Official Draft Ryan Mallet Thread

[kerouac9]

So you're saying we shouldn't draft him based solely on that he's playing for Bobby Petrino, who although short-lived, was a NFL HC. I'm basing my assessment on, of course size, arm strength, and the ability to make all the throws, that's a big factor for any QB, but also that he's been playing at a very high level against the best teams in college football. It's not like he's at Louisville and playing Conference USA type schools. He going against the Alabamas, Georgia's, and LSU's of the world and thriving. He deserves some credit for that. Look at Mallet's numbers this year, 30 TD's, 7 picks, 67% completion% and that is on an astonishing 9 yards per attempt. It's not like he's dinking and dunking. It can't all be the system. Granted, the system helps but you still have to have the ability to get the ball downfield.

I know I kind of contardict myself because Cam Newton is playing great against those schools and I want nothing to do with him but that's because I think Mallet is a much better passer of the football.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=164609

Brian Brohm's junior season: 63.6% completion, 9.74 YPA. With less talent around him across the board.

You're right, those 5 TDs that Mallett threw against UTEP are really impressive. And so are the 3 he threw against Vanderbilt. And the 9 combined he threw against Tennessee Tech, Louisiana-Monroe, and Mississippi State.

We shouldn't draft him in the Top 5 based on seeing him play. He's not a leader. His balls are all over the place. He plays in a mickey mouse offense. He's not a guy that I want. I don't need a physical specimen playing QB for me. I need a guy that meets the minimum requirements (which is my problem with Max Hall) at least, but whose team believes in him and can lead the team to wins against the best competition.

I don't believe in Ryan Mallett as a Top 10 quarterback. There's nothing wrong with that.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

But Junior to Senior year? Luck is playing in a pro-style system. Mallett is playing in a mickey mouse offense.

His completion % jumped 10 points from his freshman year at Michigan to his sophomore year at Arkansas and another 10% since then to what it is now currently his redshirt junior year.

I'll go with Mallett on a trade down; the risk is lower and the opportunity cost is lower. But in the Top 5? Not a fan. Kyle Boller didn't cripple the Ravens for a half-decade because he was picked in the late teens. Joey Harrington crippled the Lions for a half-decade because he was picked in the Top 5. Alex Smith crippled the 49ers for a half-decade because he was picked #1 overall.

I doubt we take him or any QB not named Andrew Luck top 5 anyways. I think the FO knows that this team is more than just a QB away and whatever QB that is needs to be able to play pretty damn quick (ie come from a somewhat pro-style offense).

I wouldn't mind seeing us bring in Alex Smith if Whis really does want to run this shotgun, short-passing offense. That offense is garbage, IMO, but if that's what he wants to run, I think that Alex Smith can execute it.

Smith is way too mentally weak to run any offense anywhere successfully.

 

[kerouac9]

His completion % jumped 10 points from his freshman year at Michigan to his sophomore year at Arkansas and another 10% since then to what it is now currently his redshirt junior year.

I doubt we take him or any QB not named Andrew Luck top 5 anyways. I think the FO knows that this team is more than just a QB away and whatever QB that is needs to be able to play pretty damn quick (ie come from a somewhat pro-style offense).

Smith is way too mentally weak to run any offense anywhere successfully.

You know that you don't get an extra year of eligibility when you transfer between Div I schools, right? That's a suspension year. Mallett is a senior.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=164609

Brian Brohm's junior season: 63.6% completion, 9.74 YPA. With less talent around him across the board.

You're right, those 5 TDs that Mallett threw against UTEP are really impressive. And so are the 3 he threw against Vanderbilt. And the 9 combined he threw against Tennessee Tech, Louisiana-Monroe, and Mississippi State.

We shouldn't draft him in the Top 5 based on seeing him play. He's not a leader. His balls are all over the place. He plays in a mickey mouse offense. He's not a guy that I want. I don't need a physical specimen playing QB for me. I need a guy that meets the minimum requirements (which is my problem with Max Hall) at least, but whose team believes in him and can lead the team to wins against the best competition.

I don't believe in Ryan Mallett as a Top 10 quarterback. There's nothing wrong with that.

