Official Draft Ryan Mallet Thread

[Sunburn]

The comparison to DA was enough for me. I'm off the bandwagon.

 

[187]

If Luck is not there when we pick I hope we trade down, not really diggin who would be taking in the 2-7 range if Luck is gone.

 

[Southpaw]

both Leinart and DA have other GLARING issues than footwork. And Whiz fixed rothlisberger's footwork (I am going to keep saying that as fact, so it becomes indisputable fact).

Actually it was Mark Whipple who fixed The Rat, not Whiz.

 

[Southpaw]

Easy as A B C, 1 2 3, do re mi.

1.Luck
2.Mallet
3.Newton

If we don't get one of these guys, you might as well throw rotten lemons in my kool aid.

Newton is not even a QB. Major project. One year career playing in a high school offense.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Mallett is VERY different than Rodgers. First off Boller was the only Cal QB before Rodgers in ages to get picked high. There were Fresno State QB's when he coached QB's there, but that wasn't the failure of the offense to produce QB's, it was that the offense made the QB's there look better than they really were(like David Carr).

The year Rodgers came out I posted over and over we should pick him and everyone said the same thing, system QB, Tedford QB's suck, he's too small etc.

Mallett is much taller, and plays in a completely different system, Cal runs a pro set most of the time, hell they produce RB's more often than they do QB's, and there are a bunch of Cal OL's playing in the NFL.

The biggest knock on Rodgers had nothing to do with his actual play, it was the perception that Tedford made QB's look better than they really were. I didn't think he would be this good of course, but I knew he wasn't another Boller, who played exactly 1 year for Tedford(and had a career year). Boller was a workout wonder, Rodgers did it on the field consistently at Cal.

I just watched on replay(CBS college channel or something) the 2nd half of Alabama and Arkansas, Mallett made several ill advised throws in that half, even a couple that weren't picked off could have been and he threw 3 picks in that game as it was.

Scott Wright of Draft Countdown says he reminds him of Derek Anderson and that the "buzz" in scouting communities is there are character concerns, he didn't say what they were but he said they will play a definite role in where he gets drafted. I think he's better than DA was coming out of college but I do see the same thing when I watch him, many of the completions are off target, they're caught but they're high, left, right etc. in the NFL it's much harder to complete throws that aren't on target.

I wasn't comparing them as players just their draft situation.

 

[Southpaw]

Against Auburn and Alabama he was invisible.

I want Luck then Newton....

Invisible?

Against Auburn

Arkansas (4-2, 1-2) might have seen its SEC title hopes dashed and also lost its own Heisman hopeful, quarterback Ryan Mallett, who went out in the first half after taking a blow to the head.

Against Alabama, he was the reason they should have won and the reason they lost with 3 picks. He was still 25-38 & 357 yds in that one.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Invisible?

Against Auburn



Against Alabama, he was the reason they should have won and the reason they lost with 3 picks. He was still 25-38 & 357 yds in that one.

The Auburn game is when his back up came in and impressed the hell out of me.

Mallet is no slouch. He went to Michigan and was a top notch recruit. The only reason he transferred is because he didn't/wouldn't/couldn't play in the gimmick of an offene Rodriguez is running up there. He's proven himslef against the best conference in college football. I don't know what more he can do. I'm going to try and get the scouting word on him from that friend of mine. I haven't seen him much but he should be around for the holidays and I'll ask him.

 

[Mulli]

Actually it was Mark Whipple who fixed The Rat, not Whiz.

Hater.

 

[Southpaw]

Hater.

Well,..... sorta. Never liked the hire. Cards need a young gun coach. Ooooh, Gruden.

 

[Mulli]

Well,..... sorta. Never liked the hire. Cards need a young gun coach. Ooooh, Gruden.

Whiz is a year older.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

No thanks. Derek Anderson/Kyle Boller 2.0 with no intangibles. I would think the scouting comparison to Derek Anderson would scare everyone away.

You trade the farm to get Luck, or from what I saw last night, just continue to suck, and lose out and we get to draft him. Carolina will win two more games.

But I would take Locker over Mallett. He hasn't had the best year but he has all the physical tools. and the intangibles.

 

[Mulli]

No thanks. Derek Anderson/Kyle Boller 2.0 with no intangibles. I would think the scouting comparison to Derek Anderson would scare everyone away.

You trade the farm to get Luck, or from what I saw last night, just continue to suck, and lose out and we get to draft him. Carolina will win two more games.

But I would take Locker over Mallett. He hasn't had the best year but he has all the physical tools. and the intangibles.

The comparison to Anderson and Boller bear no relation to reality. I compare Mallet to Phillip Rivers, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady.

There, I cancelled out the meaningless scouting comparisons.

 

[Southpaw]

Whiz is a year older.

Not aging well.

 

[Mulli]

Not aging well.

What do whiz and gruden have in common?

Can't develop young Qbs.

Have done nothing since Super Bowl appearances.

 

[Southpaw]

What do whiz and gruden have in common?

Can't develop young Qbs.

Have done nothing since Super Bowl appearances.

Both front offices/owners went cheap after their SBs.

 

[Mulli]

Both front offices/owners went cheap after their SBs.

Typical. How were Gruden's drafts?

 

[kerouac9]

The Auburn game is when his back up came in and impressed the hell out of me.

Mallet is no slouch. He went to Michigan and was a top notch recruit. The only reason he transferred is because he didn't/wouldn't/couldn't play in the gimmick of an offene Rodriguez is running up there. He's proven himslef against the best conference in college football. I don't know what more he can do. I'm going to try and get the scouting word on him from that friend of mine. I haven't seen him much but he should be around for the holidays and I'll ask him.

