Rockets vs Suns 3/11

[TheCardFan]

Head Games....

GO SPURS GO

 

[az1965]

We were playing mind games with Houston by keeping Shawn out. So, in other words it has not been a win-win for Houston. They won it but in their mind we were not at full strength.








Just trying to do a Bickley imitation

 

[Joe Mama]

anyone mind telling me why Marion isnt playing ?

Mike D'Antoni is playing head games with Jeff Van Gundy.

Don't blame the refs. Blame PHX, who kept taking right at Yao.

Look at the tapes. Nearly every time down the floor, someone challenged Yao.

BTW, Nash hasn't been the same since before the All-Star game. His D has been way below average. And, he's lost a step.

okay, I really was not going to say anything about the referees tonight, but I am going to answer this. The Phoenix Suns didn't go right at Yao Ming. They went right at the basket. Yao Ming just never came out of paint... at either end of the court. Mutombo did the same thing.

Furthermore, they should have gone at the basket and Yao Ming. It was the smart thing to do. Yao Ming had four fouls early and should have picked up his fifth early in the fourth quarter. Instead the referees blatantly protected the international superstar.

That said, I'm growing a little tired of Steve Nash's incessant whining to the referees. I think he's a great player. He's the MVP of the Phoenix Suns, no doubt. He complains to the referees after every single whistle though even when it is an obvious call.

If only Stephen Hunter could rebound. I honestly don't think Yao Ming scored against Hunter when he went at him one-on-one. I wish the Phoenix Suns would stop sending the double teams when Hunter is guarding somebody in the low post. He does not need it. It just opens up shots for other offensive players. Don't get me wrong. I can see the problems with Hunter. Like I said his rebounding is below average, and most of the time he's lost on offense.

I hope Shawn Marion can play Sunday.

Joe

 

[jbeecham]

It was a decent game until the end of the 3rd qtr. This is the 1st Suns game I've ever left early because with about 2:30 left I couldn't stand the officiating any more.

Amare had a great post-game quote, he said "after the 4 plays in a row where I went at Yao and got fouled on each play with no call, I went to each ref and asked why there was no call and each ref said that they weren't watching the play..........".

 

[elindholm]

The Phoenix Suns didn't go right at Yao Ming. They went right at the basket. Yao Ming just never came out of paint... at either end of the court.

I'm with sly fly on this one. This was a classic example of D'Antoni's pigheadedness. He made up his mind that he was going to get Yao in foul trouble, so the Suns went at him over and over.

Instead the referees blatantly protected the international superstar.

Maybe they did, but so what? Eventually you have to adjust. If the referees aren't going to call fouls on Yao, that's just too damn bad. The Suns kept making the same argument, while the officials kept giving them the same answer, and it cost them the game.

Furthermore, they should have gone at the basket and Yao Ming. It was the smart thing to do.

It was a smart idea to try, until it became obvious that it wasn't going to work. To remain fixated on it was just plain stupid. The Suns have plenty of other ways to score -- it's not like Houston has a bunch of lock-down perimeter defenders on their team.

That said, I'm growing a little tired of Steve Nash's incessant whining to the referees.

Stoudemire thinks he gets fouled every time he goes to the basket. That's getting pretty tiring as well.

This was a horrible loss. The Suns had 80 points midway through the third quarter and then went into a complete tunnel-vision meltdown on the offensive end. Of course it didn't help that McGrady couldn't miss, but the Suns could have stayed in the game if they had executed offensively. Instead they got into a pissing contest with the referees. It was at least as bad as anything we've ever seen the Sacramento Kings do.

This team and its coach has a lot to learn if they want to make a good showing in the playoffs.

 

[Qmiles23]

Outscored 41-17 in the 4th quarter...

 

[JCSunsfan]

Amare forced shot after shot in the 4th. His immaturity showed big time. Marion would have been a huge difference in this game. Its the little things he does. . . LIKE REBOUND THE ----------- BASKETBALL!

Flush it. Move on.

 

[sly fly]

Mike D'Antoni is playing head games with Jeff Van Gundy.



okay, I really was not going to say anything about the referees tonight, but I am going to answer this. The Phoenix Suns didn't go right at Yao Ming. They went right at the basket. Yao Ming just never came out of paint... at either end of the court. Mutombo did the same thing.

