Phoenix, Seattle Closing in on Deal?

[NastyOne]

One of the points I made was that I was focused on whether someone was a good fit for the Suns. Even if Redick might someday become a good defender, he isn't now.

Neither is Barbosa, so we're not losing much if hes involved in the trade and then we select Redick.

It would be Marion for Lewis and Barbosa for Redick.

Only thing is we would now have a guy that would be automatic from three if left open, not just shoot it at 44%.(Not that 44% is bad lol)

Its very rare that you'll see JJ Redick miss a wideopen three, and thats why he can easily replace Leo, cause that would give us another player defenses have to keep a man on at all times.

 

[NastyOne]

Rookies don't contribute much but you do have to continually develop young players.

I don't like the idea of trading Marion but if they are determined to save the money why not forget about the picks?

Marion and LB
for
Lewis and Ridnour

Then the Suns can still try to package their 2 picks to move up a little.

Cause Ridnour is their point guard of the future, and no matter how much us fans want him its just not realistic that they'll move him.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

If JJ Redick is another Kyle Korver then I am with you.

Lewis is a great player and I could see why D'Antoni would want him, but again I don't think this is going to happen.

To another posters point, I certainly don't think the Suns would try to add 2 college players onto this team next season, their money is garaunteed and they offer nothing in their first year. I remember all the posters telling me that Thompson would make a contribution next season, well like the other 99% of rookies they don't in their first season, and especially not on a top 4 NBA team.

expecting some immediate return from the 10th pick in the draft verses a late second rounder (the mustard man) are very different expectations.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Neither is Barbosa, so we're not losing much if hes involved in the trade and then we select Redick.

It would be Marion for Lewis and Barbosa for Redick.

Only thing is we would now have a guy that would be automatic from three if left open, not just shoot it at 44%.(Not that 44% is bad lol)

Its very rare that you'll see JJ Redick miss a wideopen three, and thats why he can easily replace Leo, cause that would give us another player defenses have to keep a man on at all times.

you're guaranteeing that redick would hit nba threes at a 44%+ clip? now that's reaching, no matter how good of a shooter a player is.

 

[slinslin]

Redick is a bust. It would be ******** to pick him at #10.

 

[panfolk]

Somehow I think even the mentally challenged would know not to take Redick

 

[NastyOne]

you're guaranteeing that redick would hit nba threes at a 44%+ clip? now that's reaching, no matter how good of a shooter a player is.

Redick shot the 3 at over 40% for his career at Duke, and he did it while always being the #1 option on his team, and most times the only real scoring option on his team.

Over 40% taking shots that most wouldnt even think about taking

He makes circus shots look easy most of the time.

His only weakness in shooting is that sometimes he lets his ridiculous range go to his head and starts launching shots from 30+ with a man on him.

If Redick took mostly wide open 3's like Leo does and the many others Nash has played with, he would shoot at close to a 50% clip or higher.

There are few in the world right now that can hit the three like Redick.

There is a reason why hes going to be a lotto pick even though hes a tweener and not a great athlete.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I will vomit a thousand time if we make this deal and pick JJ Reddick, who's the greatest choke-job artist the NCAAs has ever seen. Does anyone have those horrific stats of his from the tournament after round 1 - he shoots something like 27% from EVERYWHERE. Yeah, the pressure goes up and Reddick goes down - and that's at the college level. Reddick will be Trajon Langdon, bank on it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

There is a reason why hes going to be a lotto pick even though hes a tweener and not a great athlete.

and that reason is that this is regarded as one of the worst drafts in recent memory.

Reddick will be NOTHING at the pro-level IMO. Trajon Langdon part deux.

