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I just don't know how one can expect an incomplete coach to complete a QB. Kliff is not useless, but his sphere of tutelage is limited up to certain point. I think he made some beneficial contribution to what Mahomes is now during his tenure at Texas Tech, but it required someone like Andy Reed to make him a viable superstar in this league
Transcendental talents are supposed to TRANSCEND obstacles to at least be mediocre. And they be able to do that after the completely idiotic things they willing said in the press about not needing to kill himself watching gil
like other QBs because he has super x-ray vision to see the field unlike anyone else.
 

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He doesn't have the work ethic of a long term successful NFL QB. He doesn't know how to self-diagnose and improve his game during the offseason.
So when you are in his workout and film sessions with him, where do you think he's not spending enough time? Oh, you say you aren't in there with him so you have no idea what his work ethic is? Gotcha.

Just because someone has regressed doesn't mean they aren't working.
 

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But WHY Shane? Why is he playing worse this year than in 2020 and 2021? What's causing the change man?
Becuase Kyler is not a quarter billion dollar QB who can level up other players. On opposite, he needs many good to great players around him to succeed. Apparently our players, to various reason are not playing at a good to great level this season compared to the past (injury, suspension, retirement, age, misuse) then Kyler show what a player he truely is.
 

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I'm not exactly defending KM, but the line was terrible today, and I'm not sure any QB survives playing behind such a dreadful line. Yes, KM didn't play well, but the Seahawks' defense is not what it was early in the year, it's much improved. I don't think today's game is proof of KM's ineptitude.
 

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You've got to be honest with yourself...which QB's are playing worse than KM right now?
PJ Walker?
Sam Ehlinger?
That's all I've got.
 

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So when you are in his workout and film sessions with him, where do you think he's not spending enough time? Oh, you say you aren't in there with him so you have no idea what his work ethic is? Gotcha.

Just because someone has regressed doesn't mean they aren't working.
They literally put a clause in his contract that he needed to do more homework.

Why would ANY team do that with ANY player if they thought they were working as hard as they needed to? Do you think they just put that clause in there for funsies or because they wanted Kyler to look and feel bad?
 

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They literally put a clause in his contract that he needed to do more homework.

Why would ANY team do that with ANY player if they thought they were working as hard as they needed to? Do you think they just put that clause in there for funsies or because they wanted Kyler to look and feel bad?
I think they knew it was going to be criticized for extending him after our collapse last year so they wanted to make it look like they were being proactive, but really it was idiotic. If they wanted him to study more would they have made it a laughably low amount of hours? Just another bumbled move by our FO. Keim was most likely drunk when he thought how brilliant that would be to add
 

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They literally put a clause in his contract that he needed to do more homework.

Why would ANY team do that with ANY player if they thought they were working as hard as they needed to? Do you think they just put that clause in there for funsies or because they wanted Kyler to look and feel bad?

Again with "they", even though it's been reported that only one person wanted the clause in there, Michael Bidwill, and he is completely ignorant. Probably read about the "issues" on a fan forum.
 

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at this point kliff needs to go because he can't get enough out of Kyler, whom is paid 1/4 billion dollars. IDK who the hell the coach is who can get more out of the kid, but we need to try.
 

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In your opinion of course, the guys who get paid to judge talent know otherwise…
Huh? That makes no sense. Who are "these people"? Are you talking about guys paid to give their opinion? So what? I am looking at hard facts and stats that say otherwise. You could be a talking head. Again, answer my original questions. How many #1 picks with this sample size are doing the things that Kyler does with this sample size that end up being great? Again, I didn't say he sucked. I am simply arguing he will be a Tier 2 QB and never a Mahomes, Brady, etc.... In other words...good but not great.
 
