So who looked good?

[ajcardfan]

Jeff Gollin used to ask annually on Cards Corner if Bernard Wilson had incriminating pictures of the coaches or the Bidwills. Crazy times and some awful football teams.

Yeah, but he had one of the all time great TDs in Arizona history. I think it was against the Eagles and he took either a fumble, or a batted up INT, about 60 yards to the house. It took him something like 20 seconds to run that far, it was hilarious to see.

 

[Buckybird]

That would be stupid, Levi would cost more than DRC and a 2nd round pick to replace. It is a tough position to play, I seen Kolb get off some passes and blow some great opportunities.

The niners have 3 first round drft picks on their oline? who would you trade Levi for?

Me, none of them, Levi has done enough things right to get us to the SB.
some times We need to take the good with the bad and shutup and catfish.

You mark my word we have not seen the best of Levi and Deuce, We have the least amount of rush attempts in the NFL since Edge in 06.

They will put the hurts to a run defense when given the opportunity, long term.

Levi isn't any better than the day he donned a Cards jersey Thesmel & is easily one of the worst OT's in the NFL game. I dont know what games you're watching but he is what he is...poor! He's had 2 less than stellar preseason games thus far & when teams start game planning in 3 weeks & attacking the Redbirds pass offense, he will be the #1 target!!!

I cringe at the thought of what might happen to our multi-million $$$ QB the 1st time Levi falls asleep & the DE has a free run at #4...it's gonna happen!

 

[THESMEL]

So

The packers should fire their whole SB oline they gave up 4 sacks yesterday!

Stick a fork in them, their done.

I think Levi can do what Joe Thomas has done in Cleveland,
I don't think Joe Thomas could protect Kurt Warner 600 + times a season to the SB and playoffs.
pass protection 66% of the time with the worse run game to the SB, yea Joe Thomas deserves another pro bowl.

Levi has already been where Joe Thomas and AP will never go. Levi Is as important as anybody in our successes. IMHO

We had 3 DOUBLE DIGIT PLAY DRIVES Friday, 20 minutes of possession time in 3 drives, That probably equals our regular season for the last 3 years.

Levi isn't any better than the day he donned a Cards jersey Thesmel & is easily one of the worst OT's in the NFL game. I dont know what games you're watching but he is what he is...poor! He's had 2 less than stellar preseason games thus far & when teams start game planning in 3 weeks & attacking the Redbirds pass offense, he will be the #1 target!!!

I cringe at the thought of what might happen to our multi-million $$$ QB the 1st time Levi falls asleep & the DE has a free run at #4...it's gonna happen!

 

[seesred]

Beanie, Housler, OB, Bartel, d line, Sampson, S Will, Roberts, amongst others. I agree with this list.

I also liked what I saw of the RB Smith and the O-line except Brown. Our new FB can block.

GBR
40

 

[seesred]

1998 we also lost our Heart Larry Centers, Brown the heart of the O-line and Miller a key cog on the D. That's the reason 99 was not a good year. Then Micheal took over thanks to the football Gods.

GBR
40

 

[Buckybird]

I think Levi can do what Joe Thomas has done in Cleveland,
I don't think Joe Thomas could protect Kurt Warner 600 + times a season to the SB and playoffs.

you really can't be serious comparing the 2

 

[Buckybird]

We had 3 DOUBLE DIGIT PLAY DRIVES Friday, 20 minutes of possession time in 3 drives, That probably equals our regular season for the last 3 years.

And #75's 3 false starts & 1 holding penalty prolonged the drives & made the offense travel a farther distance. You really keep proving why he should be on the bench the more you write.

Hasn't Levi Brown allowed the most sacks & been called for close to the most penalties over the last few years in the league?

 

[JeffGollin]

Offensive Line Experts and Stat Geeks, We Need Your Help...

And #75's 3 false starts & 1 holding penalty prolonged the drives & made the offense travel a farther distance. You really keep proving why he should be on the bench the more you write.

Hasn't Levi Brown allowed the most sacks & been called for close to the most penalties over the last few years in the league?

Is there anyone here who's been breaking down footage of line play and can figure out what the deal is with Levi -with regard to focus, concentration and technique?

I mean, is the reason why he's jumping the count and getting called for holding due to lack of concentration, trying to compensate for slow feet, inadequate hand placement or what?

Leading to the follow-up question - What does Levi need to do to eliminate these mistakes?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Is there anyone here who's been breaking down footage of line play and can figure out what the deal is with Levi -with regard to focus, concentration and technique?

I mean, is the reason why he's jumping the count and getting called for holding due to lack of concentration, trying to compensate for slow feet, inadequate hand placement or what?

Leading to the follow-up question - What does Levi need to do to eliminate these mistakes?

