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Many on the board were spot on about acquiring Palmer, no reason to believe we'll be wrong about Bradford.......


-At this point I expect the Cards to make dumb decisions..

-With Wilson being cut today, if this happens..... I'm not getting season tickets for the first time since 1993.
The last two seasons have been brutal, and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay more than 2 grand to watch Carson Palmer throw victory-killing picks.


-Palmer is a little bit better than Kolb and has the physical attributes for the offense. Its just that post-injury Carson Palmer has been horrible.

-you must not have watched a single Raiders game. my roommate is a Raiders fan, thus I was subjected to the atrocity that was the Raiders every Sunday and Palmer's stats say NOTHING about how he played. He put up lots of yardage and meager TDs in complete garbage time and just had awful turnovers and threw KILLER pick sixes at key times of every game they actually had a shot in.


-Exactly. I guess everyone here is going for the usual name recognition and a glance at the stats. If you actually have seen him play much post-injury, cheese's assessment is right on the money. He's a win-killer more than he is a winner. I have no desire to watch Carson Palmer blows games for us. I've had enough of that crap the last two year.

-If you put the measuring stick at "above-average QB play", then Palmer is probably unacceptable. If you place the measuring stick at "what we've had to endure the last three seasons as Cardinals fans"? Palmer is incredibly desirable. I'd like to have a chance for a quarterback to lose the game for us in the 4th quarter, instead of us being completely out of the game if the opponent goes up 10-0 following their second possession.

-If we can get Palmer for a bargain, he's worth the gamble. If we have to pay him like he's a good player, I think we'd be better off just accepting that we suck at the position for another year than tying our hands cap wise to a guy like him.

-Precisely. He's a Paper Tiger. Buyer beware when a team is considering starting Terrell Pryor over him.

-Signing Palmer might be the equivalent of putting a finger in the dike to stop the disaster/leak. Can't help but remember his attitude in the "trade me or I retire" diva rant with the Bengals. Threw his team under the bus.


-Really.....is that our 3 QB's.....Palmer-Hoyer-Stanton? If so we're in deeper doo-doo than last year...which was eyeball level.


-Yeah I don't follow the Raiders that closely. Just seemed like everytime I watched the local news they were saying any chance the Raiders had to come back ended on this Carson Palmer INT. I was actually surprised he only had 14 last year, seemed like more.

-Apologies if its already been stated, but Arians loves a vertical passing game and Palmer currently has the noodliest of noodle arms in the entire league. I cant picture him and his 8 yard fluttered passes as something Bruce would have an interest in.
 

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Many on the board were spot on about acquiring Palmer, no reason to believe we'll be wrong about Bradford.......


-At this point I expect the Cards to make dumb decisions..

-With Wilson being cut today, if this happens..... I'm not getting season tickets for the first time since 1993.
The last two seasons have been brutal, and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay more than 2 grand to watch Carson Palmer throw victory-killing picks.


-Palmer is a little bit better than Kolb and has the physical attributes for the offense. Its just that post-injury Carson Palmer has been horrible.

-you must not have watched a single Raiders game. my roommate is a Raiders fan, thus I was subjected to the atrocity that was the Raiders every Sunday and Palmer's stats say NOTHING about how he played. He put up lots of yardage and meager TDs in complete garbage time and just had awful turnovers and threw KILLER pick sixes at key times of every game they actually had a shot in.


-Exactly. I guess everyone here is going for the usual name recognition and a glance at the stats. If you actually have seen him play much post-injury, cheese's assessment is right on the money. He's a win-killer more than he is a winner. I have no desire to watch Carson Palmer blows games for us. I've had enough of that crap the last two year.

-If you put the measuring stick at "above-average QB play", then Palmer is probably unacceptable. If you place the measuring stick at "what we've had to endure the last three seasons as Cardinals fans"? Palmer is incredibly desirable. I'd like to have a chance for a quarterback to lose the game for us in the 4th quarter, instead of us being completely out of the game if the opponent goes up 10-0 following their second possession.

-If we can get Palmer for a bargain, he's worth the gamble. If we have to pay him like he's a good player, I think we'd be better off just accepting that we suck at the position for another year than tying our hands cap wise to a guy like him.

-Precisely. He's a Paper Tiger. Buyer beware when a team is considering starting Terrell Pryor over him.

