Ok Kolb bashers

[PACardsFan]

I'm not a huge Kolb guy, but he deserves his due for staying in the pocket as opposed to running backwards & to the sidelines. He showed a tremendous amount of calm under difficult circumstances & came up big with the game on the line. Unfortunately, I don't see the guy being able to survive the season with this OL in front of him. There's NO doubt that this is Kolb's job, but I have a feeling that we haven't seen the last of John Skelton this season. Bottom line, kudos to Whisenhunt for creating a mentally & physically tough team that fights to the final gun EVERY week. That won't change REGARDLESS of who's playing QB for us. It's obvious our gameplan was to force Tannehill to beat us & he almost did. But our pressure did force him into turnovers that eventually won the game for us. I'm so, so impressed with the heart of this team!! If we can improve our OL play, the next few years can be the franchise's best

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'm not a huge Kolb guy, but he deserves his due for staying in the pocket as opposed to running backwards & to the sidelines. He showed a tremendous amount of calm under difficult circumstances & came up big with the game on the line. Unfortunately, I don't see the guy being able to survive the season with this OL in front of him. There's NO doubt that this is Kolb's job, but I have a feeling that we haven't seen the last of John Skelton this season. Bottom line, kudos to Whisenhunt for creating a mentally & physically tough team that fights to the final gun EVERY week. That won't change REGARDLESS of who's playing QB for us. It's obvious our gameplan was to force Tannehill to beat us & he almost did. But our pressure did force him into turnovers that eventually won the game for us. I'm so, so impressed with the heart of this team!! If we can improve our OL play, the next few years can be the franchise's best

Agreed.

Steve

 

[52brandon]

sacked 8 times?!?! This is a different Kevin Kolb than we saw last year

 

[Stout]

Calling him this seasons Skelton does him no justice. Skelton wishes he have a comp% like this and a YPA like this etc.... Outside of two throws he was nails all day long. With zero protection 9 sacks and zero running game.

Hey, I gave him all the props in the world, and it was a freaking joke--smilied and all--about him making mistakes early but making good late. I'm not going to anoint him the second coming of Christ, so shove it. Stop taking crap out of context.

Yep
As someone else said, peeps will just find a way to knock Kolb & I don't get it.

Oh, so you start an inflammatory thread, have a guy who hasn't liked Kolb at all praise him to death, yet I don't praise him enough for you? I didn't knock Kolb in the least, and you're either illiterate or didn't even read my post to think so. I'll vote for the latter, and wait for your GD apology.

 

[52brandon]

lmao. 4-0 for the first time in 38 years. Our D is as good as it's ever been. Our offense is finally starting to come together. This team has forged it's own identity, and is finally getting recognized nation-wide. Yet we still have to bicker with eachother about every little detail. Only the Cardinals

can we just enjoy it for a little bit? lol

 

[Totally_Red]

Kevin Kolb overcame a lot on Sunday to help the Cardinals get a big win over a tough Miami team that came to play. The Cardinal defense had an off day across the board with the exception of Calais Campbell and Sam Acho. The running game was non-existent and the offensive line was downright awful, especially the two tackles. Kolb overcame his own serious mistake in throwing the interception then led the game-tying TD drive in regulation and the game-winning drive in overtime. He deserves the lion's share of the credit for this victory in my opinion.

 

[52brandon]

Kevin Kolb overcame a lot on Sunday to help the Cardinals get a big win over a tough Miami team that came to play. The Cardinal defense had an off day across the board with the exception of Calais Campbell and Sam Acho. The running game was non-existent and the offensive line was downright awful, especially the two tackles. Kolb overcame his own serious mistake in throwing the interception then led the game-tying TD drive in regulation and the game-winning drive in overtime. He deserves the lion's share of the credit for this victory in my opinion.