Well, in the last game, it seemed to be the diiferent cadence between QB one and two.

 

[Pariah]

Who's looked good?

Orton.

http://bit.ly/phyvtd



I keed, I keed.

 

[CardLogic]

We got 4 sacks on GB last night, HMMM they got 1.

Guys get mad at me for repeating things but damn,

We had well over 1200 pass attempts IN THE REGULAR seasons in 08 and 09, with 53 sacks! We showed pass and dared the defense to beat Kurt's release with the Blitz. Rarely running, most runs came out of a pass formation to SURPRISE the defense.

I have never heard any body but me say one good thing about LEVI BROWN on here, not once.

That is 1147+ plays HE did SOME THINGS right! And i don't know if another oline could have done that. At Least GSOT had Faulk with high RB production.

Yea we had 50 sacks last year, throwing 2/3rds of the time with scrub QB's, Damn Levi anyhow, how dare him garnish a Cards uniform with its great history of failure.

I like Bridges and may agree with the switch, to get Deuce and LB together for the run game, but Bridges aint no Smushdown Levi Brown, Nor is Keith.

Do what you want, I won't be an ingrate on Levi, I'm grateful for his work in AZ.

Good one.

But sadly the same type jokes we used to hear about Leonard Davis. 7 years and a first round draft pick later and we're right back where we started.

Levi Brown will never get fair treatment on this board due to this: The Cards let Leonard Davis walk for nothing, only to draft his clone as a replacement instead of Adrian Peterson, whom nearly everyone (everyone in hindsight) wanted instead.

While Brown hasn't lived up to his draft status/contract AND he makes too damn many penalties, he is still better than most are willing to give him credit for.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Levi Brown will never get fair treatment on this board due to this: The Cards let Leonard Davis walk for nothing, only to draft his clone as a replacement instead of Adrian Peterson, whom nearly everyone (everyone in hindsight) wanted instead.

everyone in hindsight? that couldn't be further from the truth. most people were saying that BEFORE the draft. that's called foresight.

While Brown hasn't lived up to his draft status/contract AND he makes too damn many penalties, he is still better than most are willing to give him credit for.

I don't believe this for a second. the only reason I think anyone gives him ANY credit is simply because of where he was drafted. if he was a 5th round pick, he'd have been benched years ago.

 

[Buckybird]

if he was a 5th round pick, he'd have been benched years ago.

absolutely

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

if he was a 5th round pick, he'd have been benched years ago.

He would've been benched, cut, and probably on a practice squad somewhere else and never heard from again.

 

[jw7]

Levi Brown will never get fair treatment on this board due to this: The Cards let Leonard Davis walk for nothing, only to draft his clone as a replacement instead of Adrian Peterson, whom nearly everyone (everyone in hindsight) wanted instead.

While Brown hasn't lived up to his draft status/contract AND he makes too damn many penalties, he is still better than most are willing to give him credit for.

No, Levi Brown gets abused on this board not for his protection. One reason only: False starts.

Ugh. Come on folks, you can chime in if you want, but every time a whistle and flag blow at the snap, you get a Pavlovian reaction "False start, number 75, offense. 5 yards, repeat first down". You just know what is coming even if you didn't see it.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Will probably let Levi Brown go after this year...

to draft.....

Levi Brown

 

[Shane]

Levi Brown will never get fair treatment on this board due to this: The Cards let Leonard Davis walk for nothing, only to draft his clone as a replacement instead of Adrian Peterson, whom nearly everyone (everyone in hindsight) wanted instead.

While Brown hasn't lived up to his draft status/contract AND he makes too damn many penalties, he is still better than most are willing to give him credit for.

everyone in hindsight? that couldn't be further from the truth. most people were saying that BEFORE the draft. that's called foresight.

I don't believe this for a second. the only reason I think anyone gives him ANY credit is simply because of where he was drafted. if he was a 5th round pick, he'd have been benched years ago.

absolutely

He would've been benched, cut, and probably on a practice squad somewhere else and never heard from again.

No, Levi Brown gets abused on this board not for his protection. One reason only: False starts.

Ugh. Come on folks, you can chime in if you want, but every time a whistle and flag blow at the snap, you get a Pavlovian reaction "False start, number 75, offense. 5 yards, repeat first
down". You just know what is coming even if you didn't see it.

I completely agree with Cardlogic... LD was abused quite a bit at LT and false started all the time. Yet was routinely defended on this board about how great he was. I remember because I hated him and his drive killing false starts. I am pretty sure I remember Bucky/Duckjake being a defender of his. I'm sure it helped that he was a Texas alumn too.

Yet we get rid of him and get identical type play from L. Brown and he is a piece of dogshit and hated badly.

People just can't get over who we passed on to get him and didn't like the reach at #5.