Furthermore, they should have gone at the basket and Yao Ming. It was the smart thing to do. Yao Ming had four fouls early and should have picked up his fifth early in the fourth quarter. Instead the referees blatantly protected the international superstar.

That said, I'm growing a little tired of Steve Nash's incessant whining to the referees. I think he's a great player. He's the MVP of the Phoenix Suns, no doubt. He complains to the referees after every single whistle though even when it is an obvious call.

If only Stephen Hunter could rebound. I honestly don't think Yao Ming scored against Hunter when he went at him one-on-one. I wish the Phoenix Suns would stop sending the double teams when Hunter is guarding somebody in the low post. He does not need it. It just opens up shots for other offensive players. Don't get me wrong. I can see the problems with Hunter. Like I said his rebounding is below average, and most of the time he's lost on offense.

I hope Shawn Marion can play Sunday.

Joe

Watch the game again, Joe. Amare had no respect for Yao's presence. None. And, he thought he could go right around him or through him. That didn't happen.

Amare displayed tunnel vision. And, that's fine. He'll learn from this.

Steven Nash does ned to quit his whining. If he spent his energy concentrating on his D, maybe he'd be tired too complain. That said, EVERY player in the league goes through a tired-leg stretch. It's good that he's getting it out of the way. All that rest will pay off down the road.

Houston played damn good. They should have. they've been in town since Wednesday soaking rays up by the pool.

Not the refs fault.

 

[Joe Mama]

Watch the game again, Joe. Amare had no respect for Yao's presence. None. And, he thought he could go right around him or through him. That didn't happen.

Amare displayed tunnel vision. And, that's fine. He'll learn from this.

Steven Nash does ned to quit his whining. If he spent his energy concentrating on his D, maybe he'd be tired too complain. That said, EVERY player in the league goes through a tired-leg stretch. It's good that he's getting it out of the way. All that rest will pay off down the road.

Houston played damn good. They should have. they've been in town since Wednesday soaking rays up by the pool.

Not the refs fault.

first of all of me say again that I had no intentions of complaining about the referees until I read a few posts here saying that it was the Suns fault for going right at Yao Ming. I'll tell you why Amare had no respect for Yao Ming "presence". Yao Ming is not much of a defensive presence. He's soft, and he is slow. Amare Stoudemire should be able to go right around him or right through him. In fact he did, and the only reason Yao Ming was a "presence" (defensively) was that the referees swallowed their whistles in the fourth quarter.

Look, I'm not saying the referees cost the Phoenix Suns again last night. I definitely think it was a factor. Frankly the defense, especially the rebounding, was probably a bigger problem. I mean JJ guarded Tracy McGrady about as well as could be expected, but McGrady was just on fire.

Oh well. I just hope they play better against Denver tomorrow.

Joe Mama

 

[jbeecham]

Please........Houston averages 94.5 pts per game and I really don't think there's any way they put up 41 pts in the 4th qtr if the refs actually did their job. 41 pts is almost what they average for a half. Against the Suns they are going to score more points because they'll get more shots than in a slower paced game, but that 4th qtr was completely ridiculous with non-calls. Yao shouldn't even have been playing in the 4th qtr......at one point the refs called a foul on when Amare and Yao were the only 2 guys in the area and they called the foul on Tracy McGrady, but the problem was that T-Mac wasn't in the game so they changed it from 11 (Yao) to 1 (T-Mac) to #7.

The Suns weren't able to play offense with the hacking & hand-checking going on with no calls. They got called for a bunch of defensive fouls that didn't happen (like Yao being shoved to the ground by STEVE NASH!, but Yao isn't soft or anything). T-Mac was on fire despite good defense by JJ and that was legitimate. The Suns got great production from their bench and shot decently from 3pt land. Should the Suns only be allowed to shoot 3pt shots though? That's basically what some have said here........That Stoudemire shouldn't take the ball at Yao because the refs decided not to do their jobs so the Suns should be content to shoot jumpers and from 3pt.

