Players who want out
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back the truck up. come one boys load em up 
Jaccoob
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Wouldnt surprise me if players wanted out of here....In alot of ways I cant say i blame em.....Dont think Dennis will have a problem with letting them go either... 
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abomb said:
Did they mention any names? Any names at all? Or is this another case of Bieckely making himself larger than the story?
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Let them go. If they're already feeling that way, then they don't deserve to be on an NFL team.
Players were so upset about Mac getting fired because he never held them accountable and training camp was a country club. They never had to worry about job security. I'd love to see these players that want out go to Dallas, or the Giants. They think it's bad here?
Players were so upset about Mac getting fired because he never held them accountable and training camp was a country club. They never had to worry about job security. I'd love to see these players that want out go to Dallas, or the Giants. They think it's bad here?
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how about winning a few freaking games before making demands!?!
how about winning a few freaking games before making demands!?!
Why do you put so much faith into what MJ and Bickley say. Bickley has no clue about the Cards and just tries to be controversial. MJ has talked bad about Green since he was hired. On every team or in every business there are always going to be people that are not happy and want out. Green’s job is not to make everyone one happy but to put a winning program together.
Everyone knows there are going to be some changes. Green is not going to stand pat with this team. When a big name player gets released MJ and Bickley will come back and say that they told us that players were not happy here when in fact it is Green who is calling the shots.
Everyone knows there are going to be some changes. Green is not going to stand pat with this team. When a big name player gets released MJ and Bickley will come back and say that they told us that players were not happy here when in fact it is Green who is calling the shots.
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What fascinates me is how people can say good riddance, without even knowing who these players are?
If it's some overpaid guy who does nothing, like Ray Thompson, sure by all means show them the door. If it's a key core young player, I would hope this is not an irreconcilable situation.
Every team in the NFL has this issue, but when you're trying to rebuild a franchise the LAST thing you want out there to potential free agents is players are not happy with coach Green. If it's hey he works us too hard wanting to win, that's one thing, but if it's he's just a power hungry tyrant who rules with fear(whatever Dex's quote was I forget), that's NOT a good thing for others around the league to be hearing from Cards players.
If it's some overpaid guy who does nothing, like Ray Thompson, sure by all means show them the door. If it's a key core young player, I would hope this is not an irreconcilable situation.
Every team in the NFL has this issue, but when you're trying to rebuild a franchise the LAST thing you want out there to potential free agents is players are not happy with coach Green. If it's hey he works us too hard wanting to win, that's one thing, but if it's he's just a power hungry tyrant who rules with fear(whatever Dex's quote was I forget), that's NOT a good thing for others around the league to be hearing from Cards players.
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MJ like usual kinda backed down after he opened his fat mouth. He first said several Vet. players told him they will be marching up to Greens office and demand a trade, guys that are under contract for awhile. Then he changed it to "at least a couple", then it was "at least a couple will ask to be traded, but several are going to ask the coach to be straight with them as to where they stand".
One thing he said that he has been told by players, which I do not doubt is that they dont trust him to tell them the truth about anything. This is probably true and is a real problem if it is true. It is one thing if he wants to mislead the media, I have no real problem with that. But to mislead or lie to your employees, well sorry but that is wrong and unethical. I dont care how sorry the team is performing, you dont BS your employees and expect them to perform better.
One thing he said that he has been told by players, which I do not doubt is that they dont trust him to tell them the truth about anything. This is probably true and is a real problem if it is true. It is one thing if he wants to mislead the media, I have no real problem with that. But to mislead or lie to your employees, well sorry but that is wrong and unethical. I dont care how sorry the team is performing, you dont BS your employees and expect them to perform better.
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Russ Smith said:
They should be counting their lucky stars that they're in the NFL. There are a ton of people that would do anything to have the opportunity that these(if this rumot is even true) malcontents have. It's just like any other job. You don't necessarily like your boss, but you still show up and do the best you can and hope the company can be successful.
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I was listening and felt that he did some backtracking as well. Bickley likes controversy to give his take meaning. So there are a couple of malcontents on a 4-9 team. Big suprise. IMO there are several Mac players that were kept because there was no one else available to replace them. That will not be the case this next off season. With another draft and a FA period we will see a new set of players that DG can mold without the extra baggage. I would say that this is going to be a really different team next year. A speculated list of guys that will be gone are Shelton, Clement, Emmitt, King, Spikes,Jones, Player, Williams, Shipp, Hodgins, .......on Defense I would say KVB, Bryant, Davis, Thompson, Woods, Hill, Starks, Ronnie Mac, Ohalate, and Koladje. Alot of these guys are under contract for next year so we will eat some dead money but we need to rebuild this team. I will not be sorry to see most of these guys go.DieHardCardFan said:
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Very well said my man! Any player that doesn't want to buy into Green's program can pack their bags and get the hell out of town. And that goes for players like Berry, Boldin right on down the line. I don't care how good they are.
