Ryan Williams

[kerouac9]

Wiiliams is a 'black eye' for Keim if he could have foreseen his injury. Coming out of College, Williams was ranked as one of the top two backs and had a late first, early second grade in many publications.

Ryan Williams suffered a massive knee injury in high school and struggled with a hamstring injury his redshirt sophomore season in college. You know this, because I bring it up every time you assert without evidence that Ryan Williams' injury history and future was completely unforseeable.

If Steve Keim is just as good as "many publications", then people should stop complimenting his performance. If he's above average, shouldn't he be outperforming the projections of many publications?

Ryan Williams was the second back taken in a poor draft class for running backs, in a league where running back position has been increasingly devalued. Is he even the sixth best back in the draft class that included Mark Ingram, Shane Vereen, Mikel Leshoure, Demarco Murray, Stevan Ridley, Roy Helu, Kendall Hunter, Bilal Powell, and Jaquizz Rogers?

 

[PDXChris]

Ryan Williams suffered a massive knee injury in high school and struggled with a hamstring injury his redshirt sophomore season in college. You know this, because I bring it up every time you assert without evidence that Ryan Williams' injury history and future was completely unforseeable.

If Steve Keim is just as good as "many publications", then people should stop complimenting his performance. If he's above average, shouldn't he be outperforming the projections of many publications?

Ryan Williams was the second back taken in a poor draft class for running backs, in a league where running back position has been increasingly devalued. Is he even the sixth best back in the draft class that included Mark Ingram, Shane Vereen, Mikel Leshoure, Demarco Murray, Stevan Ridley, Roy Helu, Kendall Hunter, Bilal Powell, and Jaquizz Rogers?

Honest question, were the Bills foolish for taking Willis McGahee in the first round of the draft after destroying his knee like many of us had never seen before just three months earlier?

To me that injury was more of a red flag than anything Williams went through prior to eing drafted.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I think that Williams is going to get every chance to show that he can be good. I don't think the Dallas game particularly matters--I think as long as he shows up in one or two preseason games and can illustrate that he's continuing to learn the playbook and the offense, he'll make the team.

I've said this from day one. There is very little cap savings from cutting Williams this year. So it was obvious that they would keep Williams through training camp and give him a chance to prove he deserves a spot on the roster.

At a minimum he has to prove he is worth keeping as a #4 RB. That is hard to do if you are not out there competing. As I've said before, if he is not out there for the Chargers game he is done. Even then that might not be enough to save him. It's obvious that this new front office isn't afraid to troll the waiver wire. So if they see someone who is released that they like better than Williams he may be walking before the final cut down.

 

[BigRedRage]

Honest question, were the Bills foolish for taking Willis McGahee in the first round of the draft after destroying his knee like many of us had never seen before just three months earlier?

To me that injury was more of a red flag than anything Williams went through prior to eing drafted.

Which is a good point. Many teams passed on Adrian Peterson due to his previous injury.

You cant always pass on a guy just because he has been hurt. IT has bit us a few times (RW, Swope) but it can also go really well.

If we are going to blame keim for RW we also have to praise him for the home run picks we get as well.

 

[kerouac9]

Honest question, were the Bills foolish for taking Willis McGahee in the first round of the draft after destroying his knee like many of us had never seen before just three months earlier?

To me that injury was more of a red flag than anything Williams went through prior to eing drafted.

I don't necessarily think so. It was a different situation because the Chiefs already had Priest Holmes, who had combined for more than 2200 all-purpose yards in 2002 and would rush for more than 1400 yards in 2003. They were drafting 27th overall in a fairly talent-poor draft class.

The situations were different. Willis McGahee was special that entire 2002 season for a very good Miami (FL) team, then suffered an injury that would require a redshirt rookie season.

Ryan Williams had a special first season with the Hokies (1600+ yards, 5.6 YPC, 22 total TDs), but he was very, very ordinary his second season (477 yards, 4.3 YPC, 10 total TDs).

