Rumor: Phx is considering offering Gordon max deal (4 years, $58 million)

[Phrazbit]

Dreadful signing. In an instant I've lost all hope in the Babby regime. This freakin better have been a ploy knowing that NO would match and the Suns could say "we tried". If we actually get him, or worse yet, TRADE for him, it will be one of the worst moves in franchise history.

A guy who cant stay healthy, makes very little impact on TEAM success when he is healthy. Good at scoring and nothing else... disgusting.

Are you ready for 30 wins per year and picking between 7th and 11th over and over again!?!? It will be just like the last few years only with an even duller team and none of that "slim shot of playoff hope in april", we will be out of it by the all-star break every year.

 

[Phrazbit]

Uuuung... I cant even make a "At least we aren't the Mavericks" joke... the Mavs actually won a title before their front screwed the pooch.

 

[mojorizen7]

Uh oh...did i miss something while at work tnite?

 

[Chaplin]

A guy who cant stay healthy, makes very little impact on TEAM success when he is healthy. Good at scoring and nothing else... disgusting.

Simply not true.

 

[JerkFace]

Not that I would do it but I am curious. Does anyone know if a just drafted rookie can be included in a sign and trade (ie Marshall)?

 

[JCSunsfan]

3 way sign and trade. Lin to NO. Gordon to Phx. Nash to NYK.

Could do the same with Toronto. Calderon, a Tornoto 1st and a Phx 2nd to NO, Gordon to Phx, Nash to Toronto.

 

[Phrazbit]

Simply not true.

... which part? He clearly cant stay healthy. His teams average about 25 wins per year (this is a young star?), his only strength is scoring, he is a shockingly bad rebounder and his assist to TO ratio stinks. I've heard his fluffers on this board claim he is an above average defender but this is the first I've heard of it. I've heard he is a WILLING defender (which is more than you can say for some players) but that does not mean good, and I certainly dont think anyone would claim his defense is a major strength.

Forget that, I just looked up his defensive on-court/off-court stats and in every year of his career his teams have been better defensively with him on the bench. Not a good sign.

 

[Evil Ash]

... which part? He clearly cant stay healthy. His teams average about 25 wins per year (this is a young star?), his only strength is scoring, he is a shockingly bad rebounder and his assist to TO ratio stinks. I've heard his fluffers on this board claim he is an above average defender but this is the first I've heard of it. I've heard he is a WILLING defender (which is more than you can say for some players) but that does not mean good, and I certainly dont think anyone would claim his defense is a major strength.

He's a good player that has been on some god awful teams. The pre-Griffin Clippers were terrible.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Not that I would do it but I am curious. Does anyone know if a just drafted rookie can be included in a sign and trade (ie Marshall)?

Sure can. I could see NO biting on that too bc Marshall would be a better fit with Rivers and the Brow.

Not a better player, just a better balance

 

[Phrazbit]

He's a good player that has been on some god awful teams. The pre-Griffin Clippers were terrible.

But he was still on those teams! My point was he is not some budding star. If he is one of you're best guys you'd be lucky to win 30 games.

 

[JCSunsfan]

A guy who cant stay healthy, makes very little impact on TEAM success when he is healthy. Good at scoring and nothing else... disgusting.

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Not true. The second best FA on the market. Plays both offense and defense. Can create his own shot.

 

[JerkFace]

Sure can. I could see NO biting on that too bc Marshall would be a better fit with Rivers and the Brow.

Not a better player, just a better balance

I could see that going down as well, especially if we sign Dragic.

 

[Phrazbit]

Not true. The second best FA on the market. Plays both offense and defense. Can create his own shot.

This is an awful free agent market. After Williams there is nothing resembling a star. (And I'd say Hibbert is miles more attractive than Gordon). Going for the "best" QB on the market is how the Cards got stuck with Kevin Kolb.

And since when has Gordon suddenly become a good defender? This claim is totally unfounded. Like I just said, every year of his career his teams have statistically played better defensively with him off the court.

 

[Evil Ash]

But he was still on those teams! My point was he is not some budding star. If he is one of you're best guys you'd be lucky to win 30 games.

Depends if you can keep him healthy or not. When healthy he is a good player that can be someone that can greatly help a team. Its just a matter of his health.

The one thing the Suns have going for them as a selling point is their miracle working training staff. They got 3 healthy, very productive years out of Grant Hill which nobody thought was possible

 

[Nash2Amare]

Anyone familiar with the new CBA?

I was reading earlier on a Hornets forum that New Orleans could not do a S&T with the team who the player signs the offer sheet with.

 

[Evil Ash]

Anyone familiar with the new CBA?

I was reading earlier on a Hornets forum that New Orleans could not do a S&T with the team who the player signs the offer sheet with.

Once he signs a tender he is locked into whereever he goes to (the team that signs him to the sheet or the original team matching it).

