OT: Brian Flores Suing NFL Alleging Racism

[Stout]

I don't agree that it is, it's just the (politically correct) thing to claim and it's been that way for a long time. There is no solution and there never will be. Some things just don't have remedies.

Redlining. Look it up.

 

[Stout]

No I'm not missing the point. It's a false equivalent. When an owner of property dies you don't do interviews to see who is qualified to get it. It's an inheritance. Nobody's business but the family's

There's another example. Many black families, especially impoverished ones, never HAD families with wealth to pass down. There are families that have lived in the same neighborhood for 5, 6 generations that have never had anyone in their family own a home, let alone inherit one. Inheritance itself is a systemic problem in this country. I'm not advocating to take from one family to give to another, nor am I advocating for reparations. The difference in skin color, as it relates to inheritance and wealth in this country, is obscene.

 

[Stout]

This can all be explained by wealth, or lack of.

Since the end of the Civil Rights era, black Americans are actually LESS likely to own a home and the gap in wealth between white Americans and black Americans has grown significantly.

Poor people commit more crime. It's just a fact of life and has been true about early Irish, early Italians, and other immigrants groups before they assimilated and no longer had a reason to commit crime. Obviously the difference between Irish and blacks is that Irish could hide the fact that they were Irish, which many did early on.

Well said.

 

[Stout]

Right let see. How many Head coaches are Asian, Hispanic or Indian. If blacks are 13% of the population, isn’t it racist that they make up 70% of the NFL and not 13%. Shouldn’t their be equal rights for all races and not favoritism for just the black players! Yes I’m being sarcastic but sometimes the people that have the jobs have put in the time and earned them. You can’t just give a job to someone because of their skin color. To me that is just as racist.

So black head coaching candidates haven't put in the time or earned them? Cool story.

 

[Stout]

Flores isn't coming out of this at all well and it's still early

Meh, he was always going to get double-barreled. It's part of the process.

 

[Stout]

Let's hire a surgeon that has experience as a butcher at Kroger

Ha, thanks for proving the opposite point. It's more like, "well, we could hire a black surgeon, but there's this white butcher that works at Kroger..."

 

[Ronin]

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[Shane]

There's another example. Many black families, especially impoverished ones, never HAD families with wealth to pass down. There are families that have lived in the same neighborhood for 5, 6 generations that have never had anyone in their family own a home, let alone inherit one. Inheritance itself is a systemic problem in this country. I'm not advocating to take from one family to give to another, nor am I advocating for reparations. The difference in skin color, as it relates to inheritance and wealth in this country, is obscene.

Now inheritance is a problem as well? Good grief the level of craziness around these days never ceases to amaze me. Lol

 

[tnmike]

Ha, thanks for proving the opposite point. It's more like, "well, we could hire a black surgeon, but there's this white butcher that works at Kroger..."

Could be white or black same difference

 

[tnmike]

There's another example. Many black families, especially impoverished ones, never HAD families with wealth to pass down. There are families that have lived in the same neighborhood for 5, 6 generations that have never had anyone in their family own a home, let alone inherit one. Inheritance itself is a systemic problem in this country. I'm not advocating to take from one family to give to another, nor am I advocating for reparations. The difference in skin color, as it relates to inheritance and wealth in this country, is obscene.

Equal opportunity doesn't guarantee equal results. There is much more opportunity today than in the 60s when I grew up. Much more.

 

[Dback Jon]

I think that's irrelevant. The point being made is that many of these guys didn't achieve the wealth on their own.

Someone like Shad Khan who is different than Michael Bidwill. Khan started out washing dishes when he immigrated here. Far different than Michael Bidwill, the son of probably the worst owner in pro sports after Donald Sterling.

There's another example. Many black families, especially impoverished ones, never HAD families with wealth to pass down. There are families that have lived in the same neighborhood for 5, 6 generations that have never had anyone in their family own a home, let alone inherit one. Inheritance itself is a systemic problem in this country. I'm not advocating to take from one family to give to another, nor am I advocating for reparations. The difference in skin color, as it relates to inheritance and wealth in this country, is obscene.

While Charles Bidwill was building wealth in Chicago in the 1920's (with the headstart of wealthy, political parents and mob ties), black wealth in America was being firebombed by air on Black Wall Street.

 

[Dback Jon]

Now inheritance is a problem as well? Good grief the level of craziness around these days never ceases to amaze me. Lol

That is not what he is saying. LACK of inheritance is a hinderance for many. Many of the "successful" people you see started on second or third base.

 

[tnmike]

While Charles Bidwill was building wealth in Chicago in the 1920's (with the headstart of wealthy, political parents and mob ties), black wealth in America was being firebombed by air on Black Wall Street.

I didn't firebomb anyone and I don't know anyone that did. Nobody is going to tell me that I'm somehow responsible for somebody else's actions 100 years ago. I'm not responsible for slavery or the holocaust or the civil war. Sorry. No one is going to convince me that I have to pay to clean it up either.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I didn't firebomb anyone and I don't know anyone that did. Nobody is going to tell me that I'm somehow responsible for somebody else's actions 100 years ago. I'm not responsible for slavery or the holocaust or the civil war. Sorry. No one is going to convince me that I have to pay to clean it up either.

