Shaquille O'Neal?

[Chaplin]

This board is nuts. I love Marion, and I'm back and forth on these rumors, but what are the 3 biggest things this board loves to complain about?

1) No inside presence and rebounding
2) Marion is a waste
3) No backup point guard, i.e. Banks is a waste

Seems to me this trade would solve all 3 of those problems, no?

The slow thing isn't a big deal--Marion's most exciting asset obviously is him running the floor--Amare automatically would assume that role, since he doesn't have to consistently play defense in the paint, he becomes a better roamer on defense and is able to break free, and Grant Hill has consistently proven that he can actually run the fast break. And don't forget Raja, who is underrated when running the fast break. We'll still have the weapons.

How do the Suns get beat? How often do the Suns get beat by perimeter shooting? Hardly ever. They get beat by penetration and poor rebounding. Shaq solves both those problems. The biggest problem with him is his health. That's the only reason this deal should be approached carefully. Period.

 

[Linderbee]

This can't POSSIBLY have any substance to it. It's completely ridiculous.

If this trade goes down, I promise I will not comment on any other trade proposals or scenarios for two full years.*


*on this board

You're in trouble now!

I hope you're okay & haven't slit your wrists somewhere.

 

[elindholm]

You're in trouble now!

I hope you're okay & haven't slit your wrists somewhere.

Well, I have to confess that it obviously has some substance, but it's still completely ridiculous.

If the trade proves to be true and I forget my promise, anyone is welcome to call me on it.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I'm excited that the Suns had the guts to trade for one of the 10 best players of all time, possibly the best Center of all time, and one of the most entertaining characters in the history of the NBA.

Shaq is not even close to being one of the top 10 players of all time. Nor is he anywhere in the range of Wilt, Russell, Kareem for best centers. He isn't even better than Olajuwon was.

Your best players of all time:

Jordan
Wilt
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
Nate Archibald
Kareem
Tiny Nate
Oscar Robertson
Bill Russell
Jerry West

 

[Chaplin]

Shaq is not even close to being one of the top 10 players of all time. Nor is he anywhere in the range of Wilt, Russell, Kareem for best centers. He isn't even better than Olajuwon was.

Your best players of all time:

Jordan
Wilt
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
Nate Archibald
Kareem
Tiny Nate
Oscar Robertson
Bill Russell
Jerry West

Skill-wise, you're absolutely correct. However, if you base it on complete domination, Shaq is definitely in that group. A few years ago, he was unstoppable.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

This board is nuts. I love Marion, and I'm back and forth on these rumors, but what are the 3 biggest things this board loves to complain about?

1) No inside presence and rebounding
2) Marion is a waste
3) No backup point guard, i.e. Banks is a waste

Seems to me this trade would solve all 3 of those problems, no?

The slow thing isn't a big deal--Marion's most exciting asset obviously is him running the floor--Amare automatically would assume that role, since he doesn't have to consistently play defense in the paint, he becomes a better roamer on defense and is able to break free, and Grant Hill has consistently proven that he can actually run the fast break. And don't forget Raja, who is underrated when running the fast break. We'll still have the weapons.

How do the Suns get beat? How often do the Suns get beat by perimeter shooting? Hardly ever. They get beat by penetration and poor rebounding. Shaq solves both those problems. The biggest problem with him is his health. That's the only reason this deal should be approached carefully. Period.

chap and i agree for the second time in 6 months! (and i don't remember what the first was)

 

[slinslin]

Wilt is a big myth in my books, put Shaq in the NBA in the 60s and you get the same imo.

Olajuwon doesn't come close to Shaq in his prime either , Nate Archibald? No.. Shaq is definately one of the 10 best ever how many rings does he have? 4?

Now if we could get Ron Artest for Boris Diaw.

 

[Chaplin]

chap and i agree for the second time in 6 months! (and i don't remember what the first was)

6 months? It's only been 6 months? I think the last time we agreed was thinking that Bourne Ultimatum rocked!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

6 months? It's only been 6 months? I think the last time we agreed was thinking that Bourne Ultimatum rocked!

lol. i was guessing.

 

[HooverDam]

Wilt is a big myth in my books, put Shaq in the NBA in the 60s and you get the same imo.

Olajuwon doesn't come close to Shaq in his prime either , Nate Archibald? No.. Shaq is definately one of the 10 best ever how many rings does he have? 4?

Now if we could get Ron Artest for Boris Diaw.

You realize that Olajuwon beat Shaq head to head right? Perhaps Shaq wasn't in his prime then, but he was damned close.

 

[cly2tw]

hasn't everyone been so impressed with hill's defense? guess who gets to cover dirk now. but also, guess who dirk has to cover . . .

Actually, Amare would cover Dirk quite well.

 

[TheHopToad]

I'm sure he'll be spending a lot of time out at Turf Paradise. Looks like maybe we have a new jockey for the Cotton Mile...

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[Chris_Sanders]

Since you probably don't know any of those players outside of Jordan, Bird, and Magic, let me help you:

Nate Archibald: The only player in league history to lead the league in scoring 34 ppg and assists 11 apg.

