OT: Brian Flores Suing NFL Alleging Racism

[TRW]

Then it’s not a league problem, it’s an owner problem, no?

Yep.

 

[slanidrac16]

Imagine you are Michael Bidwill and you have just fired Steve Wilks and have an opportunity to hire Byron Leftwich, Eric Bienemy(sp), Jim Caldwell, Todd Bowles, etc. and picked someone like…Kliff Kingsbury? And the Cards are one of the better diverse hiring organizations around. There are any number of black coaches who seem to have better resumes than the ones hired. I don’t know if the owners care or will care as long as the $$$$$ keep rolling in. It all rests in the hands of the owners until someone mentions lifting their exemption status or forcibly legislates their compliance with some arbitrary quota (which won’t happen).
When Flores’ suit is thrown out or settled it will be business as usual more than likely.

So what if they hired Kingsbury? Mayby Kingsbury turns out to be the next Bill Walsh. Didn’t Bowles flame out in New York? Being a good assistant doesn’t gaurantee anything.
The league would benefit if there were a couple of black owners.

 

[imaCafan]

I thought the reason KK was hired was because they were trying to get the next McVay??? Certainly wasn’t because he was a proven winner…

 

[Lefty]

I think Flores has a case, but not Hue Jackson. Jackson just sucked. He went 3-36-1. When Greg Williams took over in the middle of the season when Jackson was fired, he went 5-3.

 

[TRW]

So what if they hired Kingsbury? Mayby Kingsbury turns out to be the next Bill Walsh. Didn’t Bowles flame out in New York? Being a good assistant doesn’t gaurantee anything.
The league would benefit if there were a couple of black owners.

Yes it would. As for the other, just a close to home example of coaches of color being passed over for a losing college coach with no NFL coaching experience. It’s MBs right to do so for sure but IMO illustrates the situation.

 

[tnmike]

Funny how the front of the line is all white

I don't agree with that at all and it's from personal experience

 

[tnmike]

He was hired to lose and when he won he was fired. He was hired as the guy most likely to lose. That makes sense to you?

You don't know that's true. All you have are his allegations. When someone files a lawsuit it doesn't mean it's true

 

[Stout]

And if black people are told to get in the back of the line sucks for them? They didn’t get there due to bad luck.

And we wonder how racism persists today . . . no we don’t.

Exactly.

 

[Stout]

Funny how the front of the line is all white

Yep. Damn it, yinz are getting my social worker hackles up. I will not get too sucked in. Must...not...

 

[kerouac9]

We see the problem but how do you solve it?
How do you define a more talented and candidate? Every head coach ever hired has been deemed by somebody as the best and most talented candidate. That being said 99% of them are eventually fired.
Even blind interviews wouldn’t work because their resume’ would probably expose their color.

Ooh... Let's try it and find out!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

So it’s fair that a sport that has a a minority that represents 13% of society holds 70% of the jobs?
And yes your scenario would be absurd and deemed racist.
Let me be clear my views on this is more to point out there really is no “ fair” way to deal with this. But when the argument of ratios and quotas come up Its just as unfair to handpick the category.

Again the only people bringing up quotas and ratios are those that seem to want to defend the status quo institutional racism.

 

[Krangodnzr]

Mike Tomlin proves more black coaches should get a shot.

 

[tnmike]

I've lived in the south most of my life. For the most part here in Nashville there are mostly black sections and white sections of town. If a unknown black man goes up in the white section somebody MAY call the cops to check him out. If a white man goes up in the black section he probably will get robbed and shot. Happens every day and on the news every night. I live in a suburb of Nashville and the crime is creeping from the downtown Nashville area. A year ago a 12 year old kid robbed a woman in my apartment parking lot. Nashville population a little over 600,000. My hometown 15,000. I visited my home town yesterday and remembered how much better it was with practically no major crime. I could go to sleep at night and never lock the door. I never go out at night here. Road rage shootings here nearly every day, drugs, murder, carjackings. It's a truth of life. I know that has nothing to do with NFL coaches, I get that. My point is that there is racism on the black side too and if you don't see that then something is wrong.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No doubt. It’s a major slap in the face. But if Flores was white, would this be a story?