Marion would've helped tonight, but the Suns had a lead going into the 4th qtr without him. Then the game went from being officiated poorly to being officiated horribly. Marion wouldn't have changed that, but he might have grabbed some rebounds and gotten some putbacks, although it would've been tough with Yao in the paint the entire game...........I think the refs called him for 3 seconds once........good job refs.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Please........Houston averages 94.5 pts per game and I really don't think there's any way they put up 41 pts in the 4th qtr if the refs actually did their job. 41 pts is almost what they average for a half. Against the Suns they are going to score more points because they'll get more shots than in a slower paced game, but that 4th qtr was completely ridiculous with non-calls. Yao shouldn't even have been playing in the 4th qtr......at one point the refs called a foul on when Amare and Yao were the only 2 guys in the area and they called the foul on Tracy McGrady, but the problem was that T-Mac wasn't in the game so they changed it from 11 (Yao) to 1 (T-Mac) to #7.

The Suns weren't able to play offense with the hacking & hand-checking going on with no calls. They got called for a bunch of defensive fouls that didn't happen (like Yao being shoved to the ground by STEVE NASH!, but Yao isn't soft or anything). T-Mac was on fire despite good defense by JJ and that was legitimate. The Suns got great production from their bench and shot decently from 3pt land. Should the Suns only be allowed to shoot 3pt shots though? That's basically what some have said here........That Stoudemire shouldn't take the ball at Yao because the refs decided not to do their jobs so the Suns should be content to shoot jumpers and from 3pt.

Marion would've helped tonight, but the Suns had a lead going into the 4th qtr without him. Then the game went from being officiated poorly to being officiated horribly. Marion wouldn't have changed that, but he might have grabbed some rebounds and gotten some putbacks, although it would've been tough with Yao in the paint the entire game...........I think the refs called him for 3 seconds once........good job refs.

I love the fact that mribink was ripping on the Houston fans for getting on the refs early and lo and behold - we BLOW a 14 point lead and what happens - EVERYONE HERE rips on the refs - as usual in a loss.

Jbeecham - I am just dubbing you KINGSFAN from now on - you're ridiculous man.

And let me aska question re: JJ - who I like as a player - but why is it that he consistently seems to get lit up and is deemed this great defensive player?

 

[jbeecham]

Hey Cheese..........rather than just calling me a Kings fan, why don't you argue any of the points in my post? Why do fans simply have to accept crappy officiating and be ok with it to be a "good" fan in your eyes? I'm calling you REFFAN from now on.

 

[elindholm]

at one point the refs called a foul on when Amare and Yao were the only 2 guys in the area and they called the foul on Tracy McGrady, but the problem was that T-Mac wasn't in the game so they changed it from 11 (Yao) to 1 (T-Mac) to #7.

This is incorrect. The only person who thought the foul was on McGrady was the PA announcer. I agree that the foul should have been charged to Yao instead of Wesley, but it isn't true that the officials first tried to hang it on McGrady.

I really don't think there's any way they put up 41 pts in the 4th qtr if the refs actually did their job.

The Suns' defense was terrible, McGrady was on fire, and the Rockets shot a bunch of free throws when the Suns were attempting a desperate late comeback. It's not that big a surprise.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Hey Cheese..........rather than just calling me a Kings fan, why don't you argue any of the points in my post? Why do fans simply have to accept crappy officiating and be ok with it to be a "good" fan in your eyes? I'm calling you REFFAN from now on.

good one - how about just GOOD SPORT instead being a baby like you constantly are after every single loss here. Honestly man, all you need to do is cut and paste your response in this thread after the game and post it for every loss - the song remains the same.

Yes - Jbeecham - I'm a REFFAN! Good one!

You're acting like a Kings fan and have done so all season long. The refs can't be singnlehandedly responsible for a 30 point turnaround - the very ide aof suich is ********.

 

[JHall]

You realize come playoff time, the refs swallow their whistles even more.

 

[Chaplin]

good one - how about just GOOD SPORT instead being a baby like you constantly are after every single loss here. Honestly man, all you need to do is cut and paste your response in this thread after the game and post it for every loss - the song remains the same.

Yes - Jbeecham - I'm a REFFAN! Good one!

