Season thread-the road to the playoffs

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IndyDback said:
From today's AZ Central:

VIEW FROM THE PRESS BOX
... Firing the manager won't make this bunch come alive

I couldn't have said it better myself.
That's a great point. So often, firing the Manager turns a team around immediately.

The Diamondbacks situation is beyond that. Communications are weak. Fundamentals are weak. Players don't know their roles. Confidence is shot. Players are not used effectively.

Firing the manager, indeed, won't make this bunch come alive. Replacing him with a Manager who has the experience to address each issue and motivate his team, coach by coach, player by player, will make the difference.

That's not Mark Grace. That's not Robin Yount. And it's certainly not Bob Brenly.
 

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I'm shocked that on azcentral.com's poll that only that 28% (out of 2159 votes) are favor that Brenly should get fired.....I know that doesnt carry much merit to it, but just fascinating nonetheless....

I think it has more to do with people realizing that all of the blame shouldn't be laid on the head of Brenly. I'm one of those people that believes in blaming the player when he screws up rather than the manager.

For example, Gonzo with regularity hasn't been able to bring in a runner in from 3rd with less than 2 out. Its not Brenly's fault, its Gonzo's. Blame the player for his bad play and not the guy next, behind, or in front of him.

I guess the reason people are hesitant is because they're overly concerned (including myself) that Mark Grace would succeed Brenly

From everything that I have heard, there is no way that this would happen. He would start off as a manager at the minor league level and then work his way up.

I'm starting to warm-up to your idea that Al Pedrique is the only viable candidate and deserves an opportunity despite of not having any Major League managerial experience

This I can't argue with. Give him a shot, its not like we're going anywhere.

The reason why I brought all that up is because the Dbacks should have Grace serve in the same capacity as Gibson, as a "bench coach" to mediate between the players and whichever manager they hire

In a way, I'm not totally opposed to this concept. I think that he would serve well in this position in the way you described it, but you forgot to mention bench coaches also have a greater purpose as being an assistant manager in helping with matters of game strategy. For that reason I would be unsure if he would be a great hire.

Thats why the loss of Bob Melvin hurt this team so much.
 

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Evil Ash said:
I think it has more to do with people realizing that all of the blame shouldn't be laid on the head of Brenly. I'm one of those people that believes in blaming the player when he screws up rather than the manager.

For example, Gonzo with regularity hasn't been able to bring in a runner in from 3rd with less than 2 out. Its not Brenly's fault, its Gonzo's. Blame the player for his bad play and not the guy next, behind, or in front of him.
I agree to a certain extent....I mentioned earlier in this thread about how everyone should be held accountable from the strict budget constraints (I'm still trying to figure out that the Dbacks didnt figure out about being able to generate an extra $99 Million in revenue with licensing tickets until after the off-season that would have prevented them from having to shed their payroll to around $85 mil) to veterans like Finley swinging at the 1st pitch when the opposing pitcher is struggling with his control.....

I fault Brenly though because it seems that these are happen repetitively...especially fundamental errors and I remember how Brenly and staff constantly claimed they emphasized the fundamentals all throughout Spring Training..... Then, everyone's favorite 'scape-goat last season was Dwayne Murphy, so they bring in Rick Schu and I honestly see no difference... I cant figure out why Brenly said in today's paper that they're in dire need of pitching (which I agree they are), but their offense has even been worse...... Also, they better walk Barry Bonds this series or else.... I can't figure out why Brenly insisted to pitch to Barry last week and that cost them dearly....Also, Brenly's improper abuse of the pitchers is another reason why he's somewhat to blame.....


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From everything that I have heard, there is no way that this would happen. He would start off as a manager at the minor league level and then work his way up.
Yeah, Grace is still emotionally attached to most of the team and that would be detrimental in what direction the Dbacks would take if he was hired now...I hope he didnt have a "secret handshake" with Dback management that it would be 1-yr in the booth and then be hired as manager next.....



