One More Move

[jlove]

Ok, quickly, as a 3 team deal with NY, Nuggets and the Suns, I came up with this:

Phoenix gets: Nene, Turriaf, Randolph
NY gets: Melo, Balkman
Denver gets: VC (Exp), Curry (Exp), Gallinari, Chandler, Douglas ***Orl pick from us, and a 2012 pick from NY.

Maybe follow this up with sending Lopez to Denver or NY for a 2nd round pick. Or keep Lopez and send Gortat somewhere for ????? since he's in high demand as well. I'd rather keep him and send off Lopez though.

Suns get SIZE, defense and rebounding while shedding off that extra wing player.

NY gets Melo to play along with Felton and Amare.

Denver gets 2 BIG expiring contracts, a few good young shooters/slashers and some draft picks.

 

[jandaman]

That Blazers/Suns/Hawks trade is bit of a risk for the Suns... and its a HUGE steal from Blazers.

They get bailed out with an 18 Million dollar expiring for Camby and Miller...
For an 18 Million dollar expiring, Blazers have to be getting rid of big contract they do not want and giving up a prospect that the other team covets...

Vince Carter + filler for Roy and Aldridge.....

Thats the sort of deal you expect to get from the Blazers for an 18 Million dollar expiring... They have doubts with Roy and Im sure are regretting his big contract... and would like to be out of it... Roy with his knees is not worth 15 Million for the next 5 years basically... maybe 7-8 Million, he'd still put up 16/4/4.

If I was Babby...I'd ring Cho (Blazers GM)... offer them a bail out off Roy's contract... allowing them to rebuild quick and "undo" the bad signings...

Vince Carter + Orlando 2011 first + Suns 2011 first + Warrick + Childress for Roy + Aldridge.


Suns:
C: Gortat/Lopez
PF: Aldridge/Frye
SF: Hill/Dudley
SG: Roy/Pietrus
PG: Nash/Dragic


Blazers (next season)
C: Oden/Pryzibilla
PF: Camby/Warrick
SF: Batum/Childress
SG: Matthews/Fernandez
PG: Miller/FA

+ 2 First round picks

Thats still a semi-good team, then when Miller expires... Camby expires... they have a young core that still can make the playoffs... Matthews have proven he is a good scorer.. Fernandez shall thrive.... Oden will be back....


For Suns..
They can work their magic on Roy..... Aldridge is their 20/9 PF...

It sounds FAR FETCH... but Blazers FO messed up big time by inking Roy at a Max contract.... I mean he is one of my faves... but his knees are trouble some indeed... maybe at 7 Million a year he's SAFE with him putting up 16/4/4 and occasionally missing a game here and there.... but at 15 Million... thats Allan Houston type crippling for them...

Suns can sort of afford it... because they get to RUN for a championship for the next 2 seasons... Suns depth also allows them to rest Roy a lot.....

 

[Sunburn]

I think that trailblazers scenario is riskier than the hawks trade. Roy and Aldridge over Smith? Gimme a break. Roy could be done and has a huge contract. Aldridge is another tissue soft big.

Given tho that giving up Lopez is a risk. Do Not Give Up Our Bigs.

 

[Hat]

That Blazers/Suns/Hawks trade is bit of a risk for the Suns... and its a HUGE steal from Blazers.

They get bailed out with an 18 Million dollar expiring for Camby and Miller...
For an 18 Million dollar expiring, Blazers have to be getting rid of big contract they do not want and giving up a prospect that the other team covets...

Vince Carter + filler for Roy and Aldridge.....

Thats the sort of deal you expect to get from the Blazers for an 18 Million dollar expiring... They have doubts with Roy and Im sure are regretting his big contract... and would like to be out of it... Roy with his knees is not worth 15 Million for the next 5 years basically... maybe 7-8 Million, he'd still put up 16/4/4.

If I was Babby...I'd ring Cho (Blazers GM)... offer them a bail out off Roy's contract... allowing them to rebuild quick and "undo" the bad signings...

Vince Carter + Orlando 2011 first + Suns 2011 first + Warrick + Childress for Roy + Aldridge.


Suns:
C: Gortat/Lopez
PF: Aldridge/Frye
SF: Hill/Dudley
SG: Roy/Pietrus
PG: Nash/Dragic


Blazers (next season)
C: Oden/Pryzibilla
PF: Camby/Warrick
SF: Batum/Childress
SG: Matthews/Fernandez
PG: Miller/FA

+ 2 First round picks

Thats still a semi-good team, then when Miller expires... Camby expires... they have a young core that still can make the playoffs... Matthews have proven he is a good scorer.. Fernandez shall thrive.... Oden will be back....