We don't need to feel responsible, nor feel obligated to pay to clean it up...but we should be doing everything in our power, to lead the charge making sure it doesn't keep happening. JMO

 

[jf-08]

And curry could ball out on the basketball court. I always think of him and iverson as peas in a pod.

Yeah Iverson was something else. The bowling alley incident almost ended his rise to stardom. That was huge in the area at that time.

When Curry was in high school (Hampton Crabbers) he was a starting quarterback, safety, punter, and kick returner. In one season he scored almost 80 touchdowns and his team scored almost 800 points while holding the opponents to under 100 points. He led the team to three state titles.

He was even better probably in basketball where he led them to a State title as well. And in the McDonald's All American tournament he won the slam dunk contest against a bunch of future NBA elite dunkers.

 

[Dback Jon]

I didn't firebomb anyone and I don't know anyone that did. Nobody is going to tell me that I'm somehow responsible for somebody else's actions 100 years ago. I'm not responsible for slavery or the holocaust or the civil war. Sorry. No one is going to convince me that I have to pay to clean it up either.

You are totally missing the point. Who asked you to pay for it? WHO asked you to take responsibility? But to not acknowledge that blacks don't have the same starting point as whites in general is putting your head in the sand.

 

[Krangodnzr]

There's another example. Many black families, especially impoverished ones, never HAD families with wealth to pass down. There are families that have lived in the same neighborhood for 5, 6 generations that have never had anyone in their family own a home, let alone inherit one. Inheritance itself is a systemic problem in this country. I'm not advocating to take from one family to give to another, nor am I advocating for reparations. The difference in skin color, as it relates to inheritance and wealth in this country, is obscene.

The average white family has 8 times more wealth than a similar black family.

The difference in the 1960s was only 6 times more wealth.

 

[tnmike]

You are totally missing the point. Who asked you to pay for it? WHO asked you to take responsibility? But to not acknowledge that blacks don't have the same starting point as whites in general is putting your head in the sand.

No I'm not missing the point. Everything you hear about this inevitably returns back to money so dam right I'm getting asked to pay for it. If you think it's not about the money you are wrong. And no I don't believe in white guilt either. At some point every individual is responsible for their own outcome. You can't always get what you want and that applies to everybody no matter what race you are. I never hear about personal accountability and responsibility anymore because it always just easier to blame somebody else. Whining and crying pizzing and moaning all the time. It's not fair, somebody screwed me. It's everywhere, white and black. People are turning into a bunch of candy azzes

 

[RON_IN_OC]

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[Krangodnzr]

While Charles Bidwill was building wealth in Chicago in the 1920's (with the headstart of wealthy, political parents and mob ties), black wealth in America was being firebombed by air on Black Wall Street.

And from what I understand, Bidwill had some underworld links as well...

 

[RON_IN_OC]

And from what I understand, Bidwill had some underworld links as well...

I read that as kinks, not links, the 1st time...haha

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Now inheritance is a problem as well? Good grief the level of craziness around these days never ceases to amaze me. Lol

How much do you know about Black History in this country? Blacks were legally discriminated against and were permitted from ownership.

Furthermore, when blacks finally were able to able to own homes, we saw things like the Tulsa race massacre where whites went in (with the help of the all white city government) and burned down their homes and business, along with taking their land. And that's only the worst one. Entire towns have been taken in at least 50 occasions.

So, is inheritance a direct cause of what Brian Flores is fighting, no? However, it is absolutely linked to the systemic and institutional racism that African Americans have seen throughout this country's history, leading to a DIRECT lack of accumulation of wealth.

 

[kerouac9]

How much do you know about Black History in this country? Blacks were legally discriminated against and were permitted from ownership.

Furthermore, when blacks finally were able to able to own homes, we saw things like the Tulsa race massacre where whites went in (with the help of the all white city government) and burned down their homes and business, along with taking their land. And that's only the worst one. Entire towns have been taken in at least 50 occasions.

So, is inheritance a direct cause of what Brian Flores is fighting, no? However, it is absolutely linked to the systemic and institutional racism that African Americans have seen throughout this country's history, leading to a DIRECT lack of accumulation of wealth.

Not to mention that wealth inequality in this country is worse today than it was in Paris before the French Revolution. The amount of concentrated wealth at the top of the distribution is obscene — and it's only how invisible it is for the top 8-10% (outside of the top 2%) that really prevents change from happening.

 

[Dback Jon]

No I'm not missing the point. Everything you hear about this inevitably returns back to money so dam right I'm getting asked to pay for it. If you think it's not about the money you are wrong. And no I don't believe in white guilt either. At some point every individual is responsible for their own outcome. You can't always get what you want and that applies to everybody no matter what race you are. I never hear about personal accountability and responsibility anymore because it always just easier to blame somebody else. Whining and crying pizzing and moaning all the time. It's not fair, somebody screwed me. It's everywhere, white and black. People are turning into a bunch of candy azzes

Yes, you are missing the point. But no point in further discussion.

 

[Dback Jon]

And from what I understand, Bidwill had some underworld links as well...

Al Capone = Mob ties