Rumor: Phx is considering offering Gordon max deal (4 years, $58 million)

[devilalum]

The absolute lack of conversation between Nash and the Suns is fascinating. I had sort of assumed that they had an agreement that the Suns would get their other FA's in line and then Nash would look at the improved lineup and see if he wanted to stay. I think Nash would take some less money and stay in Phoenix if we adde say a Gordon and Beasley.

But drafting Marshall and then courting Dragic makes me wonder. Dragic is just plain not coming here if Nash is in the picture.

Dragic/Marshall/Telfair
Gordon/Redd
Dudley/Warrick
Frye/Morris
Gortat/Lopez

Interesting younger lineup. It has scoring punch and some D. I would watch.

Why do they bring back the corpse of Michael Redd?

 

[Cheesebeef]

He did. Just what you are describing is what he ended up doing mostly. Especially early on when he tried he sucked.

His few successes came when he did what he did, not what the Suns wanted him to do ideologically. That said, he continued to make progress, but never with the Suns became proficient in what we wanted him to do. So we both are correct. The Suns tried to get him to and he spent some significant time trying to run the Suns offense, but even as he slightly improved, other areas was where he found his success, and so more and more he played the Dragic way instead. By the end, he definitely was playing mostly the Dragic way.

But again, what he did on the court, doesn't mean he couldn't be a help on the practice court and in study sessions. I'm sure he knows what we want and in theory could help Marshall there.

Finally, the more I think about it, the more it doesn't matter, since I believe Marshall fits our system far better naturally than what Dragic ever did.

i guess my question to the above is this: do we even have a "system" anymore?

 

[CardsFan88]

i guess my question to the above is this: do we even have a "system" anymore?

To borrow a phrase from Cards land.

It depends on whether Marshall is who we (Suns FO) thought he was. (sort of...more below)

I'll tell you this, since Nash has been here, no other PG for the Suns has had similar mindset and up court traits as Marshall has.

But again, seeing how this (fast break) aspect dropped off the last couple of years DRASTICALLY, imo because of who was around Nash (and who wasn't), our system might be gone not just because of Nash, but because it had already been half gone with defections before Nash.

If you don't have the talent to catch and finish the up court pass, then Marshall like Nash the last few years, won't contribute many fast break points either.

Very good question.

Marshall needs a finisher, or three. So far we got zero. At various times we had Marion, Amare, Johnson, and Richardson. So I could see a Gordon as one. He'd be better than Richardson at it. Richardson was pretty good at it. Not great. But could get it done. Though Marion was the key for this. So I'd rather have someone more akin to a young Marion in fast break potential.

Marion was the catalyst. He was the one who drew the attention, because if he didn't, Nash would burn them with a pass to him. As soon as they tried to compensate, it opened things up for everyone else on the fast break, and we had some good options and Nash to recognize and deliver. So it would be a lot better currently with a Gordon. But to get back imo to where we were, we need a guy with the fast break potential of Marion, and obviously for Marshall to be able to capitalize on it.

Getting a finisher would probably be the best help Marshall could get for the upcoming season. Gordon would help on this, but I don't see a Marion type fast breaker out there for us to sign. Though I haven't been looking.

 

[Mainstreet]

i guess my question to the above is this: do we even have a "system" anymore?

Alvin Gentry is as close to a system the Suns have and he was not given a contract extension.

 

[CardsFan88]

Alvin Gentry is as close to a system the Suns have and he was not given a contract extension.

I feel the question was more geared towards the notion that we don't have the players to run the system, and thus asking the question, do we have a system if we don't have the players to run it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I feel the question was more geared towards the notion that we don't have the players to run the system, and thus asking the question, do we have a system if we don't have the players to run it.

it's that and the fact that we haven't even really run a "system" since Amare left... and even then, the system was much different than the SSOL system.

 

[Gaddabout]

it's that and the fact that we haven't even really run a "system" since Amare left... and even then, the system was much different than the SSOL system.

That's my thinking. The system has been Nash. There hasn't been a lot of ball movement, none of the passing around the perimeter. It's been Nash running around the floor looking for a scoring opportunity or running the same screen-and-roll the Suns have been featuring as their primary half-court offense for 24 years.