Add in that it's difficult to evaluate Hokie running backs because of their unconventional offense (even by college football standards)--Lee Suggs and Kevin Jones might be the best pro Hokie runners of the last 25 years--and there were enough red flags on Williams to lower his grade substantially.

Especially when you further consider that Williams likely declared for the draft following a poor season because he was afraid to (for Gurnsey--didn't want to) compete with David Wilson for reps.

 

[BigRedRage]

Available RBS:
Michael Turner
Willis Mcgahee
Brandon JAcobs
Cedric Benson
Ryan Grant
Kevin Smith
Tim Hightower
Beanie Wells
Javon Ringer



and more. Id take several easily as a 4th guy or RW replacement if he cant play. Hightower specifically. He would make a great #3 or #4.

 

[Russ Smith]

I disagreed with K9 at the time but looking back it's hard to argue now.

Yes Frank Gore and McGahee came back from early injury histories to have good careers, but the reality is those are outliers.

Generally speaking if you use a 2nd round pick on a kid who has a recent history of those injuries, you're taking a risk, and if it doesn't pay off it's fair to criticize that risk.

And I was just fine with the pick at the time, I liked Williams in college, but in the NFL it just hasn't worked and it's clear to me he'll never be healthy.

I hope I'm not similarly wrong about Tryann, it still surprises me how happy I am with that pick, it goes against my nature completely.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Available RBS:
Michael Turner
Willis Mcgahee
Brandon JAcobs
Cedric Benson
Ryan Grant
Kevin Smith
Tim Hightower
Beanie Wells
Javon Ringer

and more. Id take several easily as a 4th guy or RW replacement if he cant play. Hightower specifically. He would make a great #3 or #4.

None of those guys have anything left. You would be better off bringing back Emmitt Smith.

The Cards will troll the waiver wire after the first set of cuts if they are not happy with their current RB situation.

 

[Mulli]

Which is a good point. Many teams passed on Adrian Peterson due to his previous injury.

You cant always pass on a guy just because he has been hurt. IT has bit us a few times (RW, Swope) but it can also go really well.

If we are going to blame keim for RW we also have to praise him for the home run picks we get as well.

Link?

 

[GuernseyCard]

Ryan Williams suffered a massive knee injury in high school and struggled with a hamstring injury his redshirt sophomore season in college. You know this, because I bring it up every time you assert without evidence that Ryan Williams' injury history and future was completely unforseeable.

If Steve Keim is just as good as "many publications", then people should stop complimenting his performance. If he's above average, shouldn't he be outperforming the projections of many publications?

Ryan Williams was the second back taken in a poor draft class for running backs, in a league where running back position has been increasingly devalued. Is he even the sixth best back in the draft class that included Mark Ingram, Shane Vereen, Mikel Leshoure, Demarco Murray, Stevan Ridley, Roy Helu, Kendall Hunter, Bilal Powell, and Jaquizz Rogers?

It is just silly on your part to suggest that his patella injury, one unrelated to his high school mishap and hamstring pull in College could somehow be foreseen. There are no shortage of NFL draftees, I suggest, who've been under the knife, worn a cast, etc... and have had fruitful careers.

Will he move forward... be the best of his class?

Don't know... doesn't look good at this point, but, your mad search to attribute blame when it's the vagaries of a crash sport that has prevented him from demonstrating his abilities is a bit much.

I get it. You think Keim is overrated, yada, yada.

 

[Mulli]

And that brings us back to who is responsible for Whiz thinking RW didn't fumble in college?

 

[BigRedRage]

None of those guys have anything left. You would be better off bringing back Emmitt Smith.

The Cards will troll the waiver wire after the first set of cuts if they are not happy with their current RB situation.

I would say they have plenty left vs a guy who hasnt played for two years. Alphonso smith is a waiver wire type RB and we dont need another one of him on the roster. Several of those guys can block plenty well and have better vision than Smith.

 

[BigRedRage]

Link?