I thought AW (team-leading 10 tackles, 1 sack, 2 tackels for losses, 2 QB hits, and 3 PDs including that pick that was robbed), Scho (4 tackles, 1 for a loss, 1 sack and 2 QB hits), Rhodes (5 tackles, 2 PDs and a pick), and Wash (5 tackles, 1 sack. And I think a FF too) also had great games. Toler made a legit case for more time in the limited minutes he saw (7 tackles, 1 for a loss, that clutch pick and 2 PDs) as well. Sadly, Gay got just TORCHED. Everybody has bad games, but when you look at that and how well Toler came in and got **** done, it's hard to say Gay belongs above him in the depth charts anymore

 

[Totally_Red]

I thought AW (team-leading 10 tackles, 1 sack, 2 tackels for losses, 2 QB hits, and 3 PDs including that pick that was robbed), Scho (4 tackles, 1 for a loss, 1 sack and 2 QB hits), Rhodes (5 tackles, 2 PDs and a pick), and Wash (5 tackles, 1 sack. And I think a FF too) also had great games. Toler made a legit case for more time in the limited minutes he saw (7 tackles, 1 for a loss, that clutch pick and 2 PDs) as well. Sadly, Gay got just TORCHED. Everybody has bad games, but when you look at that and how well Toler came in and got **** done, it's hard to say Gay belongs above him in the depth charts anymore

Agree that Toler did have a good game. He got beat for the third Miami TD, but probably was expecting deep help on the play.

 

[52brandon]

Agree that Toler did have a good game. He got beat for the third Miami TD, but probably was expecting deep help on the play.

agreed. He was far from perfect, but still much better than Gay

 

[Russ Smith]

This. I don't think anyone has a problem with Kolb, but the recriminations against posters who just recognized that he was horrible last year don't make a ton of sense.

Good win with bad Kolb. Kolb made the case that he should continue to start, but failed to make the case that he should have a $9 million salary and $14 million cap charge in 2013.

So we're basically where we were last week.

And LOLs at people who were comparing this performance to one of Warner's. This was a vintage Jake Plummer performance, up to and including the dumb INT in the two minute drill at the end of the half.

Vintage Jake Plummer the 2 picks would have been in the first quarter, one would have been a picksix, the other in the endzone.

Until that pick on the last drive of the half Kolb had done a nice job of not panicking under a serious rush. He wasn't getting much yardage but he was protecting the ball. He had a big play to Floyd that Floyd didn't catch(not a perfect throw but catchable).

The pick was one of those plays where he apparently thought Fitz was breaking in and Fitz broke up and the DB was right where he threw it. Not a great throw by any means but not nearly as bad as the 2nd one and again that was somewhat tempered by the obvious PI that wasn't called.

2 really bad decisions and there was another throw to Fitz where he thought Fitz had stopped and Fitz cut and the ball was behind and close to being picked.

 

[Duckjake]

Vintage Jake Plummer the 2 picks would have been in the first quarter, one would have been a picksix, the other in the endzone.

Until that pick on the last drive of the half Kolb had done a nice job of not panicking under a serious rush. He wasn't getting much yardage but he was protecting the ball. He had a big play to Floyd that Floyd didn't catch(not a perfect throw but catchable).

The pick was one of those plays where he apparently thought Fitz was breaking in and Fitz broke up and the DB was right where he threw it. Not a great throw by any means but not nearly as bad as the 2nd one and again that was somewhat tempered by the obvious PI that wasn't called.

2 really bad decisions and there was another throw to Fitz where he thought Fitz had stopped and Fitz cut and the ball was behind and close to being picked.

Well that one INT might as well have been a pick six since the D fell asleep on the next play and gave up an 80 yard TD pass and it was thrown in the end zone.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I guess I just don't get what people expect. Should he not throw an INT all season? Again he is 7-2 TD/ INT for the season. I don't care if both INTs were the dumbest ever thrown and al 7 TDs were absolute luck. that's impressive.

I think Shane is the only one else saying this but the "ceiling" for Kolb that K9 and others have bestowed on him based on last year and meaningless ass preseason needs to be rechecked. He hasn't missed a throw in 2 games now. He's essentially the 2nd most accurate QB we have had since moving to Az at this point and all that bitching about his "pocket presence" is unfounded. He got beat like a rag doll yesterday and still stepped up big time.

