OT QB Dwayne Haskins will enter draft

[Southpaw]

I think Nkemdiche and Bosa will become best friends spending their time on the injury report together.

Just had an image of them sharing an ice whirlpool.

 

[Southpaw]

I don't think I'm being ridiculous. Their dad blew out both knees and it cut his career short to only playing 3 seasons in the league.

Joey played less than half of 2018 because of a foot injury. Now Nick has a "core muscle" issue that caused him to miss the majority of this year.

Last thing we need to do is to draft a player who has issues staying on the field with the 1st pick.

PS - he's not a top 5 defensive player in the league

Genes or .........

 

[DVontel]

I prefer josh allen, no injury concerns, super productive, phisycal gifted, team capitain(its matter for keim)

Meh.

 

[PACardsFan]

These discussions we're having is exactly why we need to hire a HC that can validate whether Rosen IS the guy. I guarantee that a guy like Kingsbury could spend valuable time with Rosen & put to bed any questions as to whether he can be a star in the NFL. I watched a ton of Haskins this year, and he's definitely gifted at throwing a football. But, if he played behind the line that Rosen did, he wouldn't have fared much better. He's a traditional drop back passer, with very little wiggle or escapability. When pressured, which wasn't often, he could miss, and miss ugly. Let our HC make that decision. I'm NOT a trade down kind of guy. Determine who the best player is, and take him. It'll make my stomach turn if we trade down & we miss out on a stud. That's just me. We sucked a$$ & deserve the best player on the board. Determine who it is & RUN to the podium.

 

[TheCardFan]

These discussions we're having is exactly why we need to hire a HC that can validate whether Rosen IS the guy. I guarantee that a guy like Kingsbury could spend valuable time with Rosen & put to bed any questions as to whether he can be a star in the NFL. I watched a ton of Haskins this year, and he's definitely gifted at throwing a football. But, if he played behind the line that Rosen did, he wouldn't have fared much better. He's a traditional drop back passer, with very little wiggle or escapability. When pressured, which wasn't often, he could miss, and miss ugly. Let our HC make that decision. I'm NOT a trade down kind of guy. Determine who the best player is, and take him. It'll make my stomach turn if we trade down & we miss out on a stud. That's just me. We sucked a$$ & deserve the best player on the board. Determine who it is & RUN to the podium.

I am not really worried about QB with KK. He will develop Rosen or easily find a replacement. I would expect him to have 2 Air Raid back-ups this year to develop regardless. Insurance and trade bait for later.

The only thing that concerns me about Rosen is his accuracy. It was really bad this year...seemed to get worse. The first game he was throwing darts...passes that only the great ones could throw but then missed high several times. He was under siege but still a concern.

 

[Mainstreet]

The easy solution is to draft Bosa or another top rated player and move on.

The only reason I mentioned the unpopular topic of the Cardinals drafting a quarterback early is to protect themselves.

If Rosen shouldn't work out for some reason the team and fans may be kicking themselves for years to come if, e.g, Haskins, develops into a franchise quarterback.

However, if Cardinals are sure about Rosen, then the subject is mute.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The easy solution is to draft Bosa or another top rated player and move on.

The only reason I mentioned the unpopular topic of the Cardinals drafting a quarterback early is to protect themselves.

If Rosen shouldn't work out for some reason the team and fans may be kicking themselves for years to come if, e.g, Haskins, develops into a franchise quarterback.

However, if Cardinals are sure about Rosen, then the subject is mute.

Well said.

When it comes to Rosen vs. Haskins, Haskins is the better prospect and QB is the premium position. Rosen really didn't show much where you pass on a better guy that can be elite.

Not taking Haskins because you took Rosen in round 1 last year is flawed logic. By that thinking, Dabo Swinney never should have gone with Trevor Lawrence because Bryant was winning and had them in the playoffs the previous year. But, he did make the switch and look what happened.

 

[crisper57]

Denver, Jacksonville, Miami, Giants.

Outside chance New England

Nobody considers Flacco a long term solution.

Yep. Flacco is a bridge QB now. It would not surprise me to see a team pick him up but then still grab a QB in the draft (not a first rounder, but someone to develop).

 

[PACardsFan]

Well said.

When it comes to Rosen vs. Haskins, Haskins is the better prospect and QB is the premium position. Rosen really didn't show much where you pass on a better guy that can be elite.

Not taking Haskins because you took Rosen in round 1 last year is flawed logic. By that thinking, Dabo Swinney never should have gone with Trevor Lawrence because Bryant was winning and had them in the playoffs the previous year. But, he did make the switch and look what happened.

CBUS, do we really know what we have in Rosen?????? I don't think any of us are quite sure. Let someone like KK come in and make that determination. There's plenty of time before the draft for that decision to be made. If KK doesn't think that Rosen is the guy, then go ahead & draft Haskins. I loved watching Haskins this year, but he pretty much could sit in the pocket & finish off a meatball sub at times before throwing. Maybe Rosen would put up similar numbers in the OSU system behind 4 & 5 star Olinemen. I really don't want to lose out on a defensive game changer to take a QB if we already have one on the roster. I was 100% convinced that Peyton Manning & Andrew Luck were legit NFL studs. Although I like Haskins, I'm not 100% convinced. I would need to be in order to draft that position 2 years in a row. Especially since we have needs galore.