For Suns..
They can work their magic on Roy..... Aldridge is their 20/9 PF...

It sounds FAR FETCH... but Blazers FO messed up big time by inking Roy at a Max contract.... I mean he is one of my faves... but his knees are trouble some indeed... maybe at 7 Million a year he's SAFE with him putting up 16/4/4 and occasionally missing a game here and there.... but at 15 Million... thats Allan Houston type crippling for them...

Suns can sort of afford it... because they get to RUN for a championship for the next 2 seasons... Suns depth also allows them to rest Roy a lot.....

Sorry but I don't like that deal. Suns take on a HUGE risk with Roy, and we don't get any better with bringing in Aldridge. He's just a bigger Warrick. I am pretty sure Roy is done within a few years if he doesn't take the season ending surgery. The guy has zero cartilage left in his knee.

 

[jagu]

Anyway we can get Kevin Love? Rolo + 2 protected first rounders?

Gortat
Love
Hill
Carter
Nash

Woot!

Outrebounded NO MORE!

 

[elindholm]

Anyway we can get Kevin Love? Rolo + 2 protected first rounders?

Sí señor, eef you are smoaking wat I em smoaking...

 

[Folster]

There is no way the Suns take Roy and his contract. They didn't offer a fully guaranteed deal to Stoudemire because they feared about the long-term health of his knees. Roy is maxed out and his knees are not insured meaning the Blazers will have to pay him every cent of his contract despite his injury problems.

 

[TBaslim]

Posted this in the trade thread...

Please no trade of Gortat for someone like Smith until we see how he does in the Suns system. Same with Lopez. Let's see what having a full 40+ minutes of athletic, defensive-minded true centers does for the team before getting rid of one of them, esp for Smith or Jason Thompson.

For Kevin Love? Sure, ship one of them now. Love appears to be a real-deal franchise player. Al Horford? Same thing. Do a trade yesterday. For Josh Smith? Meh not so sure - give it some time.

Vince Carter, Warrick and a pick or two for Smith in some kind of 3-way trade? No problem.

Badly needed centers who can defend and actually play in our system? Bigger assets that need a bigger return.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Posted this in the trade thread...

Please no trade of Gortat for someone like Smith until we see how he does in the Suns system. Same with Lopez. Let's see what having a full 40+ minutes of athletic, defensive-minded true centers does for the team before getting rid of one of them, esp for Smith or Jason Thompson.

For Kevin Love? Sure, ship one of them now. Love appears to be a real-deal franchise player. Al Horford? Same thing. Do a trade yesterday. For Josh Smith? Meh not so sure - give it some time.

Vince Carter, Warrick and a pick or two for Smith in some kind of 3-way trade? No problem.

Badly needed centers who can defend and actually play in our system? Bigger assets that need a bigger return.

I think the vast majority of us agree with you on Gortat. Lopez showed flashes last night so I wouldn't rush to trade him but if Gortat is the real deal (average center, maybe a little better) than I wouldn't hesitate to include Lopez in a deal for the right player.

Steve

 

[jagu]

Sí señor, eef you are smoaking wat I em smoaking...

Hahaha, hey a man can dream! Gortat+Love. OMFG.

 

[devilalum]

Hahaha, hey a man can dream! Gortat+Love. OMFG.

I got Love on my fantasy team in the 8th round.

Needless to say I'm destroying my league.

 

[jlove]

Well, if the Suns aren't planning on any other trades, I hate to say it, then they need to look at bringing in another PG. Something's up with Dragic. Just not playing the way he showed last year. When Nash isn't in there, the offense seems to stall. If Vince Carter is staying with the Suns, he needs to come off the bench......for 2 reasons: #1 Dudley has been a beast at the starting 2 guard offensively and defensively and #2 to help with the offense on the 2nd unit.

 

[Proteus]

Well, if the Suns aren't planning on any other trades, I hate to say it, then they need to look at bringing in another PG. Something's up with Dragic. Just not playing the way he showed last year. When Nash isn't in there, the offense seems to stall. If Vince Carter is staying with the Suns, he needs to come off the bench......for 2 reasons: #1 Dudley has been a beast at the starting 2 guard offensively and defensively and #2 to help with the offense on the 2nd unit.

I don't see Dudley consistently putting up that many points.

Anyways, you don't pay a guy $17 million dollars to come off the bench.

 

[Evil Ash]

I don't see Dudley consistently putting up that many points.

Anyways, you don't pay a guy $17 million dollars to come off the bench.