 

[NastyOne]

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Name:J.J. Redick
Height:6' 5"
Weight:190 pounds
Current Team:Duke , Senior

NBA Position:SG
Date of Birth:6/25/1984 (22 Years Old)
High School:Cave Spring
Hometown:Roanoke, Virginia
Earliest Draft Class:2005
Current Position:SG
Possible Positions:SG
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+1]Strengths:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]One of the most dangerous offensive threats the college game has seen in quite some time, J.J. Redick has mastered the art of putting the ball in the basket and has been rewarded by shattering countless team, conference and NCAA records in his four years of college.

Redick became known on the national scene first and foremost for his perimeter stroke, despite the fact that there is now more to his game than just that. He is legitimately one of the best shooters the college game has ever seen. Redick’s mechanics are perfect, and absolutely identical every time; starting with his outstanding footwork, the way he squares his shoulders and balances himself instantaneously, the lift he gets on his jump shot, the incredible quickness of his release, and the beautiful follow through he puts on his shot every single time. There is absolutely no way to become the type of shooter he has developed into without putting countless hours of hard work based on pure repetition and understanding the physics of what effective 3-point shooting is based on. This will translate into well over 450 3-pointers made by the time Redick is done at Duke, tops in NCAA history. Redick is not only a volume shooter, he’s also deadly accurate, shooting around 41% from behind the arc for his career at Duke despite being one of the most closely guarded players in the country for much of that time. His range extends well beyond the 3-point line without losing much of its accuracy, showing the ability to nail some incredibly contested shots from 28 feet or more without changing his mechanics one bit.

It’s not just his mechanics and range that make him so dangerous, but also the effort he puts in to utilize them that has made him so prolific in his NCAA career. Redick’s off the ball movement is a thing of beauty. He is one of the tougher players to guard in the NCAA not just because of his outstanding skill level, but also because of how hard he makes his defenders work to defend him. He’s constantly in motion moving off the ball, working the entire 25 foot radius around his basket from sideline to sideline which constitutes the shooting range in which he is virtually automatic with his feet set and an inch of space. He has worked extremely hard on his conditioning level, and is now able to run endlessly around the floor for 37 minutes per game on average without tiring. He uses screens incredibly well (much like Reggie Miller or Rip Hamilton) and understands the right angles to take, the sharp cuts he needs to make and having the perfect timing to execute the plays run for him to perfection to free himself up. His specialty is coming off a screen on the baseline, catching the ball from behind the left part of the 3-point line, leaping in the air and turning towards the basket simultaneously while releasing and swishing his shot in one fluid motion. Redick is just an extremely intelligent player who understands the game and has figured out how to maximize his time within it.

Beyond just being a threat from behind the 3-point line, Redick has also mastered the art of the mid-range shot which compliments his outside shooting proficiency so well. Because it takes him such little space and time to get his deadly shot off, he’s guarded about as closely as anyone in the NCAA, usually being the focal point of the opposing team’s defense. What Redick will do to counter that is use an impressive arsenal of head, shot and body fakes (which obviously have a ton of credibility) to get his man off-balance and drive right by him. He then is able to stop on a dime, elevate quickly while fading away left, right, backwards, forwards or straight up to knock down the mid-range jumper from anywhere inside the arc. This part of his game has become a deadly part of his arsenal in his senior year, to the point that he has to rely on his outside shot only for about half of his field goal attempts, as opposed to nearly 2/3rds of the time as a freshman or sophomore. His ball-handling has improved enough he can make his way to the basket effectively without much trouble, either to finish himself with a nifty layup off the glass or find the open man on the drive and dish if the paint is too crowded for his liking. In his senior year Redick is shooting an outstanding 50% from the field and 43.4% of his outside shots at the time of this report.

To back up just how much more versatile Redick’s offense has become, he gets to the free throw line almost 8 times per game, compared with just 3.3 times as a freshman and 4.0 as a sophomore. For comparison’s sake, uber-athlete Rodney Carney goes to the line 3.5 times per game, Brandon Rush is there 2.25 times, and similarly sized Randy Foye is there 5 times per.