Lol. No. But that’s the point!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Then it’s not a league problem, it’s an owner problem, no?

When it’s essentially all of the owners, it’s becomes systematic and a league problem.

If a company has 100 managers but “only” 60 of them have racist hiring practices it is a company problem.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't agree with that at all and it's from personal experience

No one is saying that individuals can’t experience hardship regardless of race. But that’s not the same thing as the entire system being rigged against you because of race.

 

[tnmike]

No one is saying that individuals can’t experience hardship regardless of race. But that’s not the same thing as the entire system being rigged against you because of race.

I don't agree that it is, it's just the (politically correct) thing to claim and it's been that way for a long time. There is no solution and there never will be. Some things just don't have remedies.

 

[jf-08]

Ronald curry, now there’s a guy I thought would become something special but never did. Interesting that he’s gotten this far in coaching.

I was living near Hampton, VA when Curry and Vick were in High School. Curry was the most dominating high school football player that I have ever seen. Vick was good, but Curry was generational. Me and a buddy had a Public TV sports show covering the Hampton / Newport News High School Sports called ..."THIS IIIIS SPORTS!!!" and we interviewed each of them.. Vick had a chip on his shoulder while Curry was as cordial as he was athletic.

 

[Dback Jon]

Yes let's just turn everything over to the government when somebody dies. Just like the cowboy movies where they steal the boots off of the dead guy. This (woke) BS is rapidly getting out of hand.

LOL. So way off base. Who said anything about taxes or the government? I was merely pointing out that the majority of the NFL owners did ZERO to merit their ownership, other than winning the birth/marriage lottery.

If the NFL wasn't a socialistic organization, poorly run franchises like the Cardinals would have closed shop decades ago.

 

[tnmike]

LOL. So way off base. Who said anything about taxes or the government? I was merely pointing out that the majority of the NFL owners did ZERO to merit their ownership, other than winning the birth/marriage lottery.

If the NFL wasn't a socialistic organization, poorly run franchises like the Cardinals would have closed shop decades ago.

Who decides if they earned it or not? People have been jealous of other people's possessions since the start of time. Like Cain and Able

 

[Dback Jon]

Who decides if they earned it or not? People have been jealous of other people's possessions since the start of time. Like Cain and Able

When you inherit it from Daddy, what did you do to earn it?

What makes Michael Bidwill so special that he deserves to own a multi-billion dollar company? Or Mark Davis?

Could a black person bought the Cardinals in 1932 when Charles Bidwill did? NOPE. Limited opportunities

 

[TheCardFan]

Funnier if you click on the image:

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[tnmike]

When you inherit it from Daddy, what did you do to earn it?

What makes Michael Bidwill so special that he deserves to own a multi-billion dollar company? Or Mark Davis?

Could a black person bought the Cardinals in 1932 when Charles Bidwill did? NOPE. Limited opportunities

So if they didn't earn it who gets it?

 

[Dback Jon]

So if they didn't earn it who gets it?

You are completely missing the point. All throughout this thread people have been crying about "Best person for the job", "Why wouldn't the owner want to hire someone that earned the position, etc"

Just pointing out the double-standard of defending owners who didn't do anything to earn the position/ownership when blacks were excluded from the opportunities that most of that wealth came from and then demanding that the NFL shouldn't do anything to correct past racial inequalities.

 

[Shane]

You are completely missing the point. All throughout this thread people have been crying about "Best person for the job", "Why wouldn't the owner want to hire someone that earned the position, etc"

Just pointing out the double-standard of defending owners who didn't do anything to earn the position/ownership when blacks were excluded from the opportunities that most of that wealth came from and then demanding that the NFL shouldn't do anything to correct past racial inequalities.

Gotta say that’s not really a double standard. It’s a complete apples to oranges argument That has zero merit in comparison.