 

[Folster]

Whoa!!!

https://twitter.com/#!/Chris_Broussard

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard Eric Gordon and the Phoenix Suns agree to a Maximum Offer sheet worth $58 million over 4 years, sources said.

 

[TJ]

According to Broussard, we just offered Gordon the max contract

Let's see what NO does...


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[TJ]

Broussard also says Gordon wants PHX and not NO


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[Cheesebeef]

a) NO will match it.

b) if they don't, Detroit Pistondom here we come!

seriously, signing a chronically injured tweener to a MAX deal seems just like the stupidity I expected from this team.

 

[CardsFan88]

Interesting, but agree that NO will match it. Even then he's a complimentary piece, not a guy you build around.

Would allow us to fast break more though.

 

[Mainstreet]

I wonder if Phoenix did something different like front load or back load the offer.

Here is the azcentral link:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...-suns-commitment-eric-gordon-offer-sheet.html

 

[Folster]

He's the guy Babby and Co will use to "try" to lure other stars here.

 

[Folster]

I wonder if Phoenix did something different like front load or back load the offer.

Here is the azcentral link:

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/sun...-suns-commitment-eric-gordon-offer-sheet.html

I think a max is max money to start and max increases, so I don't think they can front or back load it.

 

[Folster]

Well that was short lived.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA The New Orleans Hornets will match the 4-year, $58 million offer sheet Eric Gordon agreed to sign with Phoenix, league source tells Y!

Sounds like NOLA wants a sign and trade. We can't afford to give them a single asset.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Well that was short lived.

lol.

 

[elindholm]

Sounds like NOLA wants a sign and trade. We can't afford to give them a single asset.

I thought they wanted to keep him? I'm confused. If the Suns engineer a sign-and-trade in order to (a) give up an asset and (b) pay Gordon even more money, that would be ... well, um ... I can't find a polite word for it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I thought they wanted to keep him? I'm confused. If the Suns engineer a sign-and-trade in order to (a) give up an asset and (b) pay Gordon even more money, that would be ... well, um ... I can't find a polite word for it.

if we pay this guy the Max AND give up future draft picks, I'm going to... not be surprised.

 

[TJ]

I thought they wanted to keep him? I'm confused. If the Suns engineer a sign-and-trade in order to (a) give up an asset and (b) pay Gordon even more money, that would be ... well, um ... I can't find a polite word for it.

Idiotic? Unless they want to take some bad contracts off our hands like Childress

In all seriousness, we have nothing of value to give them.

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[Folster]

More tweets...

https://twitter.com/#!/sam_amick

Sam Amick ‏@sam_amick Source with knowledge of New Orleans' strategy says the team still plans to match despite his comments about wanting to be in Phoenix.

https://twitter.com/AlexKennedyNBA/status/220346888958918657Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA
New Orleans can match Phoenix's offer sheet, but the Hornets don't want Eric Gordon back if he wants out. They'll look at sign-and-trade.

 

[Folster]

I thought they wanted to keep him? I'm confused. If the Suns engineer a sign-and-trade in order to (a) give up an asset and (b) pay Gordon even more money, that would be ... well, um ... I can't find a polite word for it.

From what is being reported,they want to keep him, but not against his wishes. Regardless they don't want to lose him for nothing, so they'll tell us they'll match unless we send something their way. Sounds similar to the JJ scenario.

 

[Mainstreet]

From what is being reported,they want to keep him, but not against his wishes. Regardless they don't want to lose him for nothing, so they'll tell us they'll match unless we send something their way. Sounds similar to the JJ scenario.

Let's send them Lopez, Childress and Warrick.

 

[Cheesebeef]

From what is being reported,they want to keep him, but not against his wishes. Regardless they don't want to lose him for nothing, so they'll tell us they'll match unless we send something their way. Sounds similar to the JJ scenario.

seriously, if we trade away first round picks and let's say a Dudley, I'm gonna laugh hysterically.

 

[Folster]

seriously, if we trade away first round picks and let's say a Dudley, I'm gonna laugh hysterically.

Seriously, we can't afford to give up a single asset, especially picks.

I can see the front office sending Marshall to New Orleans and then signing Dragic. Babby just needs to tell New Orleans to match or let him go an that we aren't giving them jack squat.