-Signing Palmer might be the equivalent of putting a finger in the dike to stop the disaster/leak. Can't help but remember his attitude in the "trade me or I retire" diva rant with the Bengals. Threw his team under the bus.


-Really.....is that our 3 QB's.....Palmer-Hoyer-Stanton? If so we're in deeper doo-doo than last year...which was eyeball level.


-Yeah I don't follow the Raiders that closely. Just seemed like everytime I watched the local news they were saying any chance the Raiders had to come back ended on this Carson Palmer INT. I was actually surprised he only had 14 last year, seemed like more.

-Apologies if its already been stated, but Arians loves a vertical passing game and Palmer currently has the noodliest of noodle arms in the entire league. I cant picture him and his 8 yard fluttered passes as something Bruce would have an interest in.

You actually scoured the site to find all those quotes? Wow.
 

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Man, I hope I am so wrong about this -- but this conversation is starting to sound like the 90's and the early 2000's... a HOPE to have a BELIEF that this guy or that guy is going to come in and win a bunch of games for us. I don't know a lot about Wilkes but if this all pans out, I'll go out and shoot my own crow to eat.
 

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Man, I hope I am so wrong about this -- but this conversation is starting to sound like the 90's and the early 2000's... a HOPE to have a BELIEF that this guy or that guy is going to come in and win a bunch of games for us. I don't know a lot about Wilkes but if this all pans out, I'll go out and shoot my own crow to eat.
Don’t worry about crow my friend - Sam can hit one with a football - I’m trying to think of the last time cardinals had a number 1 overall draft choice at qb? Never? Feels much different than 90’s to me. Fans need to chill out and count our blessings. Sam is what 2 years after surgery- no new damage last year - I mean there are a lot of injured QBs in the NFL - but only a handful with his skill sets - now folks saying Glennon is crap - no he ain’t - he is a damn fine qb on bad Tampa and bear teams. Unrealistic expectations - better yet resentments are premeditated expectations- our qb situation is better than Keim deserves - only drafting Logan Thomas since Keim been GM.
 

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Don’t worry about crow my friend - Sam can hit one with a football - I’m trying to think of the last time cardinals had a number 1 overall draft choice at qb? Never? Feels much different than 90’s to me. Fans need to chill out and count our blessings. Sam is what 2 years after surgery- no new damage last year - I mean there are a lot of injured QBs in the NFL - but only a handful with his skill sets - now folks saying Glennon is crap - no he ain’t - he is a damn fine qb on bad Tampa and bear teams. Unrealistic expectations - better yet resentments are premeditated expectations- our qb situation is better than Keim deserves - only drafting Logan Thomas since Keim been GM.

I will close my eyes and hope you're right.
 

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It took less then 5mins. They were all from one thread. Kudos on the great search function in the site!!

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Trying to see if one of those is mine. I don't even remember how I reacted to the CP3 signing.
 

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Final numbers on the deal. Read it three times

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Many on the board were spot on about acquiring Palmer, no reason to believe we'll be wrong about Bradford.......


-At this point I expect the Cards to make dumb decisions..

-With Wilson being cut today, if this happens..... I'm not getting season tickets for the first time since 1993.
The last two seasons have been brutal, and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay more than 2 grand to watch Carson Palmer throw victory-killing picks.


-Palmer is a little bit better than Kolb and has the physical attributes for the offense. Its just that post-injury Carson Palmer has been horrible.

-you must not have watched a single Raiders game. my roommate is a Raiders fan, thus I was subjected to the atrocity that was the Raiders every Sunday and Palmer's stats say NOTHING about how he played. He put up lots of yardage and meager TDs in complete garbage time and just had awful turnovers and threw KILLER pick sixes at key times of every game they actually had a shot in.


-Exactly. I guess everyone here is going for the usual name recognition and a glance at the stats. If you actually have seen him play much post-injury, cheese's assessment is right on the money. He's a win-killer more than he is a winner. I have no desire to watch Carson Palmer blows games for us. I've had enough of that crap the last two year.

-If you put the measuring stick at "above-average QB play", then Palmer is probably unacceptable. If you place the measuring stick at "what we've had to endure the last three seasons as Cardinals fans"? Palmer is incredibly desirable. I'd like to have a chance for a quarterback to lose the game for us in the 4th quarter, instead of us being completely out of the game if the opponent goes up 10-0 following their second possession.

