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Re: Re: I Like The Decision

Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
so you're saying you're willing to concede that the cards will never have all their draft picks in by a reasonable date? that's a defeatist attitude.

pace is gonna be at camp soon! YEAAAAYYYY (more positive stuff)

So you're telling me there's a
chance?

....what was all that one in a million talk a few minutes ago?

That's as good as money, sir. Those are our IOUs. You can add them up yourself. Every penny's accounted for
 

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Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
This is disinformation at it's finest...

I quote the article:

"There now is a chance that Johnson and his agent will consider filing a grievance against the Cardinals, whose bargaining tactics were at least dubious, and who thought enough of the wide receiver three months ago to pluck him before taking Pace off the board"

Nowhere does it say that Bryant Johnson's agent is considering filing a grievance. It merely states that there is a chance he will consider.

You are still ranting.


caught you in the act here cheesey. :thumbup:
 

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Originally posted by Crimson Warrior
caught you in the act here cheesey. :thumbup:

yep - I misread and mistook(not a word) that for fact - but I can make an assumption about it - but that all it is - I mean after all - If everyone else here can make the assumption that BJ's agents are completely to blame and that regardless this should all get taken care of quickly - then why can't I? And nothing I did was on purpose - BUT THANKS EVERYONE FOR IMPLYING AS MUCH!:thumbup:

Why is it that people can;t see both sides of this? I think the reason I become so verbose is because everything is seen only one way here - I applaud getting Pace in here, but even in doing so - I can;t believe how many people are statisfied with instant gratification. Our receiving corps is in just as dire need of help as our D-line IMO - The Cards had to be thinking the same thing considxering they drafted two WRs in the first round and traded for another - some of you like to think we have depth at reciever - why - I think you're mistaking quantity with quality and considering we haven't seen any of those guys play yet - except McAddley (who was just OK - and apparently has already been demoted to second team) how can you say what is quality and what is not?

Again - Cards seemingly having problems getting all their draft picks in on time - business as usual so far. Prove me wrong Graves - I want to be wrong.
 

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Originally posted by cheesebeef
yep - I misread and mistook(not a word) that for fact - but I can make an assumption about it - but that all it is - I mean after all - If everyone else here can make the assumption that BJ's agents are completely to blame and that regardless this should all get taken care of quickly - then why can't I? And nothing I did was on purpose - BUT THANKS EVERYONE FOR IMPLYING AS MUCH!:thumbup:

Why is it that people can;t see both sides of this? I think the reason I become so verbose is because everything is seen only one way here - I applaud getting Pace in here, but even in doing so - I can;t believe how many people are statisfied with instant gratification. Our receiving corps is in just as dire need of help as our D-line IMO - The Cards had to be thinking the same thing considxering they drafted two WRs in the first round and traded for another - some of you like to think we have depth at reciever - why - I think you're mistaking quantity with quality and considering we haven't seen any of those guys play yet - except McAddley (who was just OK - and apparently has already been demoted to second team) how can you say what is quality and what is not?

Again - Cards seemingly having problems getting all their draft picks in on time - business as usual so far. Prove me wrong Graves - I want to be wrong.

I will agree that the cards put themselves in somewhat of an awkward position trying to sign two first rounders (considering the flat rookie pool amount).

but, I think that it was just absolutely critical that we get pace into camp. So, I will say that that graves made the best of a bad situation.

I don't think we need to assign "blame" yet either man. Why don't we wait a few days to see how this thing pans out and THEN decide who is to blame. ok? lets see what the cards offer the kid before we start saying that it is "business as usual"

and cheesey, lay off the "i wanna be a ******" and "Rod graves is god" stuff. it really irritates.
 

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Originally posted by Crimson Warrior

and cheesey, lay off the "i wanna be a ******" and "Rod graves is god" stuff. it really irritates.

you got here late after tensions were running extremely hot. it stopped.
 

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Originally posted by cheesebeef
I want to be wrong.
I want to be wrong. [/QUOTE]

Uh huh...sure you do Cheesy. That's why you rant and scream and act so childish at times here.
.....now just click your little red Nike's together 3 times and you and DoDo (oops TootToot, oops again ToTo) will be back home real soon.
:rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by cheesebeef
you got here late after tensions were running extremely hot. it stopped.


I followed the thread all day. I just wasn't at a computer that I could post at.

nidian was right when he said the hysteria was "out of control". I mean, the darksiders just completely flipped out after the article came out.

you guys were ready to string RG up by his thumbs and we hadn't even heard what the next offer to BJ would be!
 

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okay, up 'til now i've just thrown out quips and barbs, but haven't really weighed in on all this, so here's my two cents:

1) most importantly, we have a first rounder in camp. it doesn't matter to me whether or not it was pace or bj (and my juvenile sense of humor has to really be kept in check every time i see "bj" thrown around). i'm excited to see pace in early in camp (though i really thought we'd have him BEFORE camp), and hope to see him provide some help in the rush that is direly needed. bravo for at least gettin one of 'em in!