So now he's running a gimmick offense at Arkansas with Bobby Petrino. What's the difference. Check out how Bobby Petrino's QBs have fared in the NFL.

 

[seesred]

We will sign a QB through trade or release. IMO we don't draft a first round QB with two kids in the wings now.

GBR
40

 

[Mulli]

We will sign a QB through trade or release. IMO we don't draft a first round QB with two kids in the wings now.

GBR
40

Ugh.

 

[D-Dogg]

Luck is a lock. Do whatever it takes to secure the pick for him. I don't really like any of the other QBs here. Luck is to Mallet as Manning is to Leaf. I'm not kidding, either...Luck is potentially the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning and has the goods where it counts for a QB - in the feet and in the head. His arm is good, not great, but with solid footwork and a quality mind it's better than guys with cannons but no skill to aim them.

Mallet worries the hell out of me, and I could easily see him melt down in the Cardinals hot mess of suck, Leaf style.

So do whatever you can, sell or trade whoever you need to, in order to get Andrew Luck. That's the only 1st round QB option, IMO.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

So now he's running a gimmick offense at Arkansas with Bobby Petrino. What's the difference. Check out how Bobby Petrino's QBs have fared in the NFL.

Has Rodriguez's offense even had a QB dratfed that's played QB in the NFL. No, I don't count Pat White running the wildcat playing QB in the NFL. At least Petrino's system has gotten QB's drafted and the QB's had some talent. What happens to them in the NFL is more on the NFL coaching than Petrino's system. Plus, I don't think Petrino has had any QB as talented as Mallet. Guys like Brohm and Redman weren't first round talents to begin with. Mallet is.

 

[kerouac9]

Has Rodriguez's offense even had a QB dratfed that's played QB in the NFL. No, I don't count Pat White running the wildcat playing QB in the NFL. At least Petrino's system has gotten QB's drafted and the QB's had some talent. What happens to them in the NFL is more on the NFL coaching than Petrino's system. Plus, I don't think Petrino has had any QB as talented as Mallet. Guys like Brohm and Redman weren't first round talents to begin with. Mallet is.

Brohm was considered a borderline 1st round pick. He was the 25th pick in the 2nd round of the 2008 draft--ahead of Chad Henne and Denis Dixon. He was drafted by the Packers and was immediately outperformed by a 7th round pick in Matt Flynn. Ask a Packers fan how much talent Brian Brohm has.

What is your estimation of Mallet's talent based on? His size? His arm strength? Watching him play in a Mickey Mouse offensive system?

You're right that RichRod hasn't produced NFL QBs, and it's hurting his recruiting at Michigan. But what does that have to do with anything? Mallett goes into Petrino's system and his completion percentage jumps by 10 points in a season? He's Kyle Boller.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

You're right that RichRod hasn't produced NFL QBs, and it's hurting his recruiting at Michigan. But what does that have to do with anything? Mallett goes into Petrino's system and his completion percentage jumps by 10 points in a season? He's Kyle Boller.

I'll go along with a lot of what you said but almost everyone's completion % jumps big after their freshman year. Not to mention you neglect to point out that Mallett had a full redshirt year in between to soak up Petrino's system. Andrew Luck's completion % has gone up 14% since last season for example. Still, not a big fan of Mallett.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Brohm was considered a borderline 1st round pick. He was the 25th pick in the 2nd round of the 2008 draft--ahead of Chad Henne and Denis Dixon. He was drafted by the Packers and was immediately outperformed by a 7th round pick in Matt Flynn. Ask a Packers fan how much talent Brian Brohm has.

What is your estimation of Mallet's talent based on? His size? His arm strength? Watching him play in a Mickey Mouse offensive system?

You're right that RichRod hasn't produced NFL QBs, and it's hurting his recruiting at Michigan. But what does that have to do with anything? Mallett goes into Petrino's system and his completion percentage jumps by 10 points in a season? He's Kyle Boller.

So you're saying we shouldn't draft him based solely on that he's playing for Bobby Petrino, who although short-lived, was a NFL HC. I'm basing my assessment on, of course size, arm strength, and the ability to make all the throws, that's a big factor for any QB, but also that he's been playing at a very high level against the best teams in college football. It's not like he's at Louisville and playing Conference USA type schools. He going against the Alabamas, Georgia's, and LSU's of the world and thriving. He deserves some credit for that. Look at Mallet's numbers this year, 30 TD's, 7 picks, 67% completion% and that is on an astonishing 9 yards per attempt. It's not like he's dinking and dunking. It can't all be the system. Granted, the system helps but you still have to have the ability to get the ball downfield.

I know I kind of contardict myself because Cam Newton is playing great against those schools and I want nothing to do with him but that's because I think Mallet is a much better passer of the football.

 

[kerouac9]

I'll go along with a lot of what you said but almost everyone's completion % jumps big after their freshman year. Not to mention you neglect to point out that Mallett had a full redshirt year in between to soak up Petrino's system. Andrew Luck's completion % has gone up 14% since last season for example. Still, not a big fan of Mallett.

But Junior to Senior year? Luck is playing in a pro-style system. Mallett is playing in a mickey mouse offense.

I'll go with Mallett on a trade down; the risk is lower and the opportunity cost is lower. But in the Top 5? Not a fan. Kyle Boller didn't cripple the Ravens for a half-decade because he was picked in the late teens. Joey Harrington crippled the Lions for a half-decade because he was picked in the Top 5. Alex Smith crippled the 49ers for a half-decade because he was picked #1 overall.

I wouldn't mind seeing us bring in Alex Smith if Whis really does want to run this shotgun, short-passing offense. That offense is garbage, IMO, but if that's what he wants to run, I think that Alex Smith can execute it.