Scola trade to Pacers Imminent

[Errntknght]

I love this deal! Yeah, this is the way to build a basketball team. Set your style of play and then start gathering guys that fit it. I think other teams are going to hate playing the Suns this next year - we're already at or near the point we can run 48 minutes night after night. We'll have to see but there are some makings of a solid defense aboard, too.

I mentioned this a while back but it would not totally shock me if Beasley found it exciting to play with this crew. I don't think he'll ever be a star but he might just have some positive value if he gets his butt up and down the floor apace.

 

[Phrazbit]

When Beasley was with the Wolves they played at the fasted pace in the league. His problem is not excitement or tempo, he just sucks ass. If Frye returns I dont think Beasley will sniff the rotation.

 

[jagu]

When Beasley was with the Wolves they played at the fasted pace in the league. His problem is not excitement or tempo, he just sucks ass. If Frye returns I dont think Beasley will sniff the rotation.

Totally agree and that's the reason he should get more playing time.

Wiggins.

 

[Joe Mama]

When Beasley was with the Wolves they played at the fasted pace in the league. His problem is not excitement or tempo, he just sucks ass. If Frye returns I dont think Beasley will sniff the rotation.

don't know about the Timberwolves, but totally agree. I honestly don't remember a Phoenix Suns player I disliked more while he was still with the team. That changed for about five minutes when he was the only one to go after Ryan Hollins when Hollins put Dragic in a headlock. They are just worse when he is on the court.

Joe

 

[Arizona's Finest]

LOL at the analysis on this trade. This is the bottom line.

Suns got rid a of a guy who is useless in rebuilding and owuld have cost us 3-5 win easy. Got 2 manageable contracts of guys who likely will be back of the rotation players. and they got that beautiful beautiful first round pick in 2014. Thats now 3 likely in a STACKED draft.

After seeing what I have from McD now, I all off a sudden am a lot more optimistic about Len's prospects. Our GM is nails.

And this might not be the end of 2014 1st round picks with Gortat, Butler, and Dragic all potentially still trade bait. And its not just about picking 3 or 4 or 5 players in next years draft. Its the acquiring of assets.

Like say flipping 2-3 of those bad boys for a disgruntled Kevin Love next year. Keeping the Suns pick this could be 2014 team

Bledsoe
Goodwin
Wiggins
Love
Len


Ummmm sign me up.....McDonough FTW

 

[elindholm]

Like say flipping 2-3 of those bad boys for a disgruntled Kevin Love next year.

How would you prevent the other 28 teams in the league from contacting the Timberwolves to make better offers?

 

[Arizona's Finest]

How would you prevent the other 28 teams in the league from contacting the Timberwolves to make better offers?

Its more the concept of using those picks to get a premium player rather the specifically the Twolves. And in the NBA 1st round picks, especially in next years draft, are some of the best currency you can have and highly coveted.

So yeah the fact we have 3 of them and lots of young tradeable contracts is a very very good thing.

 

[devilalum]

How would you prevent the other 28 teams in the league from contacting the Timberwolves to make better offers?

How many teams have the number of picks the Suns have? I bet they get another pick for Gortat.

 

[AzStevenCal]

How many teams have the number of picks the Suns have? I bet they get another pick for Gortat.

I know Boston has a lot of picks but I don't remember the exact details.

Steve

 

[carey]

Only Utah has more picks than the Suns in the next 2 years if they all convey.

 

[carey]

I think Minnesota had a decent off season. I also think short of winning the championship in the next two years KLove is going to bolt for somewhere sunny. Our main rival will be the Lakers in 2015 so we need to position ourselves with a better future by then.

 

[Gaddabout]

Danny Granger hasn't played well since 2010 or so and is always injured, thank godness he is not in the trade.

Also Gerald Green had a DRTG of 109 (Nets Drgt was 109) with the Nets and 103 with the Pacers (Pacers Drtg was 99.X). So I am guessing your numbers are wrong.

And to add to all that Green shot 36% from the field last season and 31% from 3. Green had a PER of 15+ just one time in his career and that was in the lockout season with New Jersey and he played only 31 games.

I guess your post must have been sarcastic. I should have caught up on that when you brought up marketability as a plus when acquiring a scrub.

1) Not being sarcastic

2) Like I said, I used to love Granger's game. If healthy, he's capable of being a valuable player. I'm OK with him not being part of this trade.

3) Green's minutes were cut by 7 minutes a game last year. He had a 15+ per with the Nets when he was getting 25 minutes a game, a career high. His career true shooting percentage is about 54 percent. He had a 13 and a 12 per as a reserve in his first two years with the Celtics.

4) He's obviously not starting material because of his ball handling issues and he doesn't rebound like his size and ability suggests he should, but he is better than his reputation, and does some good things as a team player. He's capable of scoring off the bench.

5) For $3.5 million I think he's an OK value. Not a superstar, but a guy the Suns will want to play and watch to see if his game is raised in this environment with no expectations. It's a safe bet to take on while ditching Scola and acquiring a pick.

 

[elindholm]

How many teams have the number of picks the Suns have? I bet they get another pick for Gortat.

Given how easily the Suns are acquiring late first-round picks, I think it's safe to say that they don't have so much value that two or three of them could be the centerpiece in a trade package for an All-Star. Now if the Suns were to pony up their own 2014 pick, that would be a different story, but we know that's not happening.

 

[HooverDam]

Given how easily the Suns are acquiring late first-round picks, I think it's safe to say that they don't have so much value that two or three of them could be the centerpiece in a trade package for an All-Star. Now if the Suns were to pony up their own 2014 pick, that would be a different story, but we know that's not happening.

