OT: What if the Redskins change their name?

[BigRedRage]

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[BigRedRage]

What he thinks

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[BigRedRage]

what i find offensive about the redskins

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[ajcardfan]

So is the stance for eshool Reilly, "it is not offensive to some, so I will keep using it?"

Seems that is the stance those who don't see a problem with the name are taking.

The real problem for those who are offended is that Native Americans are still very marginalized and have almost no economic or political clout.

I would hope that even people as aggravated by PC as BIM is, would realize that for no other major ethnic group in this country.... whether it is Asian, African, etc, etc, would a term that was taken as derogatory by a very large portion of that group would allow that term to be tolerated for something so visible as an NFL franchise. It just wouldn't happen, and it would've been changed long ago.


Besides, the numerous colleges and universities that have changed their team moniker managed to survive and not lose fans over it.

 

[Russ Smith]

So is the stance for eshool Reilly, "it is not offensive to some, so I will keep using it?"

Seems that is the stance those who don't see a problem with the name are taking.

No he's actually claiming his father in law says it's not offensive, even after his father in law said you misunderstood me.

The father in law politely said don't use me as your example, and Reilly is still saying it.

 

[8ndkorner]

I disagree....

They would change their name if the league forced them to, which is unlikely.

Name Identification is a substantial component of the value of a business.
The Redskins probably have more name familiarity than, "Obama."
The Redskins have been, or are the #1 rated team on the cash valuation list of NFL teams.

People have been complaining for a long time about various Indian named team. It seems to always blow-over after a while and I do not recall of any team that has changed their name due to complaining.

If these people wanted to do something real, then they should give the country back to the Indians and shut-up about team names.

The organization WILL change the name. This will not go away till that happens.

 

[Southpaw]

Reilly has a deep and long history of arrogance.

Don't know how the name "cracker" became synonymous with slave owners. It somehow crept into the urban dictionary without basis. Cracker in Georgia and Florida was the nickname given to poor farmers who used their whips to drive their oxen pulled wagons. When Georgia dirt farmers were moving to Florida in the 1800s , the sound of their ox whips could be heard far away.; Thus, "here comes the crackers".

 

[BigRedRage]

Reilly has a deep and long history of arrogance.

Don't know how the name "cracker" became synonymous with slave owners. It somehow crept into the urban dictionary without basis. Cracker in Georgia and Florida was the nickname given to poor farmers who used their whips to drive their oxen pulled wagons. When Georgia dirt farmers were moving to Florida in the 1800s , the sound of their ox whips could be heard far away.; Thus, "here comes the crackers".

Many words have several origins really, back then when we all couldnt communicate from around the world within seconds it made sense.

IE: go pound sand. Ive heard several definitions for that phrase.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I really don't care if Dback Jon or Mulli find it offensive nor do I care if Brian in Mesa finds it acceptable. If a significant portion of Native Americans are offended by it then it should be changed. The thing is, I've never heard it used as a slur and except as part of this kind of discussion I've never known it to be derogatory. I'm of the opinion that the primary reason this is now considered so offensive is because of people trying to rally around this cause but be that as it may, if this marginalizes a group then it's time to select a new name.

I've said this before but if Snyder was smart, he'd send a letter to every known tribe asking for their position on this issue. I'm not sure what percentage would warrant action but establish that number beforehand and follow through if the numbers indicate it should be changed. It doesn't have to happen overnight so there's no reason to take a financial hit in the process but this controversy isn't going to die of it's own accord. He needs to get in front of this before it becomes an even larger issue.

Steve

 

[ajcardfan]

It doesn't have to happen overnight so there's no reason to take a financial hit in the process but this controversy isn't going to die of it's own accord. He needs to get in front of this before it becomes an even larger issue.

Steve

I think he would actually make a killing from the name change. First, would be a rush to buy all the stuff with the old name. Then, people would start buying stuff with the new name on it, and it will wind up with people spending more than they would have otherwise.

It's not like life long Washington fans are just going to drop them.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I didn't read the whole thread so I don't know if this was brought up.... I've never quite understood how The Fighting Irish gets no flack yet The Fighting Sioux of North Dakota was threatened with NCAA sanctions and banished. Huh? Can someone explain that to me?

fwiw, I played on a high school football team whose student body was 95% Native American. The students voted for the name. We are the Warriors, the mighty mighty Warriors.

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[AzStevenCal]

I think he would actually make a killing from the name change. First, would be a rush to buy all the stuff with the old name. Then, people would start buying stuff with the new name on it, and it will wind up with people spending more than they would have otherwise.

It's not like life long Washington fans are just going to drop them.

Trust me re-branding for a major corporation is always expensive. It can be managed but it must be Managed. For this situation, do it right and the goodwill alone can make it profitable (in the long run) but do it wrong and it can be a real cash drain.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

I didn't read the whole thread so I don't know if this was brought up.... I've never quite understood how The Fighting Irish gets no flack yet The Fighting Sioux of North Dakota was threatened with NCAA sanctions and banished. Huh? Can someone explain that to me?

fwiw, I played on a high school football team whose student body was 95% Native American. The students voted for the name. We are the Warriors, the mighty mighty Warriors.