Kolb can be a Pro Bowler. I'm seeing now what I saw in him last offseason. This is EXACTLY he player I thought we were getting. He has made big throw after big throw and we stil have posters coming on the board picking things apart when the overall evidence is you have NO argument.

Again 7-2 and 4-0. One of the highest QB ratings and QBrs in the league. Nuff said.

The problem isn't Kolb anymore. it's the prism you viewed him in PRIOR to the last drive in Game 1. If this was last year and the EXACT same circumstances had taken place the first 4 games, we would be hailing our new franchise QB and some of us even might be crazy enough to compare him to Aaron Rodgers

I'm still concerned if he can stay healthy but I don't think I'm going out On a limb saying Kolb is our QB the rest of the season even WITH a couple bad games. which will happen.

But now we know he's capable of the good games too.

 

[Russ Smith]

I guess I just don't get what people expect. Should he not throw an INT all season? Again he is 7-2 TD/ INT for the season. I don't care if both INTs were the dumbest ever thrown and al 7 TDs were absolute luck. that's impressive.

I think Shane is the only one else saying this but the "ceiling" for Kolb that K9 and others have bestowed on him based on last year and meaningless ass preseason needs to be rechecked. He hasn't missed a throw in 2 games now. He's essentially the 2nd most accurate QB we have had since moving to Az at this point and all that bitching about his "pocket presence" is unfounded. He got beat like a rag doll yesterday and still stepped up big time.

Kolb can be a Pro Bowler. I'm seeing now what I saw in him last offseason. This is EXACTLY he player I thought we were getting. He has made big throw after big throw and we stil have posters coming on the board picking things apart when the overall evidence is you have NO argument.

Again 7-2 and 4-0. One of the highest QB ratings and QBrs in the league. Nuff said.

The problem isn't Kolb anymore. it's the prism you viewed him in PRIOR to the last drive in Game 1. If this was last year and the EXACT same circumstances had taken place the first 4 games, we would be hailing our new franchise QB and some of us even might be crazy enough to compare him to Aaron Rodgers

I'm still concerned if he can stay healthy but I don't think I'm going out On a limb saying Kolb is our QB the rest of the season even WITH a couple bad games. which will happen.

But now we know he's capable of the good games too.

Agreed that this is who I thought Kolb could be when we traded for him.

One thing people don't mention and I'd love to see the stat on it but Cards QB's are always going to throw picks simply because of the makeup of our WR situation.

Kolb had 2 picks yesterday and a 3rd that was dangerously close to a pick, ALL 3 were thrown to Fitz. The first Fitz broke the opposite way of where Kolb threw it the dangerous one same thing Fitz stopped, Kolb threw it to him and then Fitz moved again and the ball was behind him.

Fitz is an alltime great WR but the nature of his game is that he's often not that open and if there's any miscommunication at all, those close throws get picked.

You have to throw to him he's just too good not to but even with Warner we saw several INT's where he and Fitz failed to be on the same page. Kurt learned when it doubt put up high and outside(like the one Kolb threw to Floyd in the endzone), Kevin will probably learn that too.

 

[Shane]

Hey, I gave him all the props in the world, and it was a freaking joke--smilied and all--about him making mistakes early but making good late. I'm not going to anoint him the second coming of Christ, so shove it. Stop taking crap out of context.
.

I didn't take anything out of context. I quoted what you wrote and responded to it. You don't like it? Tough. Funny how when you don't like a response you say you were joking. Yet no hint of it being a joke in your first post.

 

[Shane]

Agreed that this is who I thought Kolb could be when we traded for him.

One thing people don't mention and I'd love to see the stat on it but Cards QB's are always going to throw picks simply because of the makeup of our WR situation.

Kolb had 2 picks yesterday and a 3rd that was dangerously close to a pick, ALL 3 were thrown to Fitz. The first Fitz broke the opposite way of where Kolb threw it the dangerous one same thing Fitz stopped, Kolb threw it to him and then Fitz moved again and the ball was behind him.

Fitz is an alltime great WR but the nature of his game is that he's often not that open and if there's any miscommunication at all, those close throws get picked.