2) next most importantly, it seems that negotiations with yet another cardinal player have become acrimonious. that troubles me. i understand that negotiations are often contentious (i am, afterall, an attorney), but they don't have to be nasty, and i think that graves' actions (and perhaps segal's as well) have lead to what may be a bitter holdout. we need bj in camp as much as we need pace. what beef was trying to say is, yeah, we gots a lotta wrs in camp, but none of 'em are considered more talented than bj. if that were the case then they wouldn't have been drafted in later rounds (if at all). when do draft a player in the first round you're pretty convinced he's gonna be a special player (and i'm not talkin' takin' the short bus to the playing field). there can be no argument against the fact that the cards need all the special players they can get. now i'm not saying they're not gonna sign bj, i'm sure they will. what i AM saying is that it looks likely that yet another cardinal will begin his career with a bitter taste in his mouth and with a lot of valuable time missed. whoever is at fault, player, team or agent, the fact remains, the cards experience this year in and year out. it's a really bad habit. and it kills our chances at success.

3) if what skorp reports is true, well, then the cards are a little less to blame. but let's remember, it is the cards "PR" department with whom skorp spoke. and, while i understand it is most companies' policy to have only a pr dept handle such questions, it is also a pr dept's main job to spin facts in the most favorable light to the company (aka the cards). so just as you all wish to downplay len's reporting, also take into considering who's providing skorp with his data. also, as an aside, i want to thank skorp for following up on the story, any additional information is ALWAYS appreciated. and the fact that is somewhat "inside" 411 is all the more appreciated.

4) maybe the darkside is wrong and graves has a plan to get bj in sooner rather than later, but in the end i just miss howdy doody's analysis of graves' "plan."

after reading all this post i just feel a whole lot more stupider.

go cards! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEErookiesalarycapsuckseggsEEEEE!
 

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and cheesey, lay off the "i wanna be a ******" and "Rod graves is god" stuff. it really irritates. [/B]


i'll just be happy if he can lay off the "******" stuff. as a family member it's just plain embarrassing and creepy.
 

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Originally posted by Tangodnzr
B]I want to be wrong.

Uh huh...sure you do Cheesy. That's why you rant and scream and act so childish at times here.
.....now just click your little red Nike's together 3 times and you and DoDo (oops TootToot, oops again ToTo) will be back home real soon. :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]

Hey Tango - before you start calling someone childish, why don't you go get banned again, for what, the fourth time this year? Sorry you don't beliueve me about wanting to be wrong.

Also are you accusing me of doing drugs with the DoDo and TootToot references? If so . . . well YOU'RE RIGHT!
 

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Originally posted by Tangodnzr
I want to be wrong.


Uh huh...sure you do Cheesy. That's why you rant and scream and act so childish at times here.
.....now just click your little red Nike's together 3 times and you and DoDo (oops TootToot, oops again ToTo) will be back home real soon.
:rolleyes:
[/QUOTE]

good of you to be a jerk as usual. at least you're consistent.
 

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I feel RG did what he had to do especially after BJ's agent did not want to at least have a legitimate discussion. The agent knows it is a flat cap - he wanted to pitch up the price - which is his job. But in sales and negotiations you have to know which way the wind is blowing. And in this case the wind knocked Johnson and his agent over.

RG will offer a deal to Johnson that is fair and commesurate to his slot. It may not be in the exact form he wanted but his agent f'ed up.
 

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Ouchie (and Cheese), I've met the people Skorp is talking to and you are way out of line to suggest they are just blowing smoke to Skorp.

I don't know exactly who Skorp talked to but it pretty much has to be one of three people (one of which would be RG hinself). So far I've had nothing but good experiences with these folks.

So far all they have done is made us feel welcome, soory but I can't buy a conspriacy theory and part of what we can do now is to develop relationships with these folks and pass on what we can.

What I am passing on is that I tend to believe what they are telling me. While I'm not an attorney I do get involved in some large IT deals and I think I have a good feel for when I am being fed corporate BS.
 

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Originally posted by nidan
Ouchie (and Cheese), I've met the people Skorp is talking to and you are way out of line to suggest they are just blowing smoke to Skorp.

I don't know exactly who Skorp talked to but it pretty much has to be one of three people (one of which would be RG hinself). So far I've had nothing but good experiences with these folks.

So far all they have done is made us feel welcome, soory but I can't buy a conspriacy theory and part of what we can do now is to develop relationships with these folks and pass on what we can.

What I am passing on is that I tend to believe what they are telling me. While I'm not an attorney I do get involved in some large IT deals and I think I have a good feel for when I am being fed corporate BS.