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Yes. If you'd read through this thread you'd have realized we have a lot of people that can explain just about anything. I'm thinking of asking them about the meaning of life when they get done with your question. And if it turns out that they don't know enough, ask me.

Steve

 

[NJCardFan]

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This guy embraces it

Am I the only one who finds this a tad ironic?

 

[40yearfan]

If 90% of the world thought it was appropriate to use the N Word for an NFL team would that make it ok?

it's an insult, the word was adopted by white men to be an insult, theres tons of evidence and research on the subject. The dispute is because it appears the early origins were actually Native Americans using it to differentiate different tribes but like many words, it got "taken" over the years and became an insult.

Would it be OK? Yes because then it wouldn't be considered insulting if 90% of the people didn't have a problem with it just like it wasn't insulting 75 years ago. When Mark Twain used the word in his Tom Sawyer novel, nobody had a problem with it.

The PC police are going overboard with this one. I don't blame the fans or the owner for wanting to keep a piece of history intact and not bow to pressure from a small group of mostly white guys with a guilty racial conscience. White guilt is as bad as being a racist.

 

[40yearfan]

Many people migrated to this country because they were fleeing places where the majority refused to protect the minority with equal rights. While our system is far from perfect, we can point to many things where we did support the minority over the majority because it was the right thing to do. It's a shame if we forget that part of our history.



Of course, this isn't a legal issue, it's a matter of perception and social discourse. Personally, I think it's only a matter of time before the name is changed. All opinion shifts on the issue are going to be in the direction of those who think the name is a racial slur. I think it will take a long time, and maybe Snyder won't be owner anymore when it happens.

What if most of the people who were offended by the name weren't even Indians? Is it still offensive to a minority?

I just see this as a bunch of PC police with nothing to do finding something to complain about.

 

[Russ Smith]

Would it be OK? Yes because then it wouldn't be considered insulting if 90% of the people didn't have a problem with it just like it wasn't insulting 75 years ago. When Mark Twain used the word in his Tom Sawyer novel, nobody had a problem with it.

The PC police are going overboard with this one. I don't blame the fans or the owner for wanting to keep a piece of history intact and not bow to pressure from a small group of mostly white guys with a guilty racial conscience. White guilt is as bad as being a racist.

LOTS of people had a problem with it, but the world was different then the people who had a problem had much less power.

What if the 10% are mainly the very people targeted by the N word? IT's still ok because we have a huge majority?

 

[MrYeahBut]

Yes. If you'd read through this thread you'd have realized we have a lot of people that can explain just about anything. I'm thinking of asking them about the meaning of life when they get done with your question. And if it turns out that they don't know enough, ask me.

Steve

Please, oh wizened one, tell me life is about sex, drugs and rock n roll or my youth will have been wasted.

Please tell me life is about workin' for the man like a dog or the summer of my years will have been wasted.

Please tell me life is about hopelessly rooting for a 5-11 football team or my golden years will have been wasted.


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[AzStevenCal]

Please, oh wizened one, tell me life is about sex, drugs and rock n roll or my youth will have been wasted.

Please tell me life is about workin' for the man like a dog or the summer of my years will have been wasted.

Please tell me life is about hopelessly rooting for a 5-11 football team or my golden years will have been wasted.


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Root beer and tacos - the meaning of life. Substitute real beer for root beer if you're a consumer of alcoholic beverages. As for whether or not your life has been wasted, if you can look back at your past and smile - it was not wasted.

Steve's Iron Clad Money Back Guarantee: We will NOT go 5 - 11 this year.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Would it be OK? Yes because then it wouldn't be considered insulting if 90% of the people didn't have a problem with it just like it wasn't insulting 75 years ago. When Mark Twain used the word in his Tom Sawyer novel, nobody had a problem with it.

Whoa.

 

[ajcardfan]

What if most of the people who were offended by the name weren't even Indians? Is it still offensive to a minority?

I just see this as a bunch of PC police with nothing to do finding something to complain about.

You are completely talking out of your rear that this is a white person problem and Native Americans are not offended by it. White people would never even have THOUGHT about the meaning of the word to Native Americans if some Native Americans had never spoken up about it.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

You are completely talking out of your rear that this is a white person problem and Native Americans are not offended by it. White people would never even have THOUGHT about the meaning of the word to Native Americans if some Native Americans had never spoken up about it.

Most of the Native Americans I know consider themselves to be Indians. Just saying.

In their opinion, Native American is just another name the white man made up for them and they've been Indians so long they don't feel they need to be identified by yet another term.

 

[ajcardfan]

Most of the Native Americans I know consider themselves to be Indians. Just saying.

In their opinion, Native American is just another name the white man made up for them and they've been Indians so long they don't feel they need to be identified by yet another term.

Well, we run in different circles I guess.

 

[BigRedRage]

Most of the Native Americans I know consider themselves to be Indians. Just saying.

In their opinion, Native American is just another name the white man made up for them and they've been Indians so long they don't feel they need to be identified by yet another term.

Well, we run in different circles I guess.

The indians Ive known prefer indian as well

 

[earthsci]

Would it be OK? Yes because then it wouldn't be considered insulting if 90% of the people didn't have a problem with it just like it wasn't insulting 75 years ago.

I'm not calling you anything 40 but that is pretty close to the most idiotic thing that I have read on this board.