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Since we have absolutely no run game, I'd bet our 1st down yardage is the worst in the league.
That's something that baffles me the most, we were one of the best running teams under Kilff until the mid-last season. Drake performed the best in gis career when he was here. Conner was selected for Pro-Bowl here last year. Even Edmonds got a fat check due to his decent play here who are now getting offloaded the first year into his new contract. But now we suddenly can't run at all. What has happened?
 
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Huh? That makes no sense. Who are "these people"? Are you talking about guys paid to give their opinion? So what? I am looking at hard facts and stats that say otherwise. You could be a talking head. Again, answer my original questions. How many #1 picks with this sample size are doing the things that Kyler does?
the ones who go down as busts. I'm sure those guys had a ton of the fan base support until the bitter end as well.
 

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That's something baffles me the most, we were one of the best running team under Kilff untill mid last season. Drake performed the best in gis career when he was here. Conner was selected to Pro-Bowl here last year. Even Chase got a fat check due to his decent play here who are now get offload first year into his new contract. But now we suddenly can't run at all. What has happened?

Combination of things in my opinion. - our OL is very bad right now on the interior, Keim overpaid Conner who is a mediocre RB, the backups are not very good, our run plays are very predictable, and we are behind in scoring over 90% of the time as we have conceded points on every opening drive.
 

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That's something baffles me the most, we were one of the best running team under Kilff untill mid last season. Drake performed the best in gis career when he was here. Conner was selected to Pro-Bowl here last year. Even Chase got a fat check due to his decent play here who are now get offload first year into his new contract. But now we suddenly can't run at all. What has happened?
Well he had a bad Oline to begin w.. now 3 starters were out and Beacham regressed. So 3 backups and a regressing LT… no QB can make up for that.
 

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Combination of things in my opinion. - our OL is very bad right now on the interior, Keim overpaid Conner who is a mediocre RB, the backups are not very good, our run plays are very predictable, and we are behind in scoring over 90% of the time as we have conceded points on every opening drive.
Well he had a bad Oline to begin w.. now 3 starters were out and Beacham regressed. So 3 backups and a regressing LT… no QB can make up for that.
If that's the case, the problems are Keim and the strength & condition coach, not Kliff nor Kyler, right?
 

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Good question. Maybe no need to game prep. The game comes to him. He sees what others don't. I could go on. Kyler is not the only problem, but he is a large part of the problem.
Just the fact that in Year 3 when he gave that interview (!) our organisation had allowed that mindset to develop.

No one had hit him between the eyes with some actual truth.

Sure, you've got some talent but that will only get you so far. Other teams will work you out if you stand still. What you really need to do to become a top shelf QB in this league is X, Y and Z.

I'm not convinced anyone down there actually knows what a top quality QB needs to do. We were happy with what he's dished up so far and how he's been developing, hence the contract.

So Kyler doesn't know how to go up a level and we don't know how to teach him. Blind leading the blind.
 

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Transcendental talents are supposed to TRANSCEND obstacles to at least be mediocre. And they be able to do that after the completely idiotic things they willing said in the press about not needing to kill himself watching gil
like other QBs because he has super x-ray vision to see the field unlike anyone else.
But I do not see him as a transcendent talent. Yeah, they had to pay him as one because that is the nature of the beast for it seems any starting ability QB with his contract in que, but he will never be that with his height. I do see a possible good starting QB which can take you to a Super Bowl if handled right without putting it all on him
 

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Kyler on his atrocious momentum killing fumble at the end of the half:

“It's unfortunate," Murray said. "I haven't usually fumbled in my career at all, and then the kid made a good play."

Yeah… F this guy. How about you say:

“Sane thing happened the last time I played Seattle and it cost us points. I HAVE to protect that better.”

For a guy who screams and dishes out accountability to other teammates and coaches, making scenes on the sidelines, take SOME ACCOUNTABILITY for your own mistakes. ONCE. Then I’d believe he can ever actually get better.

Guy made a good play on it… ****. Guy barley touched the ball but you fumbled it away because you carry it like a loaf of bread.
 

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