You have to throw to him he's just too good not to but even with Warner we saw several INT's where he and Fitz failed to be on the same page. Kurt learned when it doubt put up high and outside(like the one Kolb threw to Floyd in the endzone), Kevin will probably learn that too.

That's what I don't get Russ. We've all seen numerous posts in here begging our QBs to just throw it to Fitz more times a game. Force it if necessary because Fitz even when not open Is open and can make a catch/play etc... Then when he does it and ends up picked the same people moan that he threw to a covered WR. It's quite funny really.

 

[Duckjake]

That's what I don't get Russ. We've all seen numerous posts in here begging our QBs to just throw it to Fitz more times a game. Force it if necessary because Fitz even when not open Is open and can make a catch/play etc... Then when he does it and ends up picked the same people moan that he threw to a covered WR. It's quite funny really.

links? And not one or two I want to see numerous links.

 

[Shane]

links? And not one or two I want to see numerous links.

I don't need to link it if you post here you've seen the posts of people saying Fitz is a different animal and you need to throw to him even when he doesn't have separation.

 

[Dr. Jones]

From Sando's blog....

In his postgame news conference, Ken Whisenhunt refused to gush, pointing out the flaws in his performance. The head coach clearly understands how fleeting success can be in the NFL. But that game-tying pass to Andre Roberts on fourth down was an artful, transcendent moment. It was the kind of pressure pass -- blistering, accurate and free of fear -- that only comes from big-time quarterbacks."

 

[Chopper0080]

I don't think you are able to accurately assess how good or bad he does with going through reads when he essentially has time to make two reads at the most before he has a defender hanging off his jersey. If it's not Massie getting taken to task, it's Batiste. Even if he does struggle with making reads, passing for 64% completion and having a 7-2 TD:INT ratio isn't half bad with all things considered.

His pocket presence was lacking today, but overall for the season, he is undoubtedly better than you give him credit for. He isn't sensing pressure that doesn't exist anymore like he did in preseason and breaking containment. In addition, he is not taking anymore ill-timed intentional grounding penalties.

I'll hold off judgement about where our first rounder will go until the end of the season, but if it were to end today, I'd address the offensive line.

I can tell you when Kolb is double clutching in the pocket as we saw yesterday, he is locking onto one target and waitinf for the person to get open.

As far as protection, yes it limit his ability to do certain things, but "Franchise" QBs overcome their teams limitations. They make screen passes to slow the rush, they get through their progressions, and they adjust their protection to get the best out of their protection matchups. I loved how Kolb made the most of the opportunities the defense gave him yesterday, but he missed on many of these things.

Again, I'm not saying we can't win with Kolb because we are 4-0 with him this year. What I am saying is he struggles with some elementary things which I wonder if he can ever develop. The pick in the end zone was huge to me. It is a basic roll out, one read and then throw it away. They had the lead and needed to protect the ball, and Kolb screwed up royally. As much as people were bashing Ryan Williams for fumbling in New England, they should be as upset with Kolb yesterday on that play.

 

[Chopper0080]

I guess I just don't get what people expect. Should he not throw an INT all season? Again he is 7-2 TD/ INT for the season. I don't care if both INTs were the dumbest ever thrown and al 7 TDs were absolute luck. that's impressive.

I think Shane is the only one else saying this but the "ceiling" for Kolb that K9 and others have bestowed on him based on last year and meaningless ass preseason needs to be rechecked. He hasn't missed a throw in 2 games now. He's essentially the 2nd most accurate QB we have had since moving to Az at this point and all that bitching about his "pocket presence" is unfounded. He got beat like a rag doll yesterday and still stepped up big time.

Kolb can be a Pro Bowler. I'm seeing now what I saw in him last offseason. This is EXACTLY he player I thought we were getting. He has made big throw after big throw and we stil have posters coming on the board picking things apart when the overall evidence is you have NO argument.

Again 7-2 and 4-0. One of the highest QB ratings and QBrs in the league. Nuff said.