Once he gets to the free throw line, Redick is about as close to automatic as you can get. He will likely finish as the all-time best free throw shooter in NCAA history if he continues at his current pace. At the time of this report (March 1) he was still on track to break Gary Buchanan’s record of 91.3%, with Redick sporting a 92% average himself. His effectiveness from the line has dropped a bit this season as the minutes and attempts have piled up, but at 88% he’s still world-class.

Redick is a pretty good passer, generally being an unselfish player who knows his limitations and understands his teammates’ strengths enough to not abuse his offense. He doesn’t make many mistakes and has shown the willingness and ability to make the extra pass and coexist within a highly structured offense. You will rarely see him take a bad shot, or at least one that he is not capable of making more often than not.

In terms of intangibles, you know what you are going to get every night with Redick, and that is maximum effort and consistency. He’s scored 18 or more points a game in all but two games this season so far, and has put up 30 or more in half of his games, hitting 40+ three times on the way. He has an outstanding work ethic and by all accounts appears to be an excellent teammate both on and off the floor. His leadership skills look very strong, leading by example with the impressive way he carries himself, but also not being afraid to get on his younger teammates when they don’t execute. Redick is a clutch player who wants the ball in his hands at the end of games, and his shown absolutely no fear of taking the last shot with the clock running down.

He shows some veteran savvy that will work well for him once his credibility is established with NBA refs, already using the Reggie Miller trademarked scissor kick leg action to draw fouls when he’s being heavily contested. He is usually the most intense player on the floor, playing the game with a ton of passion, but not letting this allow him to get out of control and lose his focus for getting the win. No player in the NCAA has been more abused in his career both by opposing fans and players who try to get under his skin with insults and cheap shots, but Redick has the mental toughness to not let any of this phase him.

He plays for who many consider to be the best coach in the NCAA in Mike Krzyzewski, at one of the top programs in the country at Duke. During his four years in college he’s garnered as much experience winning games and playing in pressure situations as a player conceivably can in an NCAA career. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+1]Weaknesses:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Most of Redick’s weaknesses revolve around the characteristics that are usually expected from prototypical shooting guards in the NBA, and the fact that players in his mold have seen limited success in the NBA over the past 10 years or more.

First would be his size. At 6-4, Redick is below average for an NBA shooting guard. In today’s NBA we find very few starting caliber 2-guards at his height, and even those are usually players with superior athleticism compared with what Redick displays at the moment. His wingspan does not make up for his lack of height either.

Second would be his athletic ability. Despite not being a poor athlete, Redick does not fit your typical mold of extremely quick and explosive shooting guards who are able to blow by their man at will and get up and dunk in the face of 7-footers with authority. His footspeed is just average, as is his leaping ability, and therefore there will be questions he will have to answer about his ability to translate his incredible scoring ability to the NBA where defenders are generally bigger, stronger, longer and quite a bit more athletic than the players he usually goes up against in the NCAA. Redick is not a player who needs much space, if any, to get his shot off effectively. Still, there will be people along the road who look at his average physical attributes, skin color and the lack of similar players with his characteristics and doubt how successful he will be at what he does once he reaches the NBA level.

Being a good, but not a great ball-handler, Redick is not a player who can create his own shot at will without some help from his teammates and a smart coach’s game plan, and therefore might not be able to fit seamlessly into any NBA system. The team that drafts him will need to take advantage of his strengths and be prepared to do what it takes to mask his weaknesses, which means calling plays for him to make sure he gets involved, ideally as a 2nd or 3rd option offensively. A stubborn coach who does not realize what a weapon he has on his hands and is foolish enough to not make the proper adjustments to utilize them would be a clear recipe for disaster both for him and his team. Redick would be greatly aided by playing with either an excellent point guard who can penetrate the lane, force the defense to collapse and kick the ball out to him in a position to use his outstanding stroke and/or a back to the basket big man who draws double-teams and is able to pass out of them to find the open man after the defense shifts.