Green demands effort and if they don't want to give it, then.....
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Rats said:
I dont see Shipp or Player going anywhere. And I would say either Shelton or Clement will still be around as backups.
And on D, I doubt Ronnie, KVB, Davis or Hill will be going anywhere. Starks, well he is a bit to high priced to be injured so much. When he has played he has been great this year.
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Rats said:
Ohalate is not going anywhere, we just gave him a new contract less then a month ago. Emmitt, Spikes, Jones, KVB, Hill, and Mac dont need to be fired you just dont offer them new contracts as they are all FA's.
As for the 2 guys MJ is talking about, guys who will tell Green to trade or cut them, my guess is Ray Thompson who is still fighting with the team to get the rest of the bonus we withheld when he signed a new conract then got suspended 1 week later. As for the other player I have no idea.
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I wish they could get all of Thompson's money back. He has "paycheck player" tattoed all over his forehead.
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Russ Smith said:
My definition of a very good coach is a coach that gets players to bend to him more often than not.
On the margin they can reclaim players that others think are impossible to deal with and they do it with suprising ease.
They still dump players because you can't and shouldn't save everyone but a few players can make all the difference.
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IMO Shipp will never again be a featured back and Player is to close to the union situation. He is a very good punter....but he is a punter. We can find another one. Our special teams have sucked this year even with his punting. IMO no way does Shelton or Clement come back. Even as back ups. On D I would like for Hill to come back as a backup. He is a gamer. KVB, Ronnie Mac, and Davis are Mac guys that no longer fit the quick defense scheme Clancy is putting in. I wanted KVB to work out because of his work ethic but the time has passed. The other to will not be back. As was posted alot of these guys don't need to be fired they are not under contract for next season so they will just be let go because they don't fit here.DieHardCardFan said:
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I did not realize we gave Ohalate a new contract. He has no guarenteed money on his existing contract so he IMO will be gone. Can someone confirm we reupped a contract with this one hit wonder. He is terrible and Yes I realize that alot of them are FA...I was just saying IMO they would not be asked to return to the team with a new contract.joeshmo said:
I wish Jureki and Bickley would ask to leave...
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Rats said:
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=41782&highlight=Ohalete
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=41489&highlight=Ohalete
http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=41455&highlight=Ohalete
Although the Zellner and Hambrick ones were nullified by the league.
And no matter if he hads no gaurnteed money or not he is not going anywhere or Green would not have given him a new contract in the first place and not to mention he is still a good backup material at the least at a good price and he is the only S currently under contract next year.
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Thanks Joeshmo, I did not remember him as being extended. He would be a decent backup but he is not fast enough to start and he is a terrible tackler. You are correct that if we do not Tag Wilson or sign him long term Ohalate is the only saftey under contract. I don't think I would want to pay him $1mil to be a back up however.joeshmo said:
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pete said:
I want to know where all those people are who last year deemed me certifiable when I continued to say that the name "Big Play Ray" was the dumbest and worst placed nickname in the history of sport.
I can't wait till he and the rest of the Mackage (KVB, Hill, Davis, Bryant) are jettisoned from this team. Same goes for Shelton and A.C.
In reality - the only guys who are worth keeping from the previous regime are Boldin, Big, Wilson, maybe Pace, and Shipp(as the backup only). That's pathetic.
There's still sooooo much dead weight on this club.
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What fascinates me is how people can say good riddance, without even knowing who these players are?
Russell - If a player has indicated he doesn't want to be here, it doesn't matter who he is. He's not going to play his best as a Cardinal and we're better off without him.
That said - I'd really like the Cards to put an end to the "'Get Nothing in Return for the Dude' Syndrome" they've been plagued with for many years.
Russell - If a player has indicated he doesn't want to be here, it doesn't matter who he is. He's not going to play his best as a Cardinal and we're better off without him.
That said - I'd really like the Cards to put an end to the "'Get Nothing in Return for the Dude' Syndrome" they've been plagued with for many years.
