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EJ Manuel requires surgery. Out for preseason. Kolb to start in his place.
OT: So it begins.. Training camp injuries league wide..
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$5 says Kolb went Tonya Harding on Manuel.
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that's okay. it's only a matter of time before Kolb's body goes Tonya Harding on itself.
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The Dustin Keller (TE - MIA) injury is pretty brutal. Torn ACL, MCL, PCL, and dislocated kneecap.
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If I were running things I'd throw the book at anyone that went low like that and THEN tried to blame it on the NFL rules for protecting players.
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Yeah, it almost feels like he was picking his spot to make a statement about the head contact rules. Like blowing up someone's knee was a way to protest. Not cool at all.
I thought he was out for season. Preseason only is a godsend for buffalo as Kolb will not work. His last preseason showing exclaimed that even more.
Or just saying hey you want me not to go high so I went low, didnt want to hurt the guy but I was following the rules.
Goes both ways. Hes a rookie. Hes being warned to not hit heads and he went low. Sucks a guy got hurt in the process.
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Going low like that has always been a cheap shot designed to take out a man's legs. The league didn't say chop them off at the ankles, they said stop head hunting. There's plenty of body in between those two extremes and it's a piss poor excuse to say I (possibly) destroyed a man's career because I didn't want to get fined for hitting him in the head.
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Agree.
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But perfectly legal. IMO the shot that ended Warner's career was a cheap shot, even though its legal by the rules.
The NFL IMO is in a no win situation because its a violent game of football & it's teams are being sued by the players for injuries. IMO it's the players faults the game is being changed in terms of the rules in how to tackle because of these lawsuits.
The Sapp hit years ago was legal on the GB LT & so was the crack back blocks supplied by Hines Ward on Keith Rivers...and yet the players want to sue the owners for body trauma.
Legally I don't understand where the players have a leg to stand on, given its part of the game & unless its turns into an all out flag football league, these issues will continue.
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The rules imo are getting to the point of absurdity. I understand protecting players, but there are unintended consequences of the rules being put in place.
Sometimes the whole thing seems to be just a ploy to not get sued (NFL vs retired players). Make something, anything up to show you are doing something to help players, and then forget to check whether or not it actually does protect players.
It's not just about Keller incident, there's a bigger story unfolding here imo.
You have the no spear rule where the rules seem like the mythical Star Trek card game Kirk makes up on the fly, Fizzbin. (more explanation here http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Fizzbin )
I can see the no crown rule ending up hurting many offensive and defensive players instead of protecting defensive players. If a running back cannot protect himself, or has to hesitate and change his move after initiating what might be a spear, he opens himself up to some major injuries and these effects are just because of the rule. It's far too much thinking in a game of constant reaction. Knowing the place where you are on the field for this while also trying to know where the first down marker is, or out of bounds puts what seems to be close to a dozen things inside the players head and none of them are the play call or the defenders on the other side.
Part of the rationale behind the no crown rule was to level the playing field because of the implementation of previous rules against the defender leaving the offensive guy in a better position. Which really shows the farce of the rationale behind the rule and the absurdity at large. The rule really is a reaction to the unintended consequences of the previous rules.
But it goes far beyond this. A runner who doesn't lead with the head will also need to go to the ground, and defenders will be wiped out like Keller, and if not wiped out the defender might kick the runner in the head. Thus sort of negating the whole protect the head mantra the NFL has been promoting.
So Keller gets hurt with a defender going low, and some defender will get hurt because of some rb going low too.
But I also disagree with the notion that there's plenty to tackle besides the head as I've seen many cases where players are hitting sternums or shoulder pads, basically form tackling to the midsection getting called personal fouls. This doesn't even get to occasions when at the last millisecond someone drops their head to where the midsection just was at. These aren't personal fouls, but they are called as such.
I don't blame defenders and don't think they are trying to make a point by injuring someone. I really think at this point many NFL players have seen enough legit hits be wrongfully called hits to the head and enough hits where guys move their head at the last second where the defender has already extended as he tackles and can't do anything to avoid hitting wherever he's aimed at to come to the conclusion that anything above the thigh pads brings trouble.
Many of these fines we see doled out would be 10-20 percent of what some rookies make. 50k might not be much to a guy making 10 million a year, but a guy making 400k it's still a lot.
All in all these are rules that just create chaos and the unintended consequences is that injuries still occur and I really don't see the benefit of these rules. I'm not saying I have the answer, what I am saying is these rules clearly aren't one.
I'm all for protecting players, but this is a violent sport and if the cures are as bad or worse then the disease, and players are getting fined on top of it all, they should probably rethink it. It really seems pointless. The NFL has never produced evidence that these rules are better and protect the player any better, it's just a lot of hope and praying with assumed common sense that really isn't true backing it all. The NFL can claim it's doing something about head issues, but are they really?
Cue Goodell in his best Obi wan voice saying, "These aren't the head injuries you're looking for"
Sometimes the whole thing seems to be just a ploy to not get sued (NFL vs retired players). Make something, anything up to show you are doing something to help players, and then forget to check whether or not it actually does protect players.
It's not just about Keller incident, there's a bigger story unfolding here imo.