 

[oaken1]

CBUS, do we really know what we have in Rosen?????? I don't think any of us are quite sure. Let someone like KK come in and make that determination. There's plenty of time before the draft for that decision to be made. If KK doesn't think that Rosen is the guy, then go ahead & draft Haskins. I loved watching Haskins this year, but he pretty much could sit in the pocket & finish off a meatball sub at times before throwing. Maybe Rosen would put up similar numbers in the OSU system behind 4 & 5 star Olinemen. I really don't want to lose out on a defensive game changer to take a QB if we already have one on the roster. I was 100% convinced that Peyton Manning & Andrew Luck were legit NFL studs. Although I like Haskins, I'm not 100% convinced. I would need to be in order to draft that position 2 years in a row. Especially since we have needs galore.

haskins is not better than Rosen...he just came from a more talented team. dude has mad tools though....to an OSU homer he may look all world

 

[Totally_Red]

If Haskins is the second coming of Russell Wilson you take him. If not, you pass.

 

[az jam]

I'd stick with Rosen and build a team around him. He will be fine with the right coaching, some good WRs and a decent OL.

 

[WildBB]

I could see Frisco making him the pick if no one trades up.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Our draft strategy should be improving the Arizona Cardinals & not worrying about denying another team a certain player. Anything else is foolish imo.

The old "kill two birds with one stone" concept is a strategy that both improves the Cards and denies an advantage to a rival.

 

[oaken1]

I could see Frisco making him the pick if no one trades up.

that would blow some minds. Frisco way doesnt need a QB what with Mullens stepping up when JimmyG went down.

 

[GuernseyCard]

The easy solution is to draft Bosa or another top rated player and move on.

The only reason I mentioned the unpopular topic of the Cardinals drafting a quarterback early is to protect themselves.

If Rosen shouldn't work out for some reason the team and fans may be kicking themselves for years to come if, e.g, Haskins, develops into a franchise quarterback.

However, if Cardinals are sure about Rosen, then the subject is mute.

MOOT.

 

[The Kraken]

I think the candidates to trade up for Haskins are the Jags and the Broncos...The questions are: do they view Haskins a sure thing and how high are they willing to jump up to prevent a competitor from sliding in ala the Chiefs with Mahomes (crossthread)...

 

[oaken1]

I think the candidates to trade up for Haskins are the Jags and the Broncos...The questions are: do they view Haskins a sure thing and how high are they willing to jump up to prevent a competitor from sliding in ala the Chiefs with Mahomes (crossthread)...

no doubt some team will try and get slick and trade in behind us,..knowing we dont need a QB.....its that other team we need to focus on

 

[Minski]

I think the candidates to trade up for Haskins are the Jags and the Broncos...The questions are: do they view Haskins a sure thing and how high are they willing to jump up to prevent a competitor from sliding in ala the Chiefs with Mahomes (crossthread)...

what would it take for them to trade up?

 

[conraddobler]

Mahomes is very smart and well coached by two great coaches, he's both talented and he's a great learner. That on your resume means if you speak others listen.

So if KK is the guy then my worries about our QB situation go down drastically.

In other words whatever he thinks is best would be fine by me.

 

[GuernseyCard]

Mahomes is very smart and well coached by two great coaches, he's both talented and he's a great learner. That on your resume means if you speak others listen.

So if KK is the guy then my worries about our QB situation go down drastically.

In other words whatever he thinks is best would be fine by me.

So hire him as the O-C so he can dedicate his time fully to Rosen.

 

[Minski]

Mahomes is very smart and well coached by two great coaches, he's both talented and he's a great learner. That on your resume means if you speak others listen.

So if KK is the guy then my worries about our QB situation go down drastically.

In other words whatever he thinks is best would be fine by me.

How nice would it be if both KK and Rosen are the real deal? Not having to worry about HC or QB for 20 odd years

 

[conraddobler]

no doubt some team will try and get slick and trade in behind us,..knowing we dont need a QB.....its that other team we need to focus on

no doubt some team will try and get slick and trade in behind us,..knowing we dont need a QB.....its that other team we need to focus on

This is where we might see some odd stuff out of SK and our HC.

You have to keep others guessing on what you're actually going to do in order to get the best value. You have to plant doubt in others minds that what you mentioned may not work and may blow up on you.

If a bidding war develops then we've hit the lottery.

So we'd have to make others think we could take him if for no other reason than best player available.

This means it'd both serve to plant that doubt and start the bidding war knowing we'd trade out but for the right price, that right price going up and up and up based on other options.

Teams will do all they can to avoid this but if it breaks out, which it can sometimes, it's Christmas in April.

So it wouldn't surprise me if they tried to find a way to hint this may be possible, no better way than by officially denying it.

Not to give anything away but the best way I'd see of doing this would be to have someone ask you the question and go over the top denying it.

Reverse, reverse psychology.

 

[oaken1]

This is where we might see some odd stuff out of SK and our HC.

You have to keep others guessing on what you're actually going to do in order to get the best value. You have to plant doubt in others minds that what you mentioned may not work and may blow up on you.

If a bidding war develops then we've hit the lottery.

So we'd have to make others think we could take him if for no other reason than best player available.

This means it'd both serve to plant that doubt and start the bidding war knowing we'd trade out but for the right price, that right price going up and up and up based on other options.

Teams will do all they can to avoid this but if it breaks out, which it can sometimes, it's Christmas in April.

I agree... but sometimes its simple...if NYG trade up for #2 that tells everyone they are going QB...but maybe they didnt like our price.
That lets any other team know that if they want Haskins they have to pay our price or he goes to NY.

I actually expect denver to be a player for QB...expected it last year but elway wasnt willing to deal...but dude was way not happy with his QB play this year. he got the best pass rusher last year to pair up with miller...he is only a QB away from the playoffs now.

 

[BW52]

Looking at his family and their history with injuries and he already he having issues staying healthy, it's a red flag to me.

so using your logic that should take Ed DBag Oliver out of consideration since he missed 5 games this season and parts of 5 games in 2017 due to knee injury issues.