One part of his game where his weaknesses will almost surely be exposed is on the defensive end. Redick is just an average defender at the NCAA level already, and this is an area where things can only get worse in the NBA. His lack of height likely means that many 6-7 shooting guards will be able to just elevate over the top of him to get their shot off, while his lack of lateral quickness could make it tough for him to stay in front of his man. In the fairly rare occasion that a taller and stronger player decides to post him up on the block, Redick’s relative lack of bulk can be taken advantage of.

Fantasy basketball lovers beware, Redick is not a stat stuffer, averaging just 2 rebounds, a decent 2.7 assists and 1.5 steals. It’s his scoring that makes him the prospect he is. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+1]Competition:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Redick plays in the ACC, widely considered one of the best conferences in America throughout his 4 years of play here. He was a starter from day one at Duke, averaging 15 points as a freshman in 30 minutes per game next to current NBA players Chris Duhon and Dahntay Jones. His team made it to the Sweet 16 of the NCAA tournament that year, but Redick came up flat in their loss to eventual finalists Kansas with a 2-16 shooting performance. As a sophomore his team made the Final Four before losing to eventual champions UConn (led by Emeka Okafor), with Redick averaging 16 points per game in 31 minutes per game that season. In his junior year Redick became a national star, averaging 22 points per game, being named a first team All-American but again coming up short in the NCAA tournament with a loss in the Sweet 16 to eventual final four participants Michigan State. Redick was clearly gassed from the long season and had a very poor tournament by his standards, shooting 10/38 from the field and 6-24 from behind the arc in three games. As a senior, Redick has upped his scoring averages considerably to an impressive 28 points per game at the time of this report on 50% shooting from the field, putting him neck and neck all season long for the NCAA scoring crown with Adam Morrison. His team is widely considered strong candidates to make the Final Four once again after only losing one game so far this season.

As a high school player, Redick was highly regarded, winning Virginia’s Mr. Basketball award and being named to the McDonald’s All-American game, where he won MVP honors. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=+1]Outlook:[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Redick did everything humanly possible during the regular season to position himself to be selected in the lottery of the 2006 NBA draft. A poor showing in March (he already come up short in the past here) muddied the waters quite a bit, though, confirming many of the concerns many already had about him.

Private workouts is not a place where Redick stands a lot to gain considering the emphasis that is put on one-on-one play, defense and athletic testing, so expect him to pick and choose which ones to show up for and who to go up against.

At the end of the day, look for him to land somewhere in the 7-17 range of the draft.

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[NastyOne]

To even think Redick will be a bust because of how he plays in the tourney is beyond dumb.

Teams gameplan on not letting Redick even touch the ball during the tournament, and when he does fight his way through countless screens and finally gets the ball in his hands he still has to shoot over defenders leaping at him.

Redick in his four years at Duke hasnt had one legit scorer play with him, and everyone knows this.

All the pressure for them to score was placed entirely on his shoulders and he still led the ACC in scoring for the 2nd straight year.

Ask Josh Howard how hard it is to defend Redick since JJ owned him on many nights.

There is no way in hell Redick has a Trajon Langdon career, cause Langdon was a spotup shooter and thats it, Redick can shoot it from anywhere on the floor from any form.

When all is said and done, Redick will be the best 3 point shooter in the NBA and can average atleast 15+ ppg for his career.

 

[cepstrum]

Although this deal does not make me vomit, I wouldnt be thrilled with it either. Although Shawn may be slightly overrated as a defender, his versitility is not. He has guarded everyone from parker to nesterovic and he does an OK job.

Offensively we would be better, but defensively we may take a hit since we would only have 1 perimeter defender in raja. Fast guys in the perimeter would have a field day with us. Just my two cents.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This wraps my opinion up pretty well - from the Sporting News:

Everybody's All-American is less than ordinary when the NCAA tournament gets down to the Sweet 16. Consider in Duke's last three NCAA tournament losses (two Sweet 16 losses and one Final Four), Redick has gone a un-J.J.-like 10-for-42 from the field and a mortal 7-of-29 from long distance.

