Rumor: Steve Breaston and Kansas City

[ASUCHRIS]

5-11 seems pretty familiar.

Ha, zing! While I appreciate AZ's unfounded optimism, all of this feels very familiar. Prove me wrong Graves, prove me wrong!

 

[AsUdUdE]

Somers tweeted pump the brakes Chief fans nothing is done yet....

Come one Graves.. Get this one done

 

[conraddobler]

If there are any PHD candidates in the world studying irrational, unwarranted, completely over the top optimistic thinking they need to visit this board.

Only here could someone complaining about one of the worst franchises in NFL history be labled a party pooper or downer or darksider.

I love the Cardinals but come on man, they act in the most bizzare, incompetent fashion IMO of any franchise ever, worse than the Cubs, worse than even the Clippers and their winning percentage, the ultimate measure of anything is horrid.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

your right... pocketing 30 million dollars and giving us one of the most unwatchable seasons in nfl history gave us nothing to complain about.

then, letting another key member of the Super Bowl fly the coop is nothing to complain about either.



kind of a mighty large assumption considering this team almost never replaces it's key FA with another FA... unless he's washed up and completely over the hill... or he's an undrafted FA... or he's a FA who most believe is just camp fodder (Lennon).

Seriously, the only time i remember this team actually replacing a key loss was Rhodes. That worked out well... you'd think they learn from it, but I have zero confidence that will be the case.

Yeah but that was last year with Rhodes Cheese. And the Cards have a plan this year too, and so far are carrying it out.

Listen obviously I am not happy about 5-11. And I believe the team made a HUGE mistake in handling the QB siituation and retaining Davis as DC. It seems both of those issues are on their way to being rectified? So why wouldnt 2011 be more like 08, and 09 then 2010 if you fix those two spots?

Couldnt have been ALL Warner, could it? I guess we'll see this year and I will be firmly on the dark side if we A) dont get Kolb at thsi point and are stuck with Bulger or worse or B) we have another 6 win or less season.

I just see the team HAS changed its stripes. When before do they reup guys part of the "core" like Dockett, Wilson, and Fitz like they have? SOC would have let Wiz go into 2010 as a lame duck, but they extended him. SOC dont make that proactive trade for Rhodes. Mikey B being more proactive, team employees being reimbursed, our Top 5 stadium, and players actually saying they want to come here.

My point is things ARE different then the Mac and McGinnis years. Once they get rid of Graves then EVERYTHING will be different. And I believe the time will come for that too. Or at least I hope so.

So I just believe last year was a hiccup, rather then a return to the dark years as so many here are inclined to believe.

Am I an optmist because of that? Or maybe Im just not basing EVERYTHING off of the poor year in 2010?

Ye have little faith

 

[Arizona's Finest]

If there are any PHD candidates in the world studying irrational, unwarranted, completely over the top optimistic thinking they need to visit this board.

Only here could someone complaining about one of the worst franchises in NFL history be labled a party pooper or downer or darksider.

I love the Cardinals but come on man, they act in the most bizzare, incompetent fashion IMO of any franchise ever, worse than the Cubs, worse than even the Clippers and their winning percentage, the ultimate measure of anything is horrid.

I agree with you up to 2007. Believe me I do.

But as I listed above there are many reason to think things are in fact different then then.

Just a newsflash for everybody. The Cardinals are never going to retain every FA, sign every big name guy, hit on every draft pick, and be everything to everyone. NO team does that.

But you know what? Winning makes all those little transactions that we hold so dear as evidence as incompetence become barely perceptible. The Packers arent big players in FA. Are they shrewd or cheap? Pittsburgh let non core guys walk every year? Are they the Cubs or the Cardinals? Of course not. Because they win. That model works. Breason isnt a guy the Steelers would have resigned either.

And we DID win in 2008 and 2009. And Christ everyone was on board with the change in the organization and deifying Wiz and the team. My point is one poor season doesnt mean we are still the clippers or cubs like you listed.

Again should we suck again this year and Fitz leaves (still very much inplay) I will agree we might never be able to get over that hump.

But all the people going crazy are victims of receny bias. Just give it a chance to see if 2010 was the outlier, or the previous 3 were. Thats all im saying.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yeah but that was last year with Rhodes Cheese.

but last year was also the year we replaced Dansby with Lennon, a rookie and depended on Hayes who anyone who's ever had a back injury (or common sense) KNEW he shouldn't be counted on.

And the Cards have a plan this year too, and so far are carrying it out.

they have a plan for QB and we have no idea what the plan is anywhere else or if there even is one.

Listen obviously I am not happy about 5-11. And I believe the team made a HUGE mistake in handling the QB siituation and retaining Davis as DC. It seem sboth of those issues are on their way to being rectifyed? So why wouldnt 2011 be more like 08, and 09 then 2010 if you fix those two spots?

in 2008 we let Davis go and had to reach for an OL to get into his spot, passing on the best running back in the game. In 2009, we had good secondary depth and then for no reason whatsoever, cut Rod Hood, meaning Mike Adams had to play a lot and suck while doing it. This team was built on DG players and pretty much NONE of those guys are left and this FO has shown next to ZERO ability to fill those holes.