You're acting like a Kings fan and have done so all season long. The refs can't be singnlehandedly responsible for a 30 point turnaround - the very ide aof suich is ********.

Geez, Cheese, why are you attacking so much lately?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Geez, Cheese, why are you attacking so much lately?

LOL - like your one to ask that question Chap - i wasn't the one taking on an entire thread of people upset about Sarver's actions on the court. Knocking the referees and conspiracy theories are just a pet peeve of mine - it's a sign of weakness and I don't like to think our fans have that or stoop to the level of Kings fans and I've just seen that increasing by the day here and I won't sugar coat anything - it bothers me I also think it masks and shifts focus from what are the real problems on this team... in other words - excuses are for losers IMO. It's not attacking - it's simply stating my opinion.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

LOL - like your one to ask that question Chap - i wasn't the one taking on an entire thread of people upset about Sarver's actions on the court. Knocking the referees and conspiracy theories are just a pet peeve of mine - it's a sign of weakness and I don't like to think our fans have that or stoop to the level of Kings fans and I've just seen that increasing by the day here and I won't sugar coat anything - it bothers me I also think it masks and shifts focus from what are the real problems on this team... in other words - excuses are for losers IMO. It's not attacking - it's simply stating my opinion.

no, gotta call you out on this one, bro. you stated your opinion in THIS post, but in the other one you clearly called jbeecham out.

 

[Cheesebeef]

no, gotta call you out on this one, bro. you stated your opinion in THIS post, but in the other one you clearly called jbeecham out.

the other post was just an observation - but, if that's attacking, then I apologize - see below for even more of an explanation which hopefully makes my opinion a little less hostile to some here.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Why do fans simply have to accept crappy officiating and be ok with it to be a "good" fan in your eyes?

who said anything about being a "good" or "bad" fan - surely I didn't. I just made the Kings fan comment because it's who I think you sound like and even though I think that attitude is ridiculous - but even so - Kings fans are GREAT fans - they've been selling out games ofr years and have the loudest arena in the league - they just annoy the hell out of me. That doesn't make me a better fan than you - you want to project that onto yourself, fine, but that's your doing, not mine.

 

[Chaplin]

LOL - like your one to ask that question Chap - i wasn't the one taking on an entire thread of people upset about Sarver's actions on the court. Knocking the referees and conspiracy theories are just a pet peeve of mine - it's a sign of weakness and I don't like to think our fans have that or stoop to the level of Kings fans and I've just seen that increasing by the day here and I won't sugar coat anything - it bothers me I also think it masks and shifts focus from what are the real problems on this team... in other words - excuses are for losers IMO. It's not attacking - it's simply stating my opinion.

Saying "who cares?" and "move on" isn't attacking. Borderline thread crapping, maybe , but not attacking.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Saying "who cares?" and "move on" isn't attacking. Borderline thread crapping, maybe , but not attacking.

whatevs - and I don't think telling someone m,y opinion is attacking, especially in light of most of the rest of the baord agreeing that to blame last night's performance on officiating is pretty ridiculous. It's a matter of putting things into perspective and when people are acting like Kingsfans, it's the perfect way to describe them.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Saying "who cares?" and "move on" isn't attacking. Borderline thread crapping, maybe , but not attacking.

and honestly - telling people they are "crying" about things and that a discussion is "worthless" and that Joe is being "arrogant" aren't attacking?

 

[Chaplin]

and honestly - telling people they are "crying" about things and that a discussion is "worthless" and that Joe is being "arrogant" aren't attacking?

Please, if you want to turn this into something personal, step up to the plate. I was merely making an observation. Personally, I don't care what you do, but outright calling someone a baby is an attack in my book. I know, I've been guilty of it in the past myself.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Please, if you want to turn this into something personal, step up to the plate. I was merely making an observation. Personally, I don't care what you do, but outright calling someone a baby is an attack in my book. I know, I've been guilty of it in the past myself.

Wow - I have no need nor desire to turn this into something personal Chap - hostile much? I just thought initially it was funny that someone who has been notorious lately(and really for as long as I can remember) for being hostile was calling someone out as such. Relax dude - I ain't stepping up to some silly internet "plate" - whatever that means.

Man, people are touchy here.