You conveniently left off the 3 TD's each against LSU, Georgia, and A&M. I agree the guy has his flaws but to disregard how he has played is wrong.
You keep saying he's Kyle Boller, what are you basing that on, arm strenghth only? Because Kyle Boller's performance in college was not good and can't be remotely compared to what Mallet has done.
Boller's career stats at Cal were:
879 att 396 comp for a 45% comp rate and never over 50% in any year, 36 career TD's and 38 INT'S, and he only threw for over 2000 yards in a season once, barely at just over 2100(2121) yards his junior year. His career YPA was 5.8. He only threw more than 1 TD in a game 8 times in 31 games. His career passer rating college was 99. 1 with a high of 110 while Mallet's lowest rating in a game this year is 128 and his career low was his freshman year at 105, based on only 141 attempts.This year he's at 170 and last year 154.
Obviously Boller was drafted on arm strength only because his performance didn't warrant any more than late round UDFA grade but Billick became enamored because he could throw the ball threw the goal post from his knees from the 50. Mallet at least has the numbers to back him up.

 

[Southpaw]

I'll give Mallet bonus points for having played against SEC defenses. On the other hand, the Pac 10 doesn't actually play defense. Andrew Luck's ability may come from his father's tutoring. Oliver Luck, although not a perennial All Pro, allowed Andy a background very few can have.

I still like the physical abilities of Jake Locker and Christian Ponder.

 

[Mulli]

You conveniently left off the 3 TD's each against LSU, Georgia, and A&M. I agree the guy has his flaws but to disregard how he has played is wrong.
You keep saying he's Kyle Boller, what are you basing that on, arm strenghth only? Because Kyle Boller's performance in college was not good and can't be remotely compared to what Mallet has done.
Boller's career stats at Cal were:
879 att 396 comp for a 45% comp rate and never over 50% in any year, 36 career TD's and 38 INT'S, and he only threw for over 2000 yards in a season once, barely at just over 2100(2121) yards his junior year. His career YPA was 5.8. He only threw more than 1 TD in a game 8 times in 31 games. His career passer rating college was 99. 1 with a high of 110 while Mallet's lowest rating in a game this year is 128 and his career low was his freshman year at 105, based on only 141 attempts.This year he's at 170 and last year 154.
Obviously Boller was drafted on arm strength only because his performance didn't warrant any more than late round UDFA grade but Billick became enamored because he could throw the ball threw the goal post from his knees from the 50. Mallet at least has the numbers to back him up.

Holy cow, that is terrible.

 

[football karma]

Boller's career stats at Cal were:
879 att 396 comp for a 45% comp rate and never over 50% in any year, 36 career TD's and 38 INT'S, and he only threw for over 2000 yards in a season once, barely at just over 2100(2121) yards his junior year. His career YPA was 5.8. He only threw more than 1 TD in a game 8 times in 31 games. His career passer rating college was 99. 1 with a high of 110

yikes

I dont know if it was Football Outsiders or somebody else who did the regression to predict what college QBs would be good as pros -- but the indicators as I remember them basically are: upper third wonderlic score and a 60% or better completion % in college. I am sure there are a few others.

really makes you wonder about Locker -- whose best completion rate is 58%, and that was as a junior.

 

[kerouac9]

yikes

I dont know if it was Football Outsiders or somebody else who did the regression to predict what college QBs would be good as pros -- but the indicators as I remember them basically are: upper third wonderlic score and a 60% or better completion % in college. I am sure there are a few others.

really makes you wonder about Locker -- whose best completion rate is 58%, and that was as a junior.

It's number of college starts, completion percentage, and Wunderlic score. It's only good for quarterbacks taken in the first two rounds, though.


EDIT: BTW, #7 had the highest rating on this system of any quarterback they ever put into it.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

You know that you don't get an extra year of eligibility when you transfer between Div I schools, right? That's a suspension year. Mallett is a senior.

You do know that when you transfer schools that players will use their redshirt year, right? So that they technically don't use a year of eligibility? Mallett is a junior. I've never heard anybody call the redshirt year sitting out after a transfer a "suspension" year. Sorry, but college football just isn't your forte.

 

[kerouac9]

You do know that when you transfer schools that players will use their redshirt year, right? So that they technically don't use a year of eligibility? Mallett is a junior. I've never heard anybody call the redshirt year sitting out after a transfer a "suspension" year. Sorry, but college football just isn't your forte.

Weird. I thought that's why Flacco transferred down to Delaware after he left Pitt, and why Newton took a sabbattical at Junior College after leaving Florida?

 

[john h]

he looked really good against LSU this past saturday

of note -- he is completing 67% of his throws this year.

He also played on a team with the 6th toughest schedule in college football. He is not ranked 8th on Kipers board because he is not ready for the NFL. Hopefully if Auburn beats South Carolina this Saturday then Arkansas will go to the Sugar Bowl and will likely play Michigan or one of the other 10-1 teams in the Big 10. Another good luck at Mallet as it will be on prime time around the nation.