Couldnt have been ALL Warner, could it? I guess we'll see this year and I will be firmly on the dark side if we A) dont get Kolb at thsi point and are stuck with Bulger or worse or B) we have another 6 win or less season.

I just see the team HAs changed its stripes. When before do they reup guys part of the "core" like Dockett, Wilson, and Fitz like they have.

they locked up Boldin in 2004, they extended Warner back in the day before he became a FA, they extended horrible players like Ray Thompson and LJ Shelton...

SOC would have let Wiz go into 2010 as a lame duck, but they extedned him.

sorry, you don't get kudos for the most obvious move to make of all time. they never were in a position to extend a previous coach because they all had ZERO success. that's not a sign of anything to me other than we're not the most completely ******** team of all time.

SOC dont make that proactive trade for Rhodes.

this is really the ONLY example of this team being shrewdly pro-active over the course of the last few years IMO. I mean... this team forced Warner, the guy who took us to the Super Bowl to field offers from a division rival before they finally ponied up for him. THAT is the VERY DEFINITION OF SOC.

My point is things ARE different then the Mac and McGinnis years. Once they get rid of Graves then EVERYTHING will be different.

this will never happen and until it does, it looks like SOC to me.

Am I an optmist because of that? Or maybe Im just not basing EVERYTHING off of the poor year in 2010?

again... making Warner go to a rival, losing Big and being forced to draft Levi, losing Dansby replacing him with Lennon, etc. etc. None of this is happening in a vaccum. we're watching the systematic devolution of our only successful team which was LOADED with young playmakers.

 

[AsUdUdE]

ok.. looks like it is official, Breaston is gone...maybe not to KC but just not coming back to AZ

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2011/07/27/breaston-expected-to-move-on/

 

[DemsMyBoys]

If Cards do bring in Kolb, Fitz extends before game one of season. Thats right I am calling it. See if I can call my shot when everyone was doom and gloom three years in a row, Wilson, Dockett, now Fitz?

I think so too. And I said it before the lock-out: Fitz likes being a big fish in this particular pond.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

ok.. looks like it is official, Breaston is gone...maybe not to KC but just not coming back to AZ

http://blog.azcardinals.com/2011/07/27/breaston-expected-to-move-on/

Another horrible move by the Cardinals.

Our WR position will be like last years, and possibly this year's QB situation.

It will go from Roberts, to Doucet, to Williams, to "some guy", and get worse, and worse, and worse.

2 years ago this organization had the best WR core in the league, and now it is one of the worst.

Unreal. Just completely un-real.

I now know what Graves, and company are working on. They are working on screwing up everything they can, because you HAVE to be putting in an effort to be this inept.

 

[Chopper0080]

So the depth chart looks like this...

1-Fitzgerald
2-???
3-Andre Roberts
4-???
5-Stephen Williams/Early Doucet/Max Komar

We can still find a number 2 and 4 WR through FA. Pretty deep class for complimentry WR's. Not real worried about this. Our offensive line on the other hand...

 

[Shane]

Another horrible move by the Cardinals.

Our WR position will be like last years, and possibly this year's QB situation.

It will go from Roberts, to Doucet, to Williams, to "some guy", and get worse, and worse, and worse.

2 years ago this organization had the best WR core in the league, and now it is one of the worst.

Unreal. Just completely un-real.

I now know what Graves, and company are working on. They are working on screwing up everything they can, because you HAVE to be putting in an effort to be this inept.

Any corps with Fitz on it can't be considered one ot the wost in football. Not even possible. Sorry. But just checking the dramatics around here.

 

[AsUdUdE]

So the depth chart looks like this...

1-Fitzgerald
2-???
3-Andre Roberts
4-???
5-Stephen Williams/Early Doucet/Max Komar

We can still find a number 2 and 4 WR through FA. Pretty deep class for complimentry WR's. Not real worried about this. Our offensive line on the other hand...

Braylon Edwards
Mark Clayton
Randy Moss

In that order

 

[Arizona's Finest]

but last year was also the year we replaced Dansby with Lennon, a rookie and depended on Hayes who anyone who's ever had a back injury (or common sense) KNEW he shouldn't be counted on.



they have a plan for QB and we have no idea what the plan is anywhere else or if there even is one.



in 2008 we let Davis go and had to reach for an OL to get into his spot, passing on the best running back in the game. In 2009, we had good secondary depth and then for no reason whatsoever, cut Rod Hood, meaning Mike Adams had to play a lot and suck while doing it. This team was built on DG players and pretty much NONE of those guys are left and this FO has shown next to ZERO ability to fill those holes.



they locked up Boldin in 2004, they extended Warner back in the day before he became a FA, they extended horrible players like Ray Thompson and LJ Shelton...