Evil Ash said:
This I can't argue with. Give him a shot, its not like we're going anywhere.
Pedrique would be ideal since he already managed most of the players on the current roster and became familiar with the other prospects this past Spring Training.....Quite honestly, I dont think Jerry C. and Co. would hire anyone of high profile....One, they wouldnt want some manager who would demand a lucrative contract or total control of player personnel...... Also, if the Dbacks are indeed going in a complete youth movement, several "well seasoned" managers want to win now and wouldnt exhibit any patience..



Evil Ash said:
In a way, I'm not totally opposed to this concept. I think that he would serve well in this position in the way you described it, but you forgot to mention bench coaches also have a greater purpose as being an assistant manager in helping with matters of game strategy. For that reason I would be unsure if he would be a great hire.

Thats why the loss of Bob Melvin hurt this team so much.
I wonder though if Melvin received too much credit for being instrumental with the '01 team? His Mariners have a lot of talent, but have been underachievers since he was hired there..... I think Grace might have a solid grasp on game strategy, but unfortunately his on-aire persona seems to detract away from his credibility....
 

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Same crap, different game...Gonzo hits into an inning-ending DP, proceded by Bonds hitting a HR off Daigle.

Well, at least we're consistant!
 

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KingLouieLouie said:
I agree to a certain extent....I mentioned earlier in this thread about how everyone should be held accountable from the strict budget constraints (I'm still trying to figure out that the Dbacks didnt figure out about being able to generate an extra $99 Million in revenue with licensing tickets until after the off-season that would have prevented them from having to shed their payroll to around $85 mil) to veterans like Finley swinging at the 1st pitch when the opposing pitcher is struggling with his control.....

I fault Brenly though because it seems that these are happen repetitively...especially fundamental errors and I remember how Brenly and staff constantly claimed they emphasized the fundamentals all throughout Spring Training..... Then, everyone's favorite 'scape-goat last season was Dwayne Murphy, so they bring in Rick Schu and I honestly see no difference... I cant figure out why Brenly said in today's paper that they're in dire need of pitching (which I agree they are), but their offense has even been worse...... Also, they better walk Barry Bonds this series or else.... I can't figure out why Brenly insisted to pitch to Barry last week and that cost them dearly....Also, Brenly's improper abuse of the pitchers is another reason why he's somewhat to blame.....

I didn't say that Brenlyis completely excused from the mistakes he has made. I just blame him for the mistakes he has made (mistakes in strategy, misusing pitchers, etc.), not the ones that players have made. In those cases I blame the player(s).

I hope they don't walk Barry (even though he just homered) because to me that is playing/managing scared. If he beats you, he beats you. Just don't act like a bunch of cowards. For some reason people act like he's hitting a 1.000 but he has hit into outs before.


I wonder though if Melvin received too much credit for being instrumental with the '01 team? His Mariners have a lot of talent, but have been underachievers since he was hired there..... I think Grace might have a solid grasp on game strategy, but unfortunately his on-aire persona seems to detract away from his credibility....

Was Melvin given too much credit? Probably, but he is still deserving of credit. Just because he's not a good manager doesn't mean he's a bad bench coach. Besides the point the Mariners aren't a good team, they rely heavily on players that are past their primes.

A couple of years ago everything just went right for them
 

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Well, Choate is summoned from the BP to face Bonds with the bases loaded and 2-outs.....Bonds is 0-1 (1 BB) vs Choate so far this year....Hope this move pays off....

It did pay off in the end....

Choate vs. LHs has had mixed results...

35-AB
0-Runs
9-Hits
5-Doubles
0-Triples
0-HRs
1-HPBs
8-BBs
17-Ks
.257-BA
.409-OBP
.400-SLG
.809-OPS

What I liked about Choate there is that he attacked Bonds...Wasnt intimidated whatsoever...Once these pitchers learn to be the aggressor, then a lot will w/out a doubt change.......
 
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Well, Choate is summoned from the BP to face Bonds with the bases loaded and 2-outs.....Bonds is 0-1 (1 BB) vs Choate so far this year....Hope this move pays off....

It did ... with slow groundball to Choate. Still 4-1 Giants. Come on offense WAKE UP!!
 

