the 7.2 includes YAC right? Just wondering...
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kerouac9
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It does. Total yardage/attempts. But why should YAC be discounted? On a lot of plays, YAC is designed in the deal. On Early Doucet's little bubble screens, the play is designed to be thrown within a yard of the LOS, and have the receiver run after the catch.
It sucks to watch the ball hit the ground when the QB has time to throw, but with some QBs that just comes with the territory. John Skelton isn't going to be Drew Brees. His game is not diametrically opposed to, but at least fundamentally incompatible with, Kevin Kolb's. Kevin Kolb maybe would've carved up this Vikings team.
And by "Carved up," I mean that he likely would've completed 3 or 4 more passes and had 1 YPA lower.
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They weren't short checkdowns they were mostly 12-16 yard passes. It wasn't coincidence John went 10-11 for 130 yards and a TD on the last 2 drives. They were in a prevent or deep zone or whatever you want to call it. The scoring drive he was 6-6 for 88 yards, the prior drive 4-5 for 42 yards.
So prior to that he was 15-25 for 132 yards which is 5.28 YPA.
I think we all need to face up to it that neither Skelton or Kolb is our longtime answer to a QB. We fight over which is best but it really does not matter because it seems so clear to me we need a true starting NFL QB. Whether we draft him or accidentally find another Warner I do not care. Until we find one I suggest we draft a QB #1 ever draft until we find a QB. Make a big trade like Washington did for RG111 if that is what is required because if we do not have a real QB we will always be an also ran.
We have 4 starting rookie QBs in the NFL this year. Surely we should be able to fine one in a couple of years as we are going to be drafting high as I see it. My new adage is not BPA but Best Quarterback Available. IMHO if we pass on Tyler Wilson and if he is available this year I will be ill. I have watched him his entire career nearly every game. He is going to be a starter somewhere in the NFL. He is a big success in the NFL and is twice the leader and twice as smart as Cam Newton. 5 TDs thrown last week in 3 quarters after which the game was called against Kentucky. I do not see much of the West Coast QBs but I do see all the SEC QBs every year and some every week.
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True as the Vikes were more than happy to let us use the remaining time. Not only that we managed to use all our timeout's in the process. We had no chance after we scored.
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If saw Fraziers comments after the game he basically said our offense didn't do a good job of working the clock at the end but our defense did they scored but they took long enough to do so that we held on.
It was interesting whoever was calling their plays was insane. Ponder already had 2 bad picks and they continued to try and throw the ball when Peterson was so effective.
if they just run the ball down the stretch that game is likely over much earlier.
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Can I be honest with you guys?
But I really really hate Skelton.. And it's not because I like or think Kolb is the man.. I think Kolb is adequate.. Nothing more..
I just really hate Skelton.. I think he is a ******** redneck that can't think fast enough to process information to make good decisions.. He has all the things you look for in a QB.. Height, arm etc.. But he is just redneck country slow..
But I really really hate Skelton.. And it's not because I like or think Kolb is the man.. I think Kolb is adequate.. Nothing more..
I just really hate Skelton.. I think he is a ******** redneck that can't think fast enough to process information to make good decisions.. He has all the things you look for in a QB.. Height, arm etc.. But he is just redneck country slow..
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I agree in a less inflamatory manner other than the part where you feel Kolb is adaquate. We disagree there, Skelton does appear to be slow in every aspect of the QB position.
Missed the game. But this AM I checked the stats. In the first half Skelton was 9-14, I think, a 65%, completion rate . Reading what Shane was writing in the game thread I expected 2-20.
As for the fumble it had no effect on the game whatsoever so why is it being brought up as a negative? The Cards scored a TD 5 plays later. Thank you defense.
The pick 6 also had no effect on the game if you believe that the only reason that the Cards scored to make it 21-14 and Skelton ended with good stats was the Vikings backed off. Since, according to Skelton's detractors, the Cards would have been unable to move the ball otherwise the final would have remained 14-7 as it was before the INT.
Yards per attempt, I agree that was not great until the TD drive.
The killer for Arizna was, as it has been for the last 4 weeks, sacks. They are averaging a negative 40 yards per game due to sacks! That's ridiculous.
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Missed the game. But this AM I checked the stats. In the first half Skelton was 9-14, I think, a 65%, completion rate . Reading what Shane was writing in the game thread I expected 2-20.
As for the fumble it had no effect on the game whatsoever so why is it being brought up as a negative? The Cards scored a TD 5 plays later. Thank you defense.
The pick 6 also had no effect on the game if you believe that the only reason that the Cards scored to make it 21-14 and Skelton ended with good stats was the Vikings backed off. Since, according to Skelton's detractors, the Cards would have been unable to move the ball otherwise the final would have remained 14-7 as it was before the INT.
Yards per attempt, I agree that was not great until the TD drive.
