc.

Mallett is much taller, and plays in a completely different system, Cal runs a pro set most of the time, hell they produce RB's more often than they do QB's, and there are a bunch of Cal OL's playing in the NFL.

The biggest knock on Rodgers had nothing to do with his actual play, it was the perception that Tedford made QB's look better than they really were. I didn't think he would be this good of course, but I knew he wasn't another Boller, who played exactly 1 year for Tedford(and had a career year). Boller was a workout wonder, Rodgers did it on the field consistently at Cal.

I just watched on replay(CBS college channel or something) the 2nd half of Alabama and Arkansas, Mallett made several ill advised throws in that half, even a couple that weren't picked off could have been and he threw 3 picks in that game as it was.

Scott Wright of Draft Countdown says he reminds him of Derek Anderson and that the "buzz" in scouting communities is there are character concerns, he didn't say what they were but he said they will play a definite role in where he gets drafted. I think he's better than DA was coming out of college but I do see the same thing when I watch him, many of the completions are off target, they're caught but they're high, left, right etc. in the NFL it's much harder to complete throws that aren't on target.

 

[schutd]

So you would happily draft the next Jason Campbell, Kyle Boller, or Rex Grossman because they're quarterbacks? I'm looking for someone to make an affirmative case for Ryan Mallett other than the fact that he's a quarterback.

I'll give John H a pass because he's an Arkansas guy. Go back and look at his threads on how Matt Jones was going to be the next Randy Moss.

Absolutely not, thats not what I said. What I said was )or at least my point was), assuming youve done your homework and properly evaluated the players abilities and given him a reasonable precentage for success in the NFL, why does it make more sense to draft elsewhere rather than at say, pick 9 because the QB really comes in at a rating of pick 25. Thats nickels and dimes, and if you need a QB, you freaking take him at 9. Pariah was arguing intra-round value, and I was saying all else being equal, throw that in the garbage, because if you need a QB, you like whats on the board when you pick, and youre sure he wont be there when you pick again in the enxt round, you take him then and there, and youre value is you got the guy you wanted. Put all the computer simulations in the scrap heap, roll the dice, and hope for the best. We all know the chances of busting are high, but do your homework, and make a run at it, and Ill, as a fan give you, as an FO a pass every time. Keep drafting linemen and such while bringing in retread burnouts who failed on other teams, and Ill question your desire to win.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Against Auburn and Alabama he was invisible.

I want Luck then Newton....

 

[Chopper0080]

History seems to tell us that a Qb's footwork is almost as important as his intelligence and work ethic as far as projecting their success in the pros. Mallett gets a huge no thanks from me, and I really haven't seen enough from Newton to base an opinion on. I know Luck is great. What I am starting to wonder is if Newton, Locker, & Mallett are closer to Ponder, Devlin, ect than they are to Luck.

 

[BigRedArk]

Mallett does have some talent and a good arm. However I agree...he is Derek Anderson waitin' to happen.

 

[Evil Ash]

Mallett does have some talent and a good arm. However I agree...he is Derek Anderson waitin' to happen.

Nah. He's actually accurate and throws it to his teammates so he already has that over scud