 

[PJ1]

No, Levi Brown gets abused on this board not for his protection. One reason only: False starts.

Ugh. Come on folks, you can chime in if you want, but every time a whistle and flag blow at the snap, you get a Pavlovian reaction "False start, number 75, offense. 5 yards, repeat first down". You just know what is coming even if you didn't see it.

Agreed. It is getting ridiculous. These penalties are killers for the offense.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I completely agree with Cardlogic... LD was abused quite a bit at LT and false started all the time. Yet was routinely defended on this board about how great he was. I remember because I hated him and his drive killing false starts. I am pretty sure I remember Bucky/Duckjake being a defender of his. I'm sure it helped that he was a Texas alumn too.

Yet we get rid of him and get identical type play from L. Brown and he is a piece of dogshit and hated badly.

um, a lot of people bagged on LD also... but at least he was a solid yet frustrating player. Levi is just flat out dog-crap, regardless of where he was drafted.

People just can't get over who we passed on to get him and didn't like the reach at #5.

you leave out one very important factor here... yes, people can't get over because of who we passed on... and that he was a reach, but most important, people can't get over him because HE SUCKS Shane... and people thought he was going to suck. If Brown was good, people wouldn't care nearly as much. I could give a rats ass that we passed on Big Ben/Rivers back in the day because the guy we DID draft ended up being great. But he's not. he's awful. not just mediocre, not just bad... the guy is AWFUL. And if you "hated" LD, how in the world can you not hate Brown? Brown's a poor man's version of Big.

 

[Zeno]

I completely agree with Cardlogic... LD was abused quite a bit at LT and false started all the time. Yet was routinely defended on this board about how great he was. I remember because I hated him and his drive killing false starts. I am pretty sure I remember Bucky/Duckjake being a defender of his. I'm sure it helped that he was a Texas alumn too.

Yet we get rid of him and get identical type play from L. Brown and he is a piece of dogshit and hated badly.

People just can't get over who we passed on to get him and didn't like the reach at #5.

Hardly identical play. The difference between Levi Brown & Leonard Davis that is when Davis wasn't committing dumb penalties he regularly destroyed the guys he was going 1 on 1 with, we rarely see that with Brown.

Davis was > Brown hands down

 

[Shane]

um, a lot of people bagged on LD also... but at least he was a solid yet frustrating player. Levi is just flat out dog-crap, regardless of where he was drafted.



you leave out one very important factor here... yes, people can't get over because of who we passed on... and that he was a reach, but most important, people can't get over him because HE SUCKS Shane... and people thought he was going to suck. If Brown was good, people wouldn't care nearly as much. I could give a rats ass that we passed on Big Ben/Rivers back in the day because the guy we DID draft ended up being great. But he's not. he's awful. not just mediocre, not just bad... the guy is AWFUL. And if you "hated" LD, how in the world can you not hate Brown? Brown's a poor man's version of Big.

I don't care for Brown. But I would be willing to bet that if you looked up LB vs. LD in stats in terms of sacks and false starts while playing LT are probably not far off. In fact considering the amount of pass blocking Levi has done he may just be better.

Don't mistake what I'm saying as support of Levi.. I do realize a few did bash LD one of them being me. But the vast majority kept defending the guy. I just don't get the hypocrisy.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

I completely agree with Cardlogic... LD was abused quite a bit at LT and false started all the time. Yet was routinely defended on this board about how great he was. I remember because I hated him and his drive killing false starts. I am pretty sure I remember Bucky/Duckjake being a defender of his. I'm sure it helped that he was a Texas alumn too.

Precisely why Davis isn't in the league anymore, and the future doesn't look too good for Brown either. Levi is actually more beneficial for the opposing team than he is for the Cards. His constant holding/false start penalties always seem to happen at critical moments of the game, costing the Cards countless wins. It must be really, really hard to count to 2 and move your feet, my head alredy hurts from trying to imagine such a complex situation.

 

[Shane]

Hardly identical play. The difference between Levi Brown & Leonard Davis that is when Davis wasn't committing dumb penalties he regularly destroyed the guys he was going 1 on 1 with, we rarely see that with Brown.

Davis was > Brown hands down

see what I mean?

 

[Shane]

Precisely why Davis isn't in the league anymore, and the future doesn't look too good for Brown either. Levi is actually more beneficial for the opposing team than he is for the Cards. His constant holding/false start penalties always seem to happen at critical moments of the game, costing the Cards countless wins. It must be really, really hard to count to 2 and move your feet, my head alredy hurts from trying to imagine such a complex situation.

LD isn't in football anymore because he's old.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

LD isn't in football anymore because he's old.

I didn't realize 32 was old? Its not because of his age, its because he's mentally inept to play a game.