Jerry West: All Star every year of his career. Took the Lakers to the finals 9 times. Averaged 27, 5.8, 6.7

Oscar Robertson: Averaged a triple double for a season. 30.8 points, 12.5 rebounds, and 11.4 assists

Wilt Chamberlain: The greatest player ever without a doubt. Faced triple teams every time he played. Scored 100 points in a game before the advent of the 3 point line. Had to shoot from 3 all the time despite no extra points for it because of how he was defended.

Bill Russell: Averaged 22 rebounds a game for his career.

Kareem: Damn you coin flip!!! Look at this list of honors:

Honors: Elected to Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame (1995); NBA champion (1971, '80, '82, '85, '87, '88); NBA MVP (1971, '72, '74, '76, '77, '80); All-NBA First Team (1971, '72, '73, '74, '76, '77, '80, '81, '84, '86); All-NBA Second Team (1970, '78, '79, '83, '85); All-Defensive First Team (1974, '75, '79, '80, '81); All-Defensive Second Team (1970, '71, '76, '77, '78, '84); Rookie of the Year (1970); 19-time All-Star;

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Skill-wise, you're absolutely correct. However, if you base it on complete domination, Shaq is definitely in that group. A few years ago, he was unstoppable.

All those guys were unstoppable.

 

[Chaplin]

For the first time in his career, Shaq would have not only the best pure point guard in the game, but a top 3 power forward next to him. It would be heaven for him to be on the Suns--not sure it would be heaven for the other people on the team, however. His locker room presence would be Barkley-esque, however.

 

[HooverDam]

Shaq, he's fast and classy....or wait: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd-FLEDTfao

As nice as his dunk over Bynum is, those sort of put back chances don't come all that often. Watch how Bynum uses a basic move to fake Shaq out of his shoes, and Shaq is too slow to do anything about it.

 

[Hat]

This board is nuts. I love Marion, and I'm back and forth on these rumors, but what are the 3 biggest things this board loves to complain about?

1) No inside presence and rebounding
2) Marion is a waste
3) No backup point guard, i.e. Banks is a waste

Seems to me this trade would solve all 3 of those problems, no?

The slow thing isn't a big deal--Marion's most exciting asset obviously is him running the floor--Amare automatically would assume that role, since he doesn't have to consistently play defense in the paint, he becomes a better roamer on defense and is able to break free, and Grant Hill has consistently proven that he can actually run the fast break. And don't forget Raja, who is underrated when running the fast break. We'll still have the weapons.

How do the Suns get beat? How often do the Suns get beat by perimeter shooting? Hardly ever. They get beat by penetration and poor rebounding. Shaq solves both those problems. The biggest problem with him is his health. That's the only reason this deal should be approached carefully. Period.

Totally agree. I don't understand why the majority thinks this is a crazy deal. Is it the person they choose? Well, unfortunately, there aren't very many talented big centers out there for sale.

 

[Chaplin]

All those guys were unstoppable.

Sorry Chris, I'll put Shaq in his prime up against Oscar Robertson, Nate Archibald and Jerry West ANY DAY.

 

[slinslin]

You realize that Olajuwon beat Shaq head to head right? Perhaps Shaq wasn't in his prime then, but he was damned close.

He was in his 2nd year in the league and Olajuwon was in his prime.

Chris, you could make the make some of the same statements for Shaq except he has done it more recently against better athletes, against better defenses.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Wilt is a big myth in my books, put Shaq in the NBA in the 60s and you get the same imo.

Olajuwon doesn't come close to Shaq in his prime either , Nate Archibald? No.. Shaq is definately one of the 10 best ever how many rings does he have? 4?

Now if we could get Ron Artest for Boris Diaw.

This shows how little you know about classic basketball. #1 you can't compare modern athletes to classic athletes because the game and rules were different. The fact is that Shaq never came close to being as dominant as Wilt Chamberlain. No one has. Wilt had to shoot all the time from outside the paint.

Olajuwon soundly defeated Shaq every time they matched up. Shaq didn't win a title until Olajuwon was gone.

Again read what I wrote about Nate Archibald and you will see what dominance from a PG was.

Myopia, thy name is sports fans.

 

[mojorizen7]

You realize that Olajuwon beat Shaq head to head right? Perhaps Shaq wasn't in his prime then, but he was damned close.

Olajuwon was the best center i ever saw play.
I'm still pushing 40 though so i can't say he's the best all'time.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Sorry Chris, I'll put Shaq in his prime up against Oscar Robertson, Nate Archibald and Jerry West ANY DAY.

Shaq never dominated the league like all three of those players did. Those players were once a generation kind of guys. That's the point I am making.

Shaq had a good run for a couple years. Shaq's prime was their entire career.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Olajuwon was the best center i ever saw play.
I'm still pushing 40 though so i can't say he's the best all'time.

Me too. You just can't fathom how easy the game was for Hakeem. A modern day Big O.

 

[Chaplin]

Shaq never dominated the league like all three of those players did. Those players were once a generation kind of guys. That's the point I am making.

Shaq had a good run for a couple years. Shaq's prime was their entire career.

You are right, those are some unbelievable players, but you cannot look at those players and Shaquille O'Neal and make any kind of accurate comparisons because the league is so completely different.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

BTW I sound really old right now

KoB is gr8est evah! He is the roxxers!!!!

There much younger now.