There's no taking away what Redick, who is searching for a national title in his senior season, has done in his career. He's the all-time leading scorer in the history of the ACC. He's drained more 3-pointers than any other player in NCAA history. He's won plenty of games and ACC titles while in Durham.

But he needs to step it up on the sport's biggest stage, or his legacy won't be quite complete.

If Redick isn't scoring, what else is he really doing? It's not as if he's going to go out and dish off double-digit assists (he's only had more than four assists three times this season) or mix it up and pull down a handful of rebounds (he averaged just two boards per contest). He's no lock-down defender, either.

He's a shooter — and an unbelievable one at that. That is, until the madness gets serious.

Last season might have been Redick's toughest in the tournament. In three games, he shot 10-for-38 from the field and 6-of-24 from long distance. And in the Sweet 16 loss against Michigan State, Redick was just 4-for-14 from the floor.

In his sophomore season, when Duke was knocked off by UConn in the Final Four, he shot more than 50 percent from the field in two of the five games but was 4-of-12 from the floor and 3-of-9 from long range against the Huskies. And as a freshman, Redick was a woeful 2-for-16 overall and 1-for-11 from 3-point range in a regional semifinal loss to Kansas.

This guy chokes at the college level, where the athletes aren't even comparable to the Pors and people think for some reason he'll flourish in the show? He's a Duke, unathletic, small SG - in other words... BUST.

To say the best case scenario is Michael Redd is freaking ridiculous. Redd can post up, take his man off the dribble and is bigger and taller. Best case scenario for Reddick is Steve Kerr and you don't take Steve Kerr with the 10th pick. IF we do, like I said, I'll vomit and officially be pissed that we traded Marion away for Lewis and Reddick. That - ain't good enough.

 

[Cheesebeef]

To even think Redick will be a bust because of how he plays in the tourney is beyond dumb.

Teams gameplan on not letting Redick even touch the ball during the tournament, and when he does fight his way through countless screens and finally gets the ball in his hands he still has to shoot over defenders leaping at him.

Redick in his four years at Duke hasnt had one legit scorer play with him, and everyone knows this.

All the pressure for them to score was placed entirely on his shoulders and he still led the ACC in scoring for the 2nd straight year.

Ask Josh Howard how hard it is to defend Redick since JJ owned him on many nights.

There is no way in hell Redick has a Trajon Langdon career, cause Langdon was a spotup shooter and thats it, Redick can shoot it from anywhere on the floor from any form.

When all is said and done, Redick will be the best 3 point shooter in the NBA and can average atleast 15+ ppg for his career.

why don't wwe make a little bet on that? I'll bet you 200 bones that by Reddick's 3rd year, he's not the best 3 point shooter in the league and isn't avergaing 15 points. Game?

And as far as never having another scorer - what the hell was Luol Deng? You know - the guy who Reddick played with when Reddick crapped the bed 3 of 5 games in the tourney, not to mention a horrific performance against Connecticut in the Final 4?

As far as the LSU game - what I saw was this - NO double teams - just one very athletic defender on Reddick completely shutting him down, just like it'll bein the NBA.

He's a bust and I'm willing to put money on it - are you?

 

[devilalum]

why don't wwe make a little bet on that? I'll bet you 200 bones that by Reddick's 3rd year, he's not the best 3 point shooter in the league and isn't avergaing 15 points. Game?

And as far as never having another scorer - what the hell was Luol Deng? You know - the guy who Reddick played with when Reddick crapped the bed 3 of 5 games in the tourney, not to mention a horrific performance against Connecticut in the Final 4?

As far as the LSU game - what I saw was this - NO double teams - just one very athletic defender on Reddick completely shutting him down, just like it'll bein the NBA.

He's a bust and I'm willing to put money on it - are you?

I'd think you would have to wait and see who drafts him before you make a bet. He could average 15+ a game for one team and 8 for another depending on the variables.