However since the NBA's offseason is such a mess that hasn't happened yet. We've made a non-binding verbal agreement with him that when we can officially sign him that we will sign him. Between now and the 11th the Suns, Gordon, and the Hornets can agree to a sign-and-trade so that he can go where he wants to go. Make sense? Its a weird thing to explain

 

[Phrazbit]

Depends if you can keep him healthy or not. When healthy he is a good player that can be someone that can greatly help a team. Its just a matter of his health.

The one thing the Suns have going for them as a selling point is their miracle working training staff. They got 3 healthy, very productive years out of Grant Hill which nobody thought was possible

The Suns didnt toss Grant Hill a max contract though. This is a HUGE risk. And to be honest, the Suns franchise would probably be better off if Gordon stayed just as banged up as always so they got better draft slots. A healthy Gordon does not makes us a playoff contender. This team needs to truly rebuild, not sink big chunks of money into psuedo-stars who have never sniffed any measure of success.

Seriously, what the end game with a healthy Gordon? 35-40 wins at best? Battling it out for more 13th slots in the lotto? Is the goal mediocrity or is there any semblance of a long term plan? This is the move of a team with no direction and is just trying to throw money at their problems.

 

[Nash2Amare]

Once he signs a tender he is locked into whereever he goes to (the team that signs him to the sheet or the original team matching it).

However since the NBA's offseason is such a mess that hasn't happened yet. We've made a non-binding verbal agreement with him that when we can officially sign him that we will sign him. Between now and the 11th the Suns, Gordon, and the Hornets can agree to a sign-and-trade so that he can go where he wants to go. Make sense? Its a weird thing to explain

So between now and the 11th we can negotiate a trade?

Then from the 11th and the 3 days after (period in which NO has to match), a S&T isn't an option? Or is a S&T always an option no matter what?

 

[Evil Ash]

So between now and the 11th we can negotiate a trade?

Then from the 11th and the 3 days after (period in which NO has to match), a S&T isn't an option? Or is a S&T always an option no matter what?

Between now and the 11th a trade can be agreed upon but once he signs the tender offer, a S&T is no longer an option. He'd go here or NO.

 

[JCSunsfan]

NOLA sportscaster says once NOH think about it, they will not match but go for s&t.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gaGinqC3rU&feature=player_embedded

 

[slinslin]

S&T?

wouldn't give up anything of value for Gordon. Like I said I think OJ Mayo is the better player when given the same chance as the #1 option on bad teams like Gordon was.

If we did a sign and trade I would want to dump Frye or Childress on them along with Gortat maybe.

 

[Magnus]

Don't know if this is news for you guys, but I've just ready it in my local media, that the Suns did offer Gordon the max deal, and that he said he would rather go to phoneix, that he likes the organisation and what not.

Here's is basically the same quote on english:

Hornets restricted free agent Eric Gordon has agreed to sign a maximum contract with the Suns, league sources confirmed.
New Orleans has the right to match the offer sheet, but Gordon made it known that he'd rather play for Phoenix than the team that traded for him in the Chris Paul deal last season.
"After visiting the Suns, the impression the organization made on me was incredible," Gordon said in a statement released to the Arizona Republic and ESPN. "(Owner Robert) Sarver, (general manager) Lon Babby, (assistant general manager) Lance Blanks, the front office staff and Coach (Alvin) Gentry run a first-class organization, and I strongly feel they are the right franchise for me. Phoenix is just where my heart is now."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...eric-gordon-max-deal/index.html#ixzz1zdoBVuOt ˙​

Also, the article I've read said that the Suns were negotiating with Michale Beasley and Goran Dragic.
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[Griffin]

This move would make some sense if the Suns were still planning on re-signing Nash. Nash said the team must improve, and bringing in Gordon and perhaps Beasley + Marshall as backup PG would definitely address that. But if Nash goes elsewhere, then why do this? Why tie up such a big chunk of your cap on a single player with a history of injuries when you aren't going to be competing for anything anytime soon?

As for NO, I would not match this offer. I don't think Rivers and Gordon will work, especially if Gordon doesn't want to stay. Knowing that, if I were the Suns, I would not agree to any S&T unless it involves them taking back Childress. I would not give them Marshall. I might give them a lotto-protected pick, but that's just for unloading Childress. NO is not in a position to make demands.

Btw, if Gordon does indeed come here, the Suns can create more cap space by amnestying Childress, so they could have enough to make a good offer to Nash if they wanted to. But I'm starting to feel that neither party is all that interested in continuing that relationship anymore. Just don't trade him to the Lakers.

 

[carey]

Nash surely isn't going to wait 10 days for this to play out before he makes a decision. Maybe if in the next day or two we work out a S&T deal with New Orleans, but that's highly doubtful. I think you just have to accept that we're moving on and they want Gordon to be one of the building blocks for our future.

 

[slinslin]

If we amnesty Childress and sign and trade Gortat and Frye for Gordon we should still have around 30M$ caproom to go for Beasley, Mayo, Dragic, Hill, Randolph, Brook Lopez etc while resigning Robin.