Real GM Rumor: Amare to GS, Done Deal!?

[Ryanwb]

If they keep Ben Wallace, this team will score 65 points a game

 

[Treesquid PhD]

1. Nash, Curry, Dragic
2. Richardson, Barbosa, Belinelli?
3. Clark, Dudley
4. Wright?, Amundson
5. Beidrins, Lopez

Not bad. hopefully Clark of Wright if we get him develop as our PF.

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Kerr on KDUS wasn't thinking Clark would start in year 1.

 

[Folster]

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Kerr on KDUS wasn't thinking Clark would start in year 1.

You're probably right. I'm scared that the Amare deal goes down without Curry included.

 

[AsUdUdE]

You're probably right. I'm scared that the Amare deal goes down without Curry included.

Coro reported Curry was DEFINENTLY included in the deal.. no need to fret

 

[slinslin]

Our backcourt is way too loaded with Nash, Barbosa, Curry, Belinelli, Jrich and Dragic.

Nash should go and JRich also, maybe Barbosa too since he and Curry are similiar.

 

[Griffin]

Our backcourt is way too loaded with Nash, Barbosa, Curry, Belinelli, Jrich and Dragic.

Nash should go and JRich also, maybe Barbosa too since he and Curry are similiar.

I would hold on to Barbosa, let him start, build up his value, and let Curry develop behind him. Barbosa could become an all-star and lead the team in scoring if given the minutes, and we'll get a lot more for him later should we choose to trade him.

 

[Folster]

Do you guys think there is anything to the Houston rumors? J Rich and Barbs to Houston for McGrady?

 

[devilalum]

This is so much like the Nance deal. Hope it turns out as well.

 

[joshstmarie]

I would hold on to Barbosa, let him start, build up his value, and let Curry develop behind him. Barbosa could become an all-star and lead the team in scoring if given the minutes, and we'll get a lot more for him later should we choose to trade him.

i was all for trading barbs now...but this is a GREAT idea.

 

[Covert Rain]

If they get Biedrins, they won't go after Chandler.

Why not? You really want Biedrins to anchor you center position? The Golden State Warriors ranked #30 in the NBA at defending from the Center position. You want that as our Center over Chandler? The Hornets were ranked #2 in the NBA defending from that position. What is to like about now having the one of the worst defending Centers in the NBA?

Now add Brandon Write. Another bad defender. At least he can get you some Amare type numbers on offense but OMG

Will someone please explain to me where our front court defense will come from with this lineup?

If something is not in the works for Chandler...congrats to the Suns front office for making this team even worse defensively then we were last year.

 

[dodie53]

If they get Biedrins, they won't go after Chandler.

that is a fact

 

[Ryanwb]

Why not? You really want Biedrins to anchor you center position? The Golden State Warriors ranked #30 in the NBA at defending from the Center position. You want that as our Center over Chandler (Hornets were ranked #2 in the NBA defending from that position).

Can you explain that to me please? What is to like about now having the one of the worst defending Centers in the NBA?

Between Biedrins and Chandler you have one of the weakest scoring PF/C combo in the league

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I am a Warriors fan... The Warriors better have a physical clause and get an extension done or I will meltdown. Why would W's make this large trade of many of thier young players to rent Amare for one season?

 

[Dr. Jones]

Do you guys think there is anything to the Houston rumors? J Rich and Barbs to Houston for McGrady?

Our medical staff is the only thing I can be excited about tonight. I bet the Nets would have taken this for Vince Carter.

 

[SirStefan32]

Why not? You really want Biedrins to anchor you center position? The Golden State Warriors ranked #30 in the NBA at defending from the Center position. You want that as our Center over Chandler? The Hornets were ranked #2 in the NBA defending from that position.

What is to like about now having the one of the worst defending Centers in the NBA?

Whoa, man, take it easy. I am just saying that both of them are basically the exact same type of a player- defensive centers who rebound, block shots, and have no low post moves or jump shot. It just doesn't make sense to have two players who are just about identical to each other unless they are both SG/SFs. Biedrins/Chandler combo is like playing Charles Oakley and Ben Wallace together- it just doesn't make any sense. Somebody has to have SOME low post moves and some kind of a jumper.

 

[Folster]

Why not? You really want Biedrins to anchor you center position? The Golden State Warriors ranked #30 in the NBA at defending from the Center position. You want that as our Center over Chandler? The Hornets were ranked #2 in the NBA defending from that position. What is to like about now having the one of the worst defending Centers in the NBA?

Now add Brandon Write. Another bad defender. At least he can get you some Amare type numbers on offense but OMG

Will someone please explain to me where our front court defense will come from with this lineup?

If something is not in the works for Chandler...congrats to the Suns front office for making this team even worse defensively then we were last year.