-If we can get Palmer for a bargain, he's worth the gamble. If we have to pay him like he's a good player, I think we'd be better off just accepting that we suck at the position for another year than tying our hands cap wise to a guy like him.

-Precisely. He's a Paper Tiger. Buyer beware when a team is considering starting Terrell Pryor over him.

-Signing Palmer might be the equivalent of putting a finger in the dike to stop the disaster/leak. Can't help but remember his attitude in the "trade me or I retire" diva rant with the Bengals. Threw his team under the bus.


-Really.....is that our 3 QB's.....Palmer-Hoyer-Stanton? If so we're in deeper doo-doo than last year...which was eyeball level.


-Yeah I don't follow the Raiders that closely. Just seemed like everytime I watched the local news they were saying any chance the Raiders had to come back ended on this Carson Palmer INT. I was actually surprised he only had 14 last year, seemed like more.

-Apologies if its already been stated, but Arians loves a vertical passing game and Palmer currently has the noodliest of noodle arms in the entire league. I cant picture him and his 8 yard fluttered passes as something Bruce would have an interest in.

Props on the time you put in for this.
 

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so this first year he gets his 10mil signing bonus and 5mil in guaranteed salary,...plus an additional 5mil in salary broken down into per game pay...so any missed games this season cost him 312.5k... if he never plays a regular season game he only costs us 15mil.

next season 10mil is guaranteed at the start of the league year, then 7.5mil salary plus an additional 2.5 mil in per game checks.

and an extra mil each year we go to the super bowl.


that is a very friendly deal for the team.... I guess we all just need to hope Bradford turns it in to a 2 year 42mil contract.
 

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The deal could possibly be worth $40 million? If he hits all the incentives I believe that's a pretty good deal considering what's being thrown around right now for QB's who are up for an extension.
 

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The deal could possibly be worth $40 million? If he hits all the incentives I believe that's a pretty good deal considering what's being thrown around right now for QB's who are up for an extension.

Yeah it's very reasonable. The talking heads were way too quick to jump all over the deal and laugh.

I'm fine with the way it's structured. Extremely team friendly. He balls out in 2018, we get to keep him on our terms in 2019. If not, bye Felicia.
 

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If I am reading that correct, it only counts $10 million against the cap this year. $5 million salary and half of the signing bonus since its a two year deal?
 

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The deal could possibly be worth $40 million? If he hits all the incentives I believe that's a pretty good deal considering what's being thrown around right now for QB's who are up for an extension.
yeah its a solid deal and if he gets knocked out for the season in week 4 thats 312k a week we dont have to pay him
 

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If I am reading that correct, it only counts $10 million against the cap this year. $5 million salary and half of the signing bonus since its a two year deal?

depends how they write up the signing bonus...could all toll this year which would make sense... $5mil salary is guaranteed this season plus an additional $5mil as weekly checks
 

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Looks like insane correct and before cutting Veldheer or reworking Drone we have $17 to spend.
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Trying to see if one of those is mine. I don't even remember how I reacted to the CP3 signing.
"Precisely. He's a Paper Tiger. Buyer beware when a team is considering starting Terrell Pryor over him", this one was from you
 

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So does the per game $312k hit next years cap?
 

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depends how they write up the signing bonus...could all toll this year which would make sense...

No, the option to choose when you would post an amount of a signing bonus on your salary cap was removed when the old CBA expired. In the new one there is a rule that the signing bonus must be prorated over the life of the contract, with a maximum of five years. In this example that means the cap hit from Bradford’s signing bonus will be five million each year.

Like others have wrote in this thread, his cap hit this year will be 10.6 million distributed from his base salary, half of his signing bonus and a roster bonus.
 

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I can’t believe I’m one of the positive guys about this move. Single year, reasonable dollars, upside if stays healthy, bridge QB. Not sure what anyone was thinking. I think this is fine.

Hey look at it this way, we are no longer the only nfl team without a QB. And if he stays healthy he can help out Fitz a lot because he’s not a long ball guy.
I've always liked Bradford. My only concern is his wheels. If they're OK, I'm reasonably happy.
 
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