You have the no spear rule where the rules seem like the mythical Star Trek card game Kirk makes up on the fly, Fizzbin. (more explanation here http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Fizzbin )
I can see the no crown rule ending up hurting many offensive and defensive players instead of protecting defensive players. If a running back cannot protect himself, or has to hesitate and change his move after initiating what might be a spear, he opens himself up to some major injuries and these effects are just because of the rule. It's far too much thinking in a game of constant reaction. Knowing the place where you are on the field for this while also trying to know where the first down marker is, or out of bounds puts what seems to be close to a dozen things inside the players head and none of them are the play call or the defenders on the other side.
Part of the rationale behind the no crown rule was to level the playing field because of the implementation of previous rules against the defender leaving the offensive guy in a better position. Which really shows the farce of the rationale behind the rule and the absurdity at large. The rule really is a reaction to the unintended consequences of the previous rules.
But it goes far beyond this. A runner who doesn't lead with the head will also need to go to the ground, and defenders will be wiped out like Keller, and if not wiped out the defender might kick the runner in the head. Thus sort of negating the whole protect the head mantra the NFL has been promoting.
So Keller gets hurt with a defender going low, and some defender will get hurt because of some rb going low too.
But I also disagree with the notion that there's plenty to tackle besides the head as I've seen many cases where players are hitting sternums or shoulder pads, basically form tackling to the midsection getting called personal fouls. This doesn't even get to occasions when at the last millisecond someone drops their head to where the midsection just was at. These aren't personal fouls, but they are called as such.
I don't blame defenders and don't think they are trying to make a point by injuring someone. I really think at this point many NFL players have seen enough legit hits be wrongfully called hits to the head and enough hits where guys move their head at the last second where the defender has already extended as he tackles and can't do anything to avoid hitting wherever he's aimed at to come to the conclusion that anything above the thigh pads brings trouble.
Many of these fines we see doled out would be 10-20 percent of what some rookies make. 50k might not be much to a guy making 10 million a year, but a guy making 400k it's still a lot.
All in all these are rules that just create chaos and the unintended consequences is that injuries still occur and I really don't see the benefit of these rules. I'm not saying I have the answer, what I am saying is these rules clearly aren't one.
I'm all for protecting players, but this is a violent sport and if the cures are as bad or worse then the disease, and players are getting fined on top of it all, they should probably rethink it. It really seems pointless. The NFL has never produced evidence that these rules are better and protect the player any better, it's just a lot of hope and praying with assumed common sense that really isn't true backing it all. The NFL can claim it's doing something about head issues, but are they really?
Cue Goodell in his best Obi wan voice saying, "These aren't the head injuries you're looking for"
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From my understanding the crown rule only pertains to players outside the tackle box, meaning a RB &/or tackler can protect themselves & lower their heads inside the box...I think I heard that.
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You're right. You can use the crown of the helmet within the tackle box, but cannot, however, crown an opponent with your helmet as Smith did against Miami.
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There's also other rules like you CAN do it within the 20, but not within the 20's....or something like that.
Meaning left right forward or backward, you have to look for certain meaningless lines when you should be looking for the sideline or first down marker...or the defender. Not to mention the play, the clock, your blockers, the defensive scheme, etc.
Especially awkward when the ball is hiked right around the various boundaries....say like it is hiked at the 17 on an outside run, well, if you're within the 20 yard line you're fine, but if you cross to the 21...it's literally fizzbin rules.
Or what about if it's hiked at the 21 but the running back is getting the ball at the 18, or whatever.
Guys need to play and while some head stuff like, know the clock and get to the sideline stuff is fine, when you add in all this before the 20 but not after...within the tackle box...but not outside it....then things get really muddied.
So if you're running down the field and are coming to contact you need to look around to see if you're within the 20 yard line, if not, run inside to get to the tackle box. It's just a really insane rule. Like Jim Jones insane.
Again I can see guys just not knowing what really to do and literally falling down like a sideways bowling ball....taking out defenders knees and such.
I agree with your point, but I can understand why guys go low. It ensures the tackle instead of being run over trying to make a normal form tackle (they don't want to get lit up and pancaked). Guys' nowdays don't study fundamental form tackling like they used to. They don't even work on positioning like they used to because these guys are so athletic they all think they can recover. When they can't recover, when they aren't in position to form tackle, that's when you see these low tackles. Look at a dude like Minter--not particularly fast, not particularly big--but everyone's calling him a thumper because he makes every tackle with force. That's all fundamental positioning and fundamental tackling.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/24/kevin-kolb-being-evaluated-for-a-head-injury/
Kolb. Head injury. Again.
Kolb. Head injury. Again.
He has concussion like symptoms. I think it may be time for him to call it a career.
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Sadly, I agree. Hope he agrees to donate his brain to science. He is Exhibit A for recurring injuries.
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Yep... He is young and filthy rich and should think about the rest of his life and thank the best agent ever for setting him up to do whatever he pleases after the NFL.
The #1 all time Free Agent fiasco for the Cardinals. Kolb probably has Graves on his payroll like a college football booster does and pays Rod to not work.
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if he will ritire the cardinals still have to pay him his guaranteed salary?
Just came to post that to. Soup for brains if he doesn't retire.
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