Somers reports that Cards may promote from within to replace Haley

[RonF]

It appears Whisenhunt will promote from within to replace offensive coordinator Todd Haley, who became the Chiefs head coach today.

Also, the Kansas City Star is reporting that Todd Haley signed a four-year deal worth $12 million with the Chiefs. It's interesting to me that he now makes more than Ken Whisenhunt, who is making about $2.5 million before bonuses.

http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers/45660

 

[ChandlerCard]

It wouldn't surprise me if Grimm got the job. He deserves a HC job but won't get it this year. But he'll have more visibility as OC, knows the system, has a great relationship with Whiz, and will make sure we don't lose a step on the o-line. Why bring in an unknown from the outside when you have an Assistant Head Coach already?

 

[Twist18]

I think the Cards need to bring in an assistant for Grimm to show the ropes because he won't always be in AZ.

 

[D-Dogg]

I'm thinking Carthon still.

Don't judge him on his Cleveland days...different teams are different beasts. Also, I think it would be easier to replace the RB coach than an OL coach.

 

[Goldfield]

I think the Cards need to bring in an assistant for Grimm to show the ropes because he won't always be in AZ.

I agree. Get Grimm an assistant who can learn how to keep that OLine performing well.

With Grimm it seems like we could plug anyone in there and they would do OK.

 

[joeshmo]

Grimm really does need an assistant. A lot of other teams do have OL assistants. But thats neither here or there.

What I would be concerned about with Grimm being the OC is there isnt enough time in the day for him to be OC, Assistant Head Coach and still find time to tutor the OL squad. It just will not work. I do not want him to have 3 duties because one or all of them will hurt in the process. Like the Blog says we would have to hire a new OL coach.

Keep Grimm at OL/Assistant HC. Thats plenty to become a Head coach in the future. Coaches have gone from less to HC gigs before.

If we do hire Carthon, I want to try and get Tony Ball to be our new RB coach. He is an up and comer in the college ranks and is the current RB coach of Georgia.

 

[BigRedRage]

great reporting somers

i knew that right away

"this just in, I may use TP next time i wipe"

 

[DeAnna]

If Grimm take the OC job, Whis will still be calling the plays anyway. Russ really needs the exposure as OC though. Not many coaches go straight from OL to head coach - it's a progression (unless you're a young stud).

I say no to Maurice Carthon.

 

[joeshmo]

If Grimm take the OC job, Whis will still be calling the plays anyway. Russ really needs the exposure as OC though. Not many coaches go straight from OL to head coach - it's a progression (unless you're a young stud).

I say no to Maurice Carthon.

But he isnt just an OL coach. He is the Assistant Head Coach.

Mike Tice was just an OL coach and went straight to HC. The new HC of the Bucs was the DB coach before being the HC. And so on.

And if Wiz is still calling the plays then OC would just be a title only and teams in the league would know that, so I dont think him having being an OC in title only will make his chances better at becoming a HC.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I think it is Grimm. We are already paying him the offensive coordinator type salary.

 

[Spielman]

Would probably make a lot of sense to promote from within. They don't need somebody coming in with their own system and new ideas to fix the offense. They just need somebody to continue what's been in place, do what Whisenhunt wants, and call plays.

The wild card is the situation with Warner. I don't imagine he'd like to give up the kind of freedom to change and call plays that he had last year, which would be a problem for a lot of potential OCs, I'm sure. Not everybody is as draconian as Mike Martz in not allowing audibles at all, but I think most playcallers wouldn't want to be as flexible as Haley was. That's another point in favor of promotion from within to get somebody who would be on board with that. If Warner stays. If not, that's all moot.

 

[conraddobler]

Promote Grimm and then he hires a line coach he likes, pretty simple.

 

[JerkFace]

If Grimm wants the job I think you have to give it to him, need to keep him happy. He he decides he doesn't want it then I think we will go with Carthon.

 

[joeshmo]

Quote from Wiz and why it wont be Grimm IMO.

“There’s no question in my mind Russ can do either (job),” Whisenhunt said, “but I think you also have to be careful about putting too much on his plate and diminishing the effectiveness of both jobs.”