One team that has really impressed me this year is Wisconsin who will likely end up in the Rose Bowl. If Auburn were to lose to South Carolina I have no idea how all this would shake out other than South Carolina, who Arkansas beat, would end up in the Sugar Bowl.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

Weird. I thought that's why Flacco transferred down to Delaware after he left Pitt, and why Newton took a sabbattical at Junior College after leaving Florida?

Newton got kicked out of school, that's why he ended up in JC. I think Flacco went to Deleware because you don't have to sit out a year when transferring to a FCS school instead of another FBS program.

 

[kerouac9]

Newton got kicked out of school, that's why he ended up in JC. I think Flacco went to Deleware because you don't have to sit out a year when transferring to a FCS school instead of another FBS program.

I thought the story was that he left when Tebow announced he was coming back for his senior year, and then he didn't want to sit out a year from football. Officially, at least, Newton wasn't kicked out of school.

 

[Snakester]

Andrew Luck or nothing. Trade up, what ever it takes.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

He also played on a team with the 6th toughest schedule in college football. He is not ranked 8th on Kipers board because he is not ready for the NFL. Hopefully if Auburn beats South Carolina this Saturday then Arkansas will go to the Sugar Bowl and will likely play Michigan or one of the other 10-1 teams in the Big 10. Another good luck at Mallet as it will be on prime time around the nation.

One team that has really impressed me this year is Wisconsin who will likely end up in the Rose Bowl. If Auburn were to lose to South Carolina I have no idea how all this would shake out other than South Carolina, who Arkansas beat, would end up in the Sugar Bowl.

Word around here is that OSU will be in the Sugar Bowl against LSU or Arkansas,unless Auburn loses.

 

[kerouac9]

He also played on a team with the 6th toughest schedule in college football. He is not ranked 8th on Kipers board because he is not ready for the NFL. Hopefully if Auburn beats South Carolina this Saturday then Arkansas will go to the Sugar Bowl and will likely play Michigan or one of the other 10-1 teams in the Big 10. Another good luck at Mallet as it will be on prime time around the nation.

One team that has really impressed me this year is Wisconsin who will likely end up in the Rose Bowl. If Auburn were to lose to South Carolina I have no idea how all this would shake out other than South Carolina, who Arkansas beat, would end up in the Sugar Bowl.

Where was Jimmy Clausen ranked on last year's Big Board? Mel Kiper has no more authority than the rest of us.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Andrew Luck or nothing. Trade up, what ever it takes.

I agree. If it takes 2 first rounders, so be it. Look at what Sam Bradford has done for St. Louis. Sans an elite qb, (or defense which we are light years away from) there is no chance of succeeding in the NFL. Luck is as surefire a prospect as there has been in years. Git'er done.

 

[D-Dogg]

Andrew Luck or nothing. Trade up, what ever it takes.

I agree. If it takes 2 first rounders, so be it. Look at what Sam Bradford has done for St. Louis. Sans an elite qb, (or defense which we are light years away from) there is no chance of succeeding in the NFL. Luck is as surefire a prospect as there has been in years. Git'er done.

Luck is a lock. Do whatever it takes to secure the pick for him. I don't really like any of the other QBs here. Luck is to Mallet as Manning is to Leaf. I'm not kidding, either...Luck is potentially the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning and has the goods where it counts for a QB - in the feet and in the head. His arm is good, not great, but with solid footwork and a quality mind it's better than guys with cannons but no skill to aim them.

Mallet worries the hell out of me, and I could easily see him melt down in the Cardinals hot mess of suck, Leaf style.

So do whatever you can, sell or trade whoever you need to, in order to get Andrew Luck. That's the only 1st round QB option, IMO.

Looks like we have ourselves a club brewing!

 

[Shane]

Looks like we have ourselves a club brewing!

Count me in the club.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Looks like we have ourselves a club brewing!

I'm all for doing what it takes to get Luck as well. It's the most important position on the team. Hopefully the FO has learned that.
I'm just trying to get myself ready for Mallet because it would be a collosal upset for Graves to make a trade like that.

 

[Mulli]

Assuming Andrew Luck is gone, I would be fine if the Cards drafted Ryan Mallet, QB, Arkansas, in the first round.

Thoughts?

Threadjackers!!!

 

[desertdawg]

Count me in the club.

Luck or bust in the draft.

 

[oaken1]

Looks like we have ourselves a club brewing!

The Joy over LUCK club??

 

[Mulli]

The Joy over LUCK club??

3/5

 

[oaken1]

3/5

so,....pardon my idiocy, but I havent been around much..

is that like a rating or something?