One only needs to look as far as Boston quickly rebuilding its team around the Big 3 (2/3rds of which we acquired in one off season) for a model that McD is certainly looking at. Are a bunch of mid to late 1st rounders going to net you Kevin Love? Nope. But keep acquiring assets, picks and young players, and that puts you in a position to be ready when something comes up.

I hate the Len pick and would've gone w/ McLemore, but McD has been earning my trust with everything else, so Im holding out hope Im wrong on that one.

 

[elindholm]

One only needs to look as far as Boston quickly rebuilding its team around the Big 3 (2/3rds of which we acquired in one off season) for a model that McD is certainly looking at.

Everyone looks at that model; it's hardly rocket science. I mean heck, at least 80% of this board was asking for that strategy before McDonough was even brought in, and -- as much as we like to flatter ourselves -- we really aren't more insightful about how to build an NBA roster than most of the league's GMs. If everyone here has thought of it, there's a pretty good chance other people have thought of it too.

The Celtics parted with two major assets in order to bring Garnett and Allen in: Al Jefferson, and the #5 pick. So far, the Suns are acquiring very low-level assets. Yes, that's better than nothing. But ten dimes doesn't get you a dollar in this league -- in fact it often doesn't even get you a fifty-cent piece.

The Suns' only quality asset is their own 2014 pick. Next in line is probably Dragic. Then maybe Len, if he proves healthy enough to play in the NBA. A bunch of deep bench guys who would struggle to crack the rotation on a title contender really don't move the needle.

But keep acquiring assets, picks and young players, and that puts you in a position to be ready when something comes up.

Only if your assets have matured in the meantime. Right now, the Suns have a bunch of scratch tickets, one of which might end up being worth five times what they paid for it. Pardon me for containing my excitement.

 

[SunsTzu]

Only Utah has more picks than the Suns in the next 2 years if they all convey.

This isn't true the only additional pick the Jazz might get beyond there own in '14 or '15 is the protected GSW '14 1st rounder. Cavs and Suns could both have 5 first rounders in the next 2 drafts but the Cavs have 2 additional 2nd rounders. Celtics and Bucks could also potentially have as many or more picks in the next 2 drafts but fewer 1st rounders assuming all convey.

 

[sunsfan88]

Boston already had a well established superstar in Paul Pierce.

 

[slinslin]

Why the f would we want to throw away our assets for Kevin Love? Kevin Love is a proven loser, stat stuffer with no impact, injury prone as hell and plays some of the worst D in the league.

Kevin Love is not a franchise player, never was a franchise player and never will be one.

Let the Lakers have him.

You would need a prime Olajuwon, Yao Ming, Dikembe Mutombo, Tim Duncan etc to compensate for Love's defense.

 

[ProdigalSun]

Why the f would we want to throw away our assets for Kevin Love? Kevin Love is a proven loser, stat stuffer with no impact, injury prone as hell and plays some of the worst D in the league.

Kevin Love is not a franchise player, never was a franchise player and never will be one.

Let the Lakers have him.

You would need a prime Olajuwon, Yao Ming, Dikembe Mutombo, Tim Duncan etc to compensate for Love's defense.

Im no fan of Love either

 

[slinslin]

Yes... going for Kevin Love turns us into the Minnesota Timberwolves, wonder how they have done building around Kevin Love.

The Kevin Love situation is in no way comparable to James Harden. Harden was a talented #3 option stuck behind two great players on a great team.

Kevin Love has been the main guy and is a proven loser in the NBA so far and also can't stay healthy or defend.

 

[JustWinBaby]

Yes... going for Kevin Love turns us into the Minnesota Timberwolves, wonder how they have done building around Kevin Love.

The Kevin Love situation is in no way comparable to James Harden. Harden was a talented #3 option stuck behind two great players on a great team.

Kevin Love has been the main guy and is a proven loser in the NBA so far and also can't stay healthy or defend.

Wow - I am on your side on this one

I totally agree. Most in this town think Love is the 2nd coming. I just don't see it. His supporters think the Minnesota struggles have nothing to do with Kevin Love's performance, I do.

I don't see him as (the guy) on a championship team.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Wow - I am on your side on this one

I totally agree. Most in this town think Love is the 2nd coming. I just don't see it. His supporters think the Minnesota struggles have nothing to do with Kevin Love's performance, I do.

I don't see him as (the guy) on a championship team.

I don't see him as "the guy" on a championship team either but that doesn't mean I wouldn't want him on the Suns. His injury history scares me more than anything else. He's not a superstar but healthy, he's not too far out of the top 20 IMO. I think he's good enough to be the second best player on a very good team. Considering that we have no one else to fill that role I'd have interest if the price and medical evaluation was right.

Steve

 

[Cheesebeef]

i don't understand how anyone can be upset about this deal.

another nice move by McDonough.

 

[slinslin]

I don't see him as "the guy" on a championship team either but that doesn't mean I wouldn't want him on the Suns. His injury history scares me more than anything else. He's not a superstar but healthy, he's not too far out of the top 20 IMO. I think he's good enough to be the second best player on a very good team. Considering that we have no one else to fill that role I'd have interest if the price and medical evaluation was right.

Steve

His defense is so bad you would have to find a DPOTY worthy center to compensate for him. Someone like Olajuwon, Mutombo, Duncan....

Kevin Love is not the player to try and acquire.

 

[AzStevenCal]

His defense is so bad you would have to find a DPOTY worthy center to compensate for him. Someone like Olajuwon, Mutombo, Duncan....

Kevin Love is not the player to try and acquire.

I have to admit I haven't watched all that much of him in the NBA. He was always a marginal defender but I didn't realize he was as bad as you say. I guess I'll have to watch him a little closer next time.

Steve