 

[BigRedArk]

But he isnt just an OL coach. He is the Assistant Head Coach.

Mike Tice was just an OL coach and went straight to HC. The new HC of the Bucs was the DB coach before being the HC. And so on.

And if Wiz is still calling the plays then OC would just be a title only and teams in the league would know that, so I dont think him having being an OC in title only will make his chances better at becoming a HC.

How do you feel about the possibility of Whis being both HC and OC joe? Does it spread him too thin? IIRC once he turned the play calling over to Haley we started to click on O and Whis could focus on the big picture as HC during the game.

 

[perivolaki]

I think it is Grimm. We are already paying him the offensive coordinator type salary.

I kinda hope it's Grimm too and that Boldin stays around and then we can see what happens when he starts to yell at the OC for not playing him next year.

I got a feeling we might not see players getting in his face and yelling as much as we did Haley.

 

[spanky1]

to joeshmo,

Man I love how your brain works re: the Cardinals.

 

[joeshmo]

How do you feel about the possibility of Whis being both HC and OC joe? Does it spread him too thin? IIRC once he turned the play calling over to Haley we started to click on O and Whis could focus on the big picture as HC during the game.

It can work but I think it has been proven time and time again that 9 times out of 10 its in the best interest of the team to seperate HC duties from OC/DC duties.

 

[DeAnna]

But he isnt just an OL coach. He is the Assistant Head Coach.

In name only (for salary and interviewing purposes). He doesn't do any play calling or prep like a HC does.

Mike Tice was just an OL coach and went straight to HC. The new HC of the Bucs was the DB coach before being the HC. And so on

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Yes, and as I said, they were all young studs which Grimm is not. Mike Tice is back to being an OL coach, no?

Besides, Kurt Warner was quoted yesterday saying he does not want to learn a new system so that pretty much seals the deal that it'll be someone on the staff.

 

[JeffGollin]

How about making Kurt Warner a Player-QB Coach (thereby splitting away part of his salary so that it's not part of the Salary Cap.

Then promote QB Coach Jeff Rutledge to OC (with either Rutledge or Wiz making the offensive calls)?

 

[CardLogic]

How about making Kurt Warner a Player-QB Coach (thereby splitting away part of his salary so that it's not part of the Salary Cap.

Then promote QB Coach Jeff Rutledge to OC (with either Rutledge or Wiz making the offensive calls)?

Interesting thought, JG. It could be Rutledge...

 

[daves]

How about making Kurt Warner a Player-QB Coach (thereby splitting away part of his salary so that it's not part of the Salary Cap.

The CBA prohibits teams from compensating players for anything other than playing. Otherwise, it would be too easy for a team to circumvent the salary cap. For example, Daniel Snyder could pay Ray Lewis the veteran minimum to play football, and $15M/year to give motivational speeches in the locker room....

...dave

 

[joeshmo]

In name only (for salary and interviewing purposes). He doesn't do any play calling or prep like a HC does.

What does play calling have to do with being a head coach. Its why HC/OC or HC/DC who call their own plays never succeed. They have 10 other things to worry about besides play calling and always end up giving up that duty because of it. HC main job is to run the team not call plays is it not. Lastely Grimm without a doubt does a lot of prep like HC does. Sommers wrote in his blog that Grimm does a lot of work with the game plans and tape breakdowns. Grimm without a doubt does a lot of extra work past being an OL coach. Thus he is an assistant Head coach, that is not just a title for craps and giggles.

 

[cardsfanmd]

But he isnt just an OL coach. He is the Assistant Head Coach.

Mike Tice was just an OL coach and went straight to HC. The new HC of the Bucs was the DB coach before being the HC. And so on.

And if Wiz is still calling the plays then OC would just be a title only and teams in the league would know that, so I dont think him having being an OC in title only will make his chances better at becoming a HC.

Great points.

I could be wrong, but I am pretty sure the SB Champion Coach of the Year Mike Tomlin was never a coordinator, but was the secondary coach in Minny before he took the job with the Steelers.

 

[bg7brd]

In name only (for salary and interviewing purposes). He doesn't do any play calling or prep like a HC does.

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Where does this come from?