The problem isn't Kolb anymore. it's the prism you viewed him in PRIOR to the last drive in Game 1. If this was last year and the EXACT same circumstances had taken place the first 4 games, we would be hailing our new franchise QB and some of us even might be crazy enough to compare him to Aaron Rodgers

I'm still concerned if he can stay healthy but I don't think I'm going out On a limb saying Kolb is our QB the rest of the season even WITH a couple bad games. which will happen.

But now we know he's capable of the good games too.

Kevin Kolb's endzone int was very similar to Ryan Williams fumble in New England. Inexcusable. Ryan Williams is in his second year, Kevin Kolb is not.

 

[Shane]

Kevin Kolb's endzone int was very similar to Ryan Williams fumble in New England. Inexcusable. Ryan Williams is in his second year, Kevin Kolb is not.

So was Eli Mannings gift pass to DRC in the endzone in the 4th QTR yesterday. Incredibly dumb throw. Manning is in his 9th year and has won two superbowls. So what it happens?

 

[Dr. Jones]

Neither is Eli Manning. His INT to DRC last night was just as bad.

And although it was a horrible decision, even future Hall of Famers aren't perfect.

 

[Dr. Jones]

So was Eli Mannings gift pass to DRC n the 4th QTR yesterday. Incredibly dumb throw. Manning is in his 9th year and has won two superbowls. So what?

JINX!

lol

 

[Chopper0080]

So was Eli Mannings gift pass to DRC in the endzone in the 4th QTR yesterday. Incredibly dumb throw. Manning is in his 9th year and has won two superbowls. So what it happens?

Eli Manning has won two Super Bowls and was behind at the time. He tried to make a play to put his team in the lead and it backfired.

Kevin Kolb had the lead, and just needed to make sure the team came away with some points. He failed to do so.

Big difference between the two as players and in the specific situation.

 

[kerouac9]

I guess I just don't get what people expect. Should he not throw an INT all season? Again he is 7-2 TD/ INT for the season. I don't care if both INTs were the dumbest ever thrown and al 7 TDs were absolute luck. that's impressive.

I think Shane is the only one else saying this but the "ceiling" for Kolb that K9 and others have bestowed on him based on last year and meaningless ass preseason needs to be rechecked. He hasn't missed a throw in 2 games now. He's essentially the 2nd most accurate QB we have had since moving to Az at this point and all that bitching about his "pocket presence" is unfounded. He got beat like a rag doll yesterday and still stepped up big time.

Kolb can be a Pro Bowler. I'm seeing now what I saw in him last offseason. This is EXACTLY he player I thought we were getting. He has made big throw after big throw and we stil have posters coming on the board picking things apart when the overall evidence is you have NO argument.

Again 7-2 and 4-0. One of the highest QB ratings and QBrs in the league. Nuff said.

The problem isn't Kolb anymore. it's the prism you viewed him in PRIOR to the last drive in Game 1. If this was last year and the EXACT same circumstances had taken place the first 4 games, we would be hailing our new franchise QB and some of us even might be crazy enough to compare him to Aaron Rodgers

I'm still concerned if he can stay healthy but I don't think I'm going out On a limb saying Kolb is our QB the rest of the season even WITH a couple bad games. which will happen.

But now we know he's capable of the good games too.

Recency bias much? It's hilarious to me that you're trying to assert authority after admitting that your analysis of the Arizona QB position cannot be trusted.

Let's let Kevin Kolb put a full game together before we start crowning him a Franchise quarterback, huh? I for one am still pretty unconfident when we're forced to go spread offense, shotgun formation for full series.

First HALF, Kolb was 10 of 14 for 71 yards and an INT. 5.07 YPA. And a killer and unnecessary INT where he was watching Fitz the entire way and the D just followed his eyes.

Franchise QB? Mmm... if you're going to say that this is the best that he's going to be able to offer--that this is the production that we're going to see at his top form, then I'm going to say "no."

This performance was a lot like the Washington performance that we saw last year, only the luck was on our side instead of the opposition's at the end of the game.

If this is Kolb's "Good" game, then he's Matt Cassell-level. Not a "Franchise" quarterback.