 

[NastyOne]

This wraps my opinion up pretty well - from the Sporting News:

Everybody's All-American is less than ordinary when the NCAA tournament gets down to the Sweet 16. Consider in Duke's last three NCAA tournament losses (two Sweet 16 losses and one Final Four), Redick has gone a un-J.J.-like 10-for-42 from the field and a mortal 7-of-29 from long distance.

There's no taking away what Redick, who is searching for a national title in his senior season, has done in his career. He's the all-time leading scorer in the history of the ACC. He's drained more 3-pointers than any other player in NCAA history. He's won plenty of games and ACC titles while in Durham.

But he needs to step it up on the sport's biggest stage, or his legacy won't be quite complete.

If Redick isn't scoring, what else is he really doing? It's not as if he's going to go out and dish off double-digit assists (he's only had more than four assists three times this season) or mix it up and pull down a handful of rebounds (he averaged just two boards per contest). He's no lock-down defender, either.

He's a shooter — and an unbelievable one at that. That is, until the madness gets serious.

Last season might have been Redick's toughest in the tournament. In three games, he shot 10-for-38 from the field and 6-of-24 from long distance. And in the Sweet 16 loss against Michigan State, Redick was just 4-for-14 from the floor.

In his sophomore season, when Duke was knocked off by UConn in the Final Four, he shot more than 50 percent from the field in two of the five games but was 4-of-12 from the floor and 3-of-9 from long range against the Huskies. And as a freshman, Redick was a woeful 2-for-16 overall and 1-for-11 from 3-point range in a regional semifinal loss to Kansas.

This guy chokes at the college level, where the athletes aren't even comparable to the Pors and people think for some reason he'll flourish in the show? He's a Duke, unathletic, small SG - in other words... BUST.

To say the best case scenario is Michael Redd is freaking ridiculous. Redd can post up, take his man off the dribble and is bigger and taller. Best case scenario for Reddick is Steve Kerr and you don't take Steve Kerr with the 10th pick. IF we do, like I said, I'll vomit and officially be pissed that we traded Marion away for Lewis and Reddick. That - ain't good enough.

Did you even watch Redick during his 4 year career?

Cause anyone that calls him a choker in the tourny clearly didnt watch any of the games.

Redick doesnt even get enough room to breath during tourny time, cause defenses do everything to limit his touches.

Its like blaming Nash for struggling against Dallas this year when they setup their defense to take him out of the game.

Redick had no one else to help take the burden off him for his 4 years at Duke, and to blame him for having bad games when defenses are totally keyed in on him is ********.

And Redick coming out of college has a better mid range game and is a better dribble penetrator than Michael Redd coming out of OSU.

 

[panfolk]

I'd think you would have to wait and see who drafts him before you make a bet. He could average 15+ a game for one team and 8 for another depending on the variables.

Right, like if he got picked by a team that would allow him 20+ attempts a night.

On another note: who out there thinks Marion, 27, and Barbosa for Lewis, Brewer, and a freshly waived Fortson makes sense?

That would give us

Nash
Bell
Lewis
Amare
KT

with
Diaw
Brewer
Jones
TT
and 21

coming off the bench with Burke and Grant holding it down.

 

[NastyOne]

why don't wwe make a little bet on that? I'll bet you 200 bones that by Reddick's 3rd year, he's not the best 3 point shooter in the league and isn't avergaing 15 points. Game?

And as far as never having another scorer - what the hell was Luol Deng? You know - the guy who Reddick played with when Reddick crapped the bed 3 of 5 games in the tourney, not to mention a horrific performance against Connecticut in the Final 4?

As far as the LSU game - what I saw was this - NO double teams - just one very athletic defender on Reddick completely shutting him down, just like it'll bein the NBA.

He's a bust and I'm willing to put money on it - are you?

Luol Deng was a 18 year old freshmen at Duke.