He apparently stood on a table and wouldnt get down until we drafted boldin.


We have drafted pretty well in comparison to the rest of the teams the last 8 years or so. Some worse than others, some better than others.

 

[Mulli]

He apparently stood on a table and wouldnt get down until we drafted boldin.


We have drafted pretty well in comparison to the rest of the teams the last 8 years or so. Some worse than others, some better than others.

Boldin? 10 years ago? Was he in the bathroom when they took Levi Brown?

 

[MadCardDisease]

I would say they have plenty left vs a guy who hasnt played for two years. Alphonso smith is a waiver wire type RB and we dont need another one of him on the roster. Several of those guys can block plenty well and have better vision than Smith.

But you are fogetting that Ryan Williams has already been paid.

So the Cardinals are going to give him every shot possible before they give another has been RB additional money.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Which is a good point. Many teams passed on Adrian Peterson due to his previous injury.

I don't really believe this to be the case. "Many" teams drafted the number ONE prospect at their respective position while filling a need when they passed on AP. we were the only ones to reach for a lesser OT prospect, while passing on AP for whatever stupid reason we did so.

 

[BigRedRage]

But you are fogetting that Ryan Williams has already been paid.

So the Cardinals are going to give him every shot possible before they give another has been RB additional money.

I could care less about his pay and I understand he will get a chance and if he can play in SD maybe he is worth keeping.

I am simply stating that if he cant get his act together, some of those guys can still play and are ready to go and at this point would take the vet minimum.

Pay is the last thing on my mind. we have 2 rookies and two RBs with injury history. I dont want to watch another game with two tiny backs who cant handle the NFL attempting to run the rock. those games where we had only powell and LSH were excruciating.

 

[D-Dogg]

Boldin? 10 years ago? Was he in the bathroom when they took Levi Brown?

That was a Grimm pick, pun intended. He was touting him for a while before the draft. Grimm got thrown that bone, then showed himself as a crappy coach but number one Boss fan.

 

[Mulli]

That was a Grimm pick, pun intended. He was touting him for a while before the draft. Grimm got thrown that bone, then showed himself as a crappy coach but number one Boss fan.

Same old Cardinals. "Levi? Not me, that was Grimm. Skelton? Nope, Whiz was in charge there. Q? Oooh, ya, that was a good pick. All Steve Keim. Cody Brown? Not sure who made the call there. Kevin Kolb? Larry Fitzgerald told us he would be good."

 

[kerouac9]

But you are fogetting that Ryan Williams has already been paid.

So the Cardinals are going to give him every shot possible before they give another has been RB additional money.

The other thing is that Ryan Williams isn't a vested veteran, so his salary isn't guaranteed if he's on the roster Week 1.

If we sign a veteran RB, it'll be after Week 1, because then the salary won't be completely guaranteed. I'd worry about depth/youth, but as long as Ellington and Kulabafi are on the roster, we have plenty of young guys.

 

[MadCardDisease]

This thread is about Ryan Williams. Lets try to keep it on track.

 

[D-Dogg]

Same old Cardinals. "Levi? Not me, that was Grimm. Skelton? Nope, Whiz was in charge there. Q? Oooh, ya, that was a good pick. All Steve Keim. Cody Brown? Not sure who made the call there. Kevin Kolb? Larry Fitzgerald told us he would be good."

Nope, just sayin' that Levi lies at the feet of Grimm.

 

[MadCardDisease]

The other thing is that Ryan Williams isn't a vested veteran, so his salary isn't guaranteed if he's on the roster Week 1.

If we sign a veteran RB, it'll be after Week 1, because then the salary won't be completely guaranteed. I'd worry about depth/youth, but as long as Ellington and Kulabafi are on the roster, we have plenty of young guys.

Very good point.

And who is Kulabafi?

 

[MadCardDisease]

Nope, just sayin' that Levi lies at the feet of Grimm.

See the post above yours.

 

[D-Dogg]

See the post above yours.

Levi blocks for Ryan Williams!!!