That's misleading due to Nellie's system. Beidrins was often the only front court player on the floor playing with a bunch of shooting guards. He constantly had to leave his man for weak side help. Randolph only played an average of 17 minutes per game.

 

[Covert Rain]

Whoa, man, take it easy. I am just saying that both of them are basically the exact same type of a player- defensive centers who rebound, block shots, and have no low post moves or jump shot. It just doesn't make sense to have two players who are just about identical to each other unless they are both SG/SFs. Biedrins/Chandler combo is like playing Charles Oakley and Ben Wallace together- it just doesn't make any sense. Somebody has to have SOME low post moves and some kind of a jumper.

But Beidrins is not a defensive center. The guy gets about one block per game. That doesn't make him defensive. GS was one of the worst defending teams in the paint as well.

That's misleading due to Nellie's system. Beidrins was often the only front court player on the floor playing with a bunch of shooting guards. He constantly had to leave his man for weak side help. Randolph only played an average of 17 minutes per game.

He doesn't player any defense and I don't buy it was Nellie's system. He has never been known to be a good one on one defender his entire career. You can't tell me allowing a 24.7 Points (Opposing Per 48) is all because of the "system". That's horrible. Even if you believe that, what makes you think the Suns are not going to have an offensive minded system?

 

[joshstmarie]

You can't tell me allowing a 24.7 Points (Opposing Per 48) is all because of the "system". That's horrible. Even if you believe that, what makes you think the Suns are not going to have an offensive minded system?

do yourself a favor and go and compare tyson chandler and biedriens stats and get back to me.

 

[Bufalay]

do yourself a favor and go and compare tyson chandler and biedriens stats and get back to me.

I'm not paying attention to your posts, but I assume you're saying that Biedrins is better. The difference is that the Suns give up Amare for Biedrins whereas they'd be giving up a roidless-Ben Wallace for Chandler.

 

[cly2tw]

I'm not paying attention to your posts, but I assume you're saying that Biedrins is better. The difference is that the Suns give up Amare for Biedrins whereas they'd be giving up a roidless-Ben Wallace for Chandler.

Well, for some, Amare is less valuable than Ben's expiring.

 

[Griffin]

I'm all for bringing in Chandler, even with Biedrins here. I don't want to see Lopez, Wright or Clark starting yet. Can Biedrins move over to 4 with Chandler at center? If we don't go after Chandler, then the Shaq trade will be for nothing.

 

[joshstmarie]

I'm not paying attention to your posts, but I assume you're saying that Biedrins is better. The difference is that the Suns give up Amare for Biedrins whereas they'd be giving up a roidless-Ben Wallace for Chandler.

The point i was making was that biedrins is less injury prone/makes less money/plays more games/gets more rebounds/blocks more shots yet people are hating on him. why is tyson chandler held in such high regard? AB is better!

I dont like that amare is leaving but at the same time i think this package is better than the bulls one that almost happend at the end of the deadline.

as much dislike as there is around here for amare its funny to see people complain when something actually gets put into action.

 

[Covert Rain]

do yourself a favor and go and compare tyson chandler and biedriens stats and get back to me.

Sure.

Defensive stats
GS (Biedriens) Opponent Points Per 48 from center 24.7
Hornets (Chandler) Opponent Point Per 48 from center 15.1

Biedriens Blocks 1.5
Chandler Blocks 1.2

Not huge difference and blocks doesn't make a player a good defender either.

Gs Center defensive rank - #30
Hornets Center Defensive Rank - #2

GS Opposing Center FG% - #18
Hornets Oppsing Center FG% - #12

GS Defensive Points in the Paint #30
Hornets Defensive Points in the paint #3

You really going to sit here and compare the two of them defensively?

 

[SirStefan32]

I'm all for bringing in Chandler, even with Biedrins here. I don't want to see Lopez, Wright or Clark starting yet. Can Biedrins move over to 4 with Chandler at center? If we don't go after Chandler, then the Shaq trade will be for nothing.

No, you can not slide Biedrins to 4 and play him alongside Chandler because you end up with 2 big guys who can't shoot or post up, and don't need to be guarded.

Now, ship Wallace to Philli for Brand, and you have a nice PF/C tag team.

 

[Bufalay]

The point i was making was that biedrins is less injury prone/makes less money/plays more games/gets more rebounds/blocks more shots yet people are hating on him. why is tyson chandler held in such high regard? AB is better!

I dont like that amare is leaving but at the same time i think this package is better than the bulls one that almost happend at the end of the deadline.

as much dislike as there is around here for amare its funny to see people complain when something actually gets put into action.

You do not trade people who score 41 with detached retinas. It is a rule.