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Nice throw by Bautista :rolleyes:

This is what aggrivates me about this team, thier problems aren't even consistent. One day the pitching is there but the offense isn't, the next the offense is there but the pitching isn't, and if the pitching and the offense are both there the defense isn't or the bullben blows it. :mad:

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I bet the Sidewinders would beat the Diamondbacks. Right now they stink!!!
 

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Let's have playoffs of our own, right now - just forfeit the Gnats games, save the aggravation of dealing with BaBo - let's have a round-robin tournament of Lancaster Jethawks, El Paso Diablos, Sidewinders, and DBacks. Winning team gets to keep BOB as home field for the rest of the season. :D
 

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Am I really watching this? Koplove comes in (yet again), hits the first batter, then throws one into the screen to allow the tying run....this season is becoming surreal!!
 

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IndyDback said:
Am I really watching this? Koplove comes in (yet again), hits the first batter, then throws one into the screen to allow the tying run....this season is becoming surreal!!
He is tired man, I can tell by his arm angle
 

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Am I really watching this? Koplove comes in (yet again), hits the first batter, then throws one into the screen to allow the tying run....this season is becoming surreal!!

We are finding new and exciting ways to lose games.

Koplove can't get anybody out ... unreal
 

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If anyone watched Jerry C. during the broadcast tonight, please realize that his comments are pretty much a "smoke-screen".... It's more apparent than ever with the low morale of the team, that Brenly will terminated, but will be announced as a resignation....

I know many wont blame Brenly if the Dbacks do indeed lose yet again tonight because it's "Koplove's fault".....No, its more evident that he's forcing his pitches because of him being over-extended.....This is such a farce.....
 

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KingLouieLouie said:
If anyone watched Jerry C. during the broadcast tonight, please realize that his comments are pretty much a "smoke-screen".... It's more apparent than ever with the low morale of the team, that Brenly will terminated, but will be announced as a resignation....

Possible but its tough to tell. I mean would the firing of Brenly do anything? Personally I doubt it

I know many wont blame Brenly if the Dbacks do indeed lose yet again tonight because it's "Koplove's fault".....No, its more evident that he's forcing his pitches because of him being over-extended.....This is such a farce.....

Oh goodie a shot at me. :rolleyes:

Its both the fault of Brenly for his over-use of Koplove and its the fault of Koplove for not telling Brenly that he can't pitch today because he is over-worked. If he tells the coaches that he's tired, he's not pitching ... plain and simple.
 

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WHAT?? Back-to-back home runs by the D'Backs?? Wow....Hairston & Fins come through for us!!
 

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Evil Ash said:
Possible but its tough to tell. I mean would the firing of Brenly do anything? Personally I doubt it
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Firing Brenly would put the onus on the players and also whoever replaces him might be able to relate with the younger players better..especially with the pitchers....


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Oh goodie a shot at me. :rolleyes:

Its both the fault of Brenly for his over-use of Koplove and its the fault of Koplove for not telling Brenly that he can't pitch today because he is over-worked. If he tells the coaches that he's tired, he's not pitching ... plain and simple.
Oh, I wasn't shooting at you whatsoever....I posted that before your message appeared.... Perhaps Koplove has addressed (even his agent has) to Brenly that he's overlooked, however, Brenly doesnt take any of that too seriously.....

Hairston and Finley BACK-TO-BACK though!!!!!!!!!!

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I didnt know Shane Nance was promoted....Who was removed from the roster to create room for him?
 

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KingLouieLouie said:
I didnt know Shane Nance was promoted....Who was removed from the roster to create room for him?
Casey Daigle was sent down :shock:
 

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GONZO wins it with a base hit. So thats what a win feels like ... I almost forgot the feeling.

Go for the series win with RJ pitching tomorrow
 

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What an exciting game.....It appear the Dbacks played with more energy, desire, determination, etc.. than they have had in a month.....

Choate and Valverde came through with clutch-pitching, Finley thrived in the 2nd spot, and Gonzo's hit was spectaculor.....Just hope this is the start of something big.....
 

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Kudos to Steve Sparks, I think he pitched rather well
 

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