Nidan - we aren't claiming conspiracy theory - but would expect OUR PR people to say something negative about us in negotiations? Come on now. If what Skkorp says is true, it will come out and then I will pat Graves on the back - until then I'm skeptical of everything said during negotiations - on both sides.

By the way - sports is enterainment - and a business - and you know what entertainment is - it ain't business - IT'S SHOWBUSINESS - I don't think anyone who doesn't work in either the entertainment or sporting profession really understands what goes on in these types of negotiations - working in the entertainment world - I am shocked at the amount of BS that flies.
 

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Wow....it really is Monsoon season in the desert...Would everyone agree that the Cards are now in a better position with there #1 picks? Come on it is easy. One is signed to 5yrs with the 5th yr being a club option. And the other has to take a longer deal. These guys are impact guys and they would much rather get to free agency as quick as possible.... That is what has always pissed me off about the #1. They wanted the big money but wouldn't give the years to the team. Now our guys are forced to. It's brilliant. If we had forced David Bostons agent into at least a 5yr deal. His whiny ass play and quitting on the team leverage would have been gone. Kudos to Graves...he has won this negotiation. Pace is worth the extra he was givin and the club has the 5th yr option and as a bonus...if Johnson wants the same type dollars he has to agree to a longer contract...Brilliant...the was it should be done.
 

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The conspiracy theory bit was meant a little tongue in cheek.

My point is that I'm trying to give you a sense of the impressions I get from talking to these folks. The impression I get is that they want this more than you do and I have yet to feel I was getting the corporate line. I'm trying to help, ie give you more info to guess with.

Don't forget you hear one comment secondhand, Skorp, Jo and I get to hear them just talk about various issues.

As for what you think they will say, so far I haven't got the impression that they hold back with us or sugar coat things. Rather I think that they just won't comment, the fact that they did in this case suggests that not only is it true but RG is PO'd about it.
 

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I just want to watch them be good and I'm tired of arguing about it all offseason long. In one case this board is a blessing - the best site in the world for Crads fans - but on the other hand it's keeping me from getting anything accomplsihed during the day.
 

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Re: Re: I Like The Decision

Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
so you're saying you're willing to concede that the cards will never have all their draft picks in by a reasonable date? that's a defeatist attitude.

pace is gonna be at camp soon! YEAAAAYYYY (more positive stuff)
No, that is not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that when you are faced with a tough decision you can punt and do nothing or you can take action and make something happen. Would you prefer NO one was in camp? Obviously, Johnson and his agent are perfectly content to string negotiations out indefinitely. If you had your way, Pace would still be unsigned. How does that help?
 

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Originally posted by Ouchie-Z-Clown
that's true, but they did, according to article (the only source of info we have to go on right now), sign pace in a manner that has johnson's agent talking of filing a grievance. that's not good.

Can you show where in the article it says Johnson's agent is talking of filing a grievance?

This is the quote you are refering to: "There now is a chance that Johnson and his agent will consider filing a grievance against the Cardinals"

There is not even an inference that Johnson's agent said this, or as you say, "has johnson's agent talking of filing a grievance."

Pissing on the parade is fun , huh? We should have named you Chicken little rather than Ouchie the Clown.
 

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Originally posted by KingofCards
Can you show where in the article it says Johnson's agent is talking of filing a grievance?

This is the quote you are refering to: "There now is a chance that Johnson and his agent will consider filing a grievance against the Cardinals"

There is not even an inference that Johnson's agent said this, or as you say, "has johnson's agent talking of filing a grievance."

Pissing on the parade is fun , huh? We should have named you Chicken little rather than Ouchie the Clown.
There is no specific source because the whole grievance thing is speculation. There isn't any big news so Len P. and John Clayton have to create things so they can validate their existence.
 

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yeah, i'm not thinkin' there's any type of "conspiracy," nor am i implying that anyone is playing dirty pool or being anything less than ethical. simply put, people in pr are PAID to make things sound a certain way. that's their job. obviously the cards pr peeps would spin any info in favor of the cards. just asking people to consider the source and the motivations behind statements.
 

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And it's my job as a company President to decrypt "marketing speak" on an almost daily basis
 

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Originally posted by cheesebeef
And the spin begins . . . Personally I don't see why - forget it. People believe what they want to believe.

Including you. You are spinning negatively, others are spinning positively, can you really not see the difference? It is hypocracy on your part to insult the positive posters further.
 
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Re: Re: Re: I Like The Decision

Originally posted by Sack Daddy
. If you had your way, Pace would still be unsigned. How does that help?

what's "my way" sack daddy? please tell me. i'm waiting with bated breath. my way would be to have both in on time. bite the bullet and do things i don't want to do as a show of faith to our fans that we're finally turning things around. but yeah, i'd prefer a double holdout. exactly. thanks for speaking MY mind.
 

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