sorry, you don't get kudos for the most obvious move to make of all time. they never were in a position to extend a previous coach because they all had ZERO success. that's not a sign of anything to me other than we're not the most completely ******** team of all time.



this is really the ONLY example of this team being shrewdly pro-active over the course of the last few years IMO. I mean... this team forced Warner, the guy who took us to the Super Bowl to field offers from a division rival before they finally ponied up for him. THAT is the VERY DEFINITION OF SOC.



this will never happen and until it does, it looks like SOC to me.



again... making Warner go to a rival, losing Big and being forced to draft Levi, losing Dansby replacing him with Lennon, etc. etc. None of this is happening in a vaccum. we're watching the systematic devolution of our only successful team which was LOADED with young playmakers.

Fine bud. You are entitled to not be optmistic and think this is the Clippers and Cubs of the NFL.

Personally I think last year was an anamoly and one we wont see again as long as Wiz is HC. I am excited to see how we do with a young QB I like, and I continue to believe in Wiz.

Obviously I am in the minority. Cardinals are my passion and I am happy with the perception of the team nationally and the overall success of the past 4 years, even throwing in the clunker that was 2010.

I am not blind. I think the Suns are in a spiral and will tell you as much.

But not the Cards. I have too much faith in Wiz for that.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Everything will be ok. They'll bring in Hines Ward next year. Actually, losing Breaston doesn't bother me all that much. There are a bunch of WR's out there. I would like a speed guy like James Jones. Of course , we're more likely to end up with Kevin Kasper. Kevin Kolb to Kevin Kasper, nice.

 

[CtCardinals78]

Fine bud. You are entitled to not be optmistic and think this is the Clippers and Cubs of the NFL.

Personally I think last year was an anamoly and one we wont see again as long as Wiz is HC. I am excited to see how we do with a young QB I like, and I continue to believe in Wiz.

Obviously I am in the minority. Cardinals are my passion and I am happy with the perception of the team nationally and the overall success of the past 4 years, even throwing in the clunker that was 2010.

I am not blind. I think the Suns are in a spiral and will tell you as much.

But not the Cards. I have too much faith in Wiz for that.

I'm just wondering why you have so much faith in Wiz? I'm. It asking to be a jerk, but because he was who I wanted even before Green was fired but now I can't wait for this guy to get canned. Many of the bad decisions I attribute to Wiz. Maybe I am looking at it wrong.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Any corps with Fitz on it can't be considered one ot the wost in football. Not even possible. Sorry. But just checking the dramatics around here.

Fitzgerald, and a bunch extremely inconsistent WR's.

Fitz is a great WR and all, but he cannot do it alone.

The only thing dramatic about the topic is the drop in talent in the Cardinals WR's core over a 3 year period.

EDIT: Crow to eat #3 if this is true -----> http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/f4/per-jureki-reason-the-cards-have-been-so-slow-168505.html

 

[WarnerHOF]

So the depth chart looks like this...

1-Fitzgerald
2-???
3-Andre Roberts
4-???
5-Stephen Williams/Early Doucet/Max Komar

We can still find a number 2 and 4 WR through FA. Pretty deep class for complimentry WR's. Not real worried about this. Our offensive line on the other hand...

lol do you expect the Cards to find a complimentary WR of equal caliber if they won't even sign Breaston???

 

[Bert]

Cmon Rugby you gotta admit there's a few folks here who aren't exactly clinging firmly to the handle.

And the funny thing is most of the moves ya'll are freaking out about haven't even happened yet.

I think what Shane and some of the rest of us are saying is lets just see how the next few days play out before we completely and totally write off the whole season.

This is all discouraging to me too, but some folks on this board need to take a deep breath and walk away from the keyboard for a few minutes to get some sunshine or something!

 

[Tyler]

Jurecki said he is gone for sure.

 

[desertdawg]

Urban tweeting 5 years, 9.5 mill guaranteed for Breaston in KC.

 

[eastcoastSUN]

Beanie just tweeted: Congrats to my good brotha @SBreaston15 hate to see him leave tho! #goodfella

Looks like another loss for the Cards. Good locker room guy too. <sigh>

 

[Shzm13]

Wtf thats not even that much money. Graves needs to get off his ass and pay him!!

 

[AzStevenCal]

Yeah right, like he knows anything about the situation...

LOL. Well, I thought it was funny even if no one else did.

Steve

 

[AzStevenCal]

Wtf thats not even that much money. Graves needs to get off his ass and pay him!!

I don't think we know how much money is involved, just the guaranteed portion and even that's unconfirmed.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

lol do you expect the Cards to find a complimentary WR of equal caliber if they won't even sign Breaston???

seriously.

they'll get james jones... who's never put up stats like Breaston and has a serious case of the drops at the worst time imagineable and call it a rousing success... until he gets on the field and becomes Skillet Hands part deux.

the grass ain't always greener folks.