Yeah he took a hellva lot of pressure off Redick.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

In the post where i recommended this trade (but including Ridnour) I said I felt Lewis could be 25ppg on this team. And i think he would be 8 RPG too. I think if all the times Marion was wide open in the corner for three and missed. Lewis won't miss those shots and he is MUCH better at posting a man up and getting to the basket one on one than Marion could ever dream. If Lewis averaged 20 in Seattle as the second option, i think he would average 25 here with more possessions, Nash, and being the second/third option depending onhow good Diaw gets. I see the potential of him being our second option at the end of games and our main guy if we need a perimeter shot.

Lewis would star on this team. After Garnett - this is the best ready made fit for our team at SF.

I am with every one else on Barbosa being included though. I think Marion would make the Sonics alot better so we should get more than thier guy who can opt out for nothing next year. As many have said Barbosa = Ridnour IMO. But i dont think its a deal breaker either. They like Ridnour but he hasn't progressed as fast as they would like and I think Wilcox, Perto, and especially Swift (who came on strong at the end last year) are more untouchable than Ridnour. And i would prefer Collison to Fortson as well.

I like the # 10 pick but can some one tell me more about Carney and Brewer. Is this really what we need and how good are these guys? I have seent he stats and measurables but never really seen either guy play.

And Redick will be what his athleticism will allow. A career bench guy who will win teams a couple games a year with his outside shot and if utilized correctly, a valuable gunner off the bench.

But you don't spend the #10 pick on that......

 

[Cheesebeef]

Luol Deng was a 18 year old freshmen at Duke.

Uh, wasn't he also the Freshman of the year and a freaking lottery pick? What kind of guy do you think could take the pressur eoff Redick - SHAQ? Good Lord.

Oh - and do you have the stats to back up Redick "owning" Josh Howard on MANY NIGHTS - especially considering they only played against each other for one year? Or is that just more made up nicities from the Redick/clueless camp?

 

[NastyOne]

I'd think you would have to wait and see who drafts him before you make a bet. He could average 15+ a game for one team and 8 for another depending on the variables.

Thats what im thinking

If he goes somewhere where hes not one of the top 2 options, he will thrive.

Teams like Houston,Miami and Phoenix would be perfict fits for his game, cause he could just setup shop behind the arc and nail uncontested threes as teams pack the paint on them.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Luol Deng was a 18 year old freshmen at Duke.

Yeah he took a hellva lot of pressure off Redick.

you still didn't answer my question on the bet. Not confident enough to put your money where your mouth is?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Luol Deng was a 18 year old freshmen at Duke.

Yeah he took a hellva lot of pressure off Redick.

uh, correct me if I'm wrong again, but wasn't Deng named the Most Outstanding PLayer for the enitre south Regional that year as well? You mean Redick needed MORE pressure taken off while having the best player in the bracket playing with him? How much more did he need to play well?

 

[ArizonaSportsFan]

I may be the newbie here, but betting on message boards is dumb - unless you actually know one another in real life.

BTW - I would take a pass on Redick as well at #10, but he would be great pick @ 21 if he were still available.

 

[NastyOne]

Uh, wasn't he also the Freshman of the year and a freaking lottery pick? What kind of guy do you think could take the pressur eoff Redick - SHAQ? Good Lord.

Oh - and do you have the stats to back up Redick "owning" Josh Howard on MANY NIGHTS - especially considering they only played against each other for one year? Or is that just more made up nicities from the Redick/clueless camp?

Maybe if you watched the ACC tourny you would know how he owned Howard.

If you need to see the stats go find them.

And Deng was drafted very high on potential, not because he was a great player for his one year at Duke.

Redick for his entire career at Duke was our only real scoring threat, and he was our only deep threat.

Teams took away his open looks and he struggled, and thats to be expected when you guard him like a hawk.

In the NBA on a team like the Suns he would not be guarded like that with other options like Nash,Stoudemire and Diaw.

I'm done on this subject cause i won't change my stance on how i think of Redick and neither will you.