The killer for Arizna was, as it has been for the last 4 weeks, sacks. They are averaging a negative 40 yards per game due to sacks! That's ridiculous.
Sure it mattered you're making the huge leap that Ponder wouldn't have thrown that pick anyways if we'd scored there instead of the fumble. They got the ball at the 16 so it's not like the pick happened because they were backed up deep and Ponder panicked, he simply panicked and made a terrible throw. He may very well have done the same thing had we kicked off after a score.
The picksix was huge too we already blew any momentum we had by missing the FG, which frankly was kind of karma since I agreed with Pereira that Acho didn't actually catch it. When he transferred the ball to his right hand the ball touched the ground and came loose on impact. I don't agree with the refs saying transferring the ball was a football move and it's a catch I think pereira was right and we got a break there.
But after the miss the absolute worst thing to happen is give them a TD like that.
It was a weird game he usually misses high, yesterday he was burying balls in the ground. Even the one throw to Fitz was like a split finger fastball or something it surprised Fitz how fast it was sinking.
I thought I was the only one who commented on games I haven't watched.Missed the game. But this AM I checked the stats. In the first half Skelton was 9-14, I think, a 65%, completion rate . Reading what Shane was writing in the game thread I expected 2-20.
As for the fumble it had no effect on the game whatsoever so why is it being brought up as a negative? The Cards scored a TD 5 plays later. Thank you defense.
The pick 6 also had no effect on the game if you believe that the only reason that the Cards scored to make it 21-14 and Skelton ended with good stats was the Vikings backed off. Since, according to Skelton's detractors, the Cards would have been unable to move the ball otherwise the final would have remained 14-7 as it was before the INT.
Yards per attempt, I agree that was not great until the TD drive.
The killer for Arizna was, as it has been for the last 4 weeks, sacks. They are averaging a negative 40 yards per game due to sacks! That's ridiculous.
That is a nice intelligent post. Thank you.
A fumble is bad not matter what it leads to. It is a fumble and they are not well tolerated in the NFL. Mike Vick may set a new record this year for fumbles.
It seemed Skelton was sacked a lot fewer times than Kolb for what ever reason. Maybe it was the teams he was playing against. I think the Cards blitzed a lot more in their first 4 games than the last two. That is my perception but may not be true.
In the NFL turnovers and picks are about as bad as it gets according to coaches. If you can eliminate those you have gone a long way to winning.
The Cardinals were able to move the ball up and down the field. They were in the redzone several times. The Cardinals have problems finishing drives. They are not getting points when they should.
As far as people thinking that Kolb and Skelton should be a Manning, Brady or Brees, then you are setting yourself up for disappointment. They will never be one of those QB. The Cardinals coaches have done a great job getting backups ready to play. The Cardinals have been in position to win the game.
The one thing i wish Skelton would do is just chunk it down to Fitz on a go pattern and let Fitz go get it. That is what Warner had sucess doing.
As far as people thinking that Kolb and Skelton should be a Manning, Brady or Brees, then you are setting yourself up for disappointment. They will never be one of those QB. The Cardinals coaches have done a great job getting backups ready to play. The Cardinals have been in position to win the game.
The one thing i wish Skelton would do is just chunk it down to Fitz on a go pattern and let Fitz go get it. That is what Warner had sucess doing.
It's not a huge leap at all with our defense. Momentum? How many Cardinal games have you watched? Momentum means nothing to the Cardinals.
Without the fumble and the int the Cards still lose 14-7.
By the way I won't respond to any response of yours I'll just agree now to give you the last post after this so this thread won't go on for 32 pages. K9 and Pbit may have time for that but I'm too old.
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You also could have said "at least I use paragraph breaks."Lmao... Ummmm that post was for Skelton
I agree. The Skelton I've seen so far this afternoon while watching the first quarter on nfl rewind bears no relation to the Skelton the Double Deuce bashers are talking about. 7-0 thanks to William Gay grabbing the WR and the D not being able to stop Peterson is what I've seen.
I also still haven't seen a throw at a receivers feet. When did all these low throws happen so I'll know when to look for them?
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7 sacks and we threw 36 passes so 43 attempts.
last 2 weeks was 17 sacks and 98 passes so 115 attempts.
So Kolb sacked ever 6.7 attempts, Skelton every 6.14. So with an offense specifically designed for shorter routes we actually gave up sacks at a worse rate.
Kolb caused some of his sacks and Skelton did too, there were at least 3 off the top of my head where I was yelling at him to throw the ball away right before he got sacked.
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It's always funny watching this games on delay, rewind, or away from the board. The board's opinions almost never align with what is actually on the tape.
You didn't see Skelton bounce throws?
kerouac9
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Not to the point where I'm like, "OMG! Skelton bounced EVERY SINGLE INCOMPLETION IN THIS GAME!?!?!?!?!????!!!!!" Did he bounce a few passes? Yeah. He's not a very accurate QB.
