Rumor: Phx is considering offering Gordon max deal (4 years, $58 million)

[Cheesebeef]

Seriously, we can't afford to give up a single asset, especially picks.

I can see the front office sending Marshall to New Orleans and then signing Dragic. Babby just needs to tell New Orleans to match or let him go an that we aren't giving them jack squat.

that would be an intriguing back-court, but at what cost?

 

[SunsTzu]

seriously, if we trade away first round picks and let's say a Dudley, I'm gonna laugh hysterically.

I'm likely to throw in the towel(unless the Suns luck into an elite prospect I like). I've been willing to wait the last couple years and give the Suns FO a chance once it was time for full rebuild but I'm against even signing Gordon outright to a max deal.

The ONLY positive in all of this is the Suns are still able to attract top free agents when they have the opportunity despite the nearly decade long list of blunders.

 

[SunsTzu]

Seriously, we can't afford to give up a single asset, especially picks.

I can see the front office sending Marshall to New Orleans and then signing Dragic. Babby just needs to tell New Orleans to match or let him go an that we aren't giving them jack squat.

My money is on Gortat + future protected 1st.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I'm likely to throw in the towel(unless the Suns luck into an elite prospect I like). I've been willing to wait the last couple years and give the Suns FO a chance once it was time for full rebuild but I'm against even signing Gordon outright to a max deal.

The ONLY positive in all of this is the Suns are still able to attract top free agents when they have the opportunity despite the nearly decade long list of blunders.

i think you're last point is debatable. A) I think Gordon could be using us for leverage to get a MAX deal that he doesn't deserve and B) we're wayyyyyy overpaying for damaged goods who's not exactly a top FA in my opinion.

 

[Folster]

My money is on Gortat + future protected 1st.

Ugh. That'll make me sick.

 

[AsUdUdE]

I think when you consider how emphatic Gordon sounded, the LAST thing you want if you are NO is an AllStar who is not happy about being there.. Considering they just drafted perhaps the most "hyped" and polarizing SG in this years draft as well, one has to believe that it did not make Gordon happy either..

In the end, NO can make a choice to match, but it is a HUGE risk.. Kindof reminds me of the JJ deal a few years back, when we all expected the Suns would ofcourse match, but JJ flat told the organization my heart is in ATL, DO NOT MATCH...

 

[SunsTzu]

i think you're last point is debatable. A) I think Gordon could be using us for leverage to get a MAX deal that he doesn't deserve and B) we're wayyyyyy overpaying for damaged goods who's not exactly a top FA in my opinion.

I'm pretty sure Gordon could have gotten a max deal from pretty much any team that lost out on Deron Williams. I just didn't want the Suns to be the ones that gave it to him.

 

[Folster]

Gordon is a B+ player. I could stomach giving the max because we need something here to attract other players and the max is nowhere near as bad as it used to be. But there is no way we can justify giving him a max deal and sending assets to NOLA.

 

[SunsTzu]

In the end, NO can make a choice to match, but it is a HUGE risk.. Kindof reminds me of the JJ deal a few years back, when we all expected the Suns would ofcourse match, but JJ flat told the organization my heart is in ATL, DO NOT MATCH...

The Suns were looking for an excuse not to pay JJ, the Hornets currently don't have anyone making Marion or Nash money and they don't have anyone in line for a max next year like Amare.

 

[Mainstreet]

Every team needs a face of the franchise. I guess the Suns want Gordon to be it.

 

[elindholm]

I'm thinking Lopez for something like $12M/3yr and a protected first. We got frustrated with Lopez, but he is an asset; yet at the same time, the Suns can live without him.

 

[Folster]

I'm thinking Lopez for something like $12M/3yr and a protected first. We got frustrated with Lopez, but he is an asset; yet at the same time, the Suns can live without him.

Protected like ****ing Fort Knox. One of those lotto protected for eternity picks that turns into a 2nd rounder after so many years.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Sometimes you have to let other teams save you from yourself. Let Gordon be, imo. Let him figure it out elsewhere. I'd rather sit on cap space for a year than to max someone out for the sake of maxing them out.

Next stop, please....

 

[Covert Rain]

My money is on Gortat + future protected 1st.

I hate to say it but your probably not far off. Guys....think about the fact this was suppose to be the year the Suns signed one or two of the best players in FA and ride off into the sunset.

If we end up with this guy while giving up a unprotected 1st rounder and either Duds or Gortat......this franchise seriously might solidify itself as the dumbest FO in the NBA.

 

[Gee!]

I miss Jerry Colangelo..

 

[Folster]

Maxes have changed.

Gordon: 4 years 58 million
Stoudemire: 5 years 100 million

 

[tobiazz]

i think you're last point is debatable. A) I think Gordon could be using us for leverage to get a MAX deal that he doesn't deserve and B) we're wayyyyyy overpaying for damaged goods who's not exactly a top FA in my opinion.

On A, I don't think so. Why burn his bridge with NO? Unless you mean to get the Suns to S&T for a Bird-maxed Gordon.

"After visiting the Suns, the impression the organization made on me was incredible," Gordon said in a prepared statement. "Mr. Sarver, Lon Babby, Lance Blanks, the front office staff and Coach Gentry run a first-class organization, and I strongly feel they are the right franchise for me. Phoenix is just where my heart is now." Arizona Republic

On B, that sounds about right. But what would be better, sign scrubs to one-year deals to hit the 90% salary floor?

 

[SunsTzu]

On B, that sounds about right. But what would be better, sign scrubs to one-year deals to hit the 90% salary floor?

I would say so, then use the cap space to facilitate trades for other teams looking to move salary while poaching draft picks.

 

[tobiazz]

I would say so, then use the cap space to facilitate trades for other teams looking to move salary while poaching draft picks.

So do not resign any of our FAs and look for picks for taking on bad contracts. I'm all for that because I believe some aspect of the new CBA is supposed to make that strategy useless in the future. Might as well benefit from that technique one last time.

 

[Cheesebeef]

On A, I don't think so. Why burn his bridge with NO? Unless you mean to get the Suns to S&T for a Bird-maxed Gordon.



On B, that sounds about right. But what would be better, sign scrubs to one-year deals to hit the 90% salary floor?

Uh... Yes. Have u seen the Detroit pistons lately? If not, don't worry. You will soon for the suns

 

[elindholm]

Maxes have changed.

Gordon: 4 years 58 million
Stoudemire: 5 years 100 million

They haven't changed that much. Stoudemire's deal is a super-max because it was on top of an earlier maximum contract. Same with Bryant, Nowitzki, Joe Johnson, etc.

 

[Bufalay]

They haven't changed that much. Stoudemire's deal is a super-max because it was on top of an earlier maximum contract. Same with Bryant, Nowitzki, Joe Johnson, etc.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2180248

This article indicates that Stoudemire's extension was worth 5 years 73 million which is 14.6 million/year whereas the 4 years 58 million offered to Gordon averages out to 14.5 million/year.

 

[elindholm]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2180248

Boy, what a different time for the franchise that was. It feels like forever ago.

 

[Joe Mama]

seriously, if we trade away first round picks and let's say a Dudley, I'm gonna laugh hysterically.

I'll cry hysterically. I would call their bluff. I don't want him at that cost anyhow and if we give up anything on top of that... well that's about what I expect from them.


This sucks.

Joe

 

[tobiazz]

Food for thought: If the Suns were to sign Gordon and retain Nash and even add some guy like Ilyasova, they'll be a poor man's Nets.