Considering he's gone at the trade deadline or the end of the season, I have no problem with him coming off the bench

 

[sunsfan88]

Well, if the Suns aren't planning on any other trades, I hate to say it, then they need to look at bringing in another PG. Something's up with Dragic. Just not playing the way he showed last year. When Nash isn't in there, the offense seems to stall. If Vince Carter is staying with the Suns, he needs to come off the bench......for 2 reasons: #1 Dudley has been a beast at the starting 2 guard offensively and defensively and #2 to help with the offense on the 2nd unit.

Yea I wouldn't mind a trade for Devin Harris or Darren Collision.

 

[Trifecta]

I've always been a fan of Dragic and always wanted him to do well here but maybe we should try moving him for an upgrade. Packaging him with Warrick should be able to bring back something. Please oh please can we move Warrick before the rest of the NBA realises what a terrible defender he is.

 

[jagu]

Well, if the Suns aren't planning on any other trades, I hate to say it, then they need to look at bringing in another PG. Something's up with Dragic. .

I agree, at least this would perhaps light a fire under the guy. He seriously needs some help. I also would be okay to moving Dragic now, he's been in the league long enough for him to make a mark and it hasn't come and his trade value is still pretty good..

 

[jagu]

I think the Nets would trade Harris if we give them Dragic, draft picks, and something else useful. Warrick? I'd love Harris and Nash splitting time. Harris is meant for this offense and he gets to the FT line as well.

 

[carey]

I think the Nets would trade Harris if we give them Dragic, draft picks, and something else useful. Warrick? I'd love Harris and Nash splitting time. Harris is meant for this offense and he gets to the FT line as well.

Wait, who's the starting PG for the Nets these days if it isn't Harris?

Edit: looks like Farmar is playing 25 min a game and Harris 35 which means they play a bit together and Harris must move to the SG now and then like Dragic does when he's on the floor with Nash. Harris is a PG though..

 

[JCSunsfan]

I think the Nets would trade Harris if we give them Dragic, draft picks, and something else useful. Warrick? I'd love Harris and Nash splitting time. Harris is meant for this offense and he gets to the FT line as well.

How is Harris as a defensive player?

Can't figure out Goran. He seemed to do so well last year and seems so much out of sorts this year. What has changed?

 

[slinslin]

Yes wait lets give up future picks and what not for a barely top10-15 PG.

Dragic is good enough for a backup PG. Getting another PG is the least of our worries right now. We need a PF and young talent in general, Harris doesn't fit any need.

 

[sunsfan88]

How is Harris as a defensive player?

Can't figure out Goran. He seemed to do so well last year and seems so much out of sorts this year. What has changed?

Frye and Dudley need to come off the bench again because our second unit is terrible without them, and the chemistry is just not there without those two guys. I mean if you want Dudley and Frye to stay in the starting unit, that leaves Dragic the only guy left from last years second unit, and that's forcing him to try and acclimate with a bunch of new guys which is never an easy task. That can explain why he's been performing pretty bad lately.

 

[jlove]

That's why I said the Suns need to do something. If they stand pat, they need to put VC on the 2nd unit and maybe Frye. Dudley needs to stay as a starter with the way he's playing. $17 mil off the bench is ok with me, especially since he's gone by trade Feb 18 or by buy out this summer. Maybe pick up Reynolds from the D-League as a 3rd PG.

The Suns need to package Warrick or Lopez with someone for a good PF. Keep Gortat. If we do a trade for a PF, then at least 1 of our bigs need to go, preferably Warrick, that way Frye can stay at the 4. If Lopez is dealt, then Frye goes to the 2nd unit as our back-up center.

 

[Mainstreet]

It's now becoming clearer the Suns really miss Amundson coming off the bench. Let's face it, the Suns bringing in Warrick, Childress and Turkoglu were blunders. The Suns have somewhat solved the Turkoglu mistake but at the cost of JRich. If the Suns are not going to bring in a quality PF, they could still improve the current Suns by bringing in a pass first PG that is consistent. Dragic is only good when he is running wild and free much like Barbosa. Neither are PGs.

 

[Irish]

It's now becoming clearer the Suns really miss Amundson coming off the bench. Let's face it, the Suns bringing in Warrick, Childress and Turkoglu were blunders. The Suns have somewhat solved the Turkoglu mistake but at the cost of JRich. If the Suns are not going to bring in a quality PF, they could still improve the current Suns by bringing in a pass first PG that is consistent. Dragic is only good when he is running wild and free much like Barbosa. Neither are PGs.

Huh? J Rich was gone at the end of the season no matter what. Why was losing him such a tragidy? Renting VC should make up for him.

Childress has not been healthy all year, but is a quality player. This is not my idea of a blunder.

Warrick has been just what we thought he was when signend - an athletic scorerr who can get to the basket on the Pick and Roll for an accptable price. I wish he could have been more, but he is career backup.

Hedo was a blunder but was a key piece in getting Gortat. It worked out.