Spurs@Suns game thread

[Heavy D]

My thoughts on the game

1) It made me sick to listen to Steve Kerr make love to the Spurs all night last night. Steve Kerr is a Spur in his heart, not a Sun.

2) Ginobili can get a foul called on his defender anytime he wants. All he has to do is put his head down and charge to the hoop. The refs are conditioned to call a foul.

3) Tim Duncan hand checks like a mother$%&#@%!

4) When will Raja's reputation as a tough defender allow him to mug people without getting called, a la Bruce Bowen?

5) We miss KT's man-up defense...badly.

6) The Spurs should fear a healthy Suns team.

7) I hate the Spurs' guts.

 

[Folster]

Parker is getting most of his points on layups every single night, which has caused the rise in his fg%.

Parker is not getting anymore lay-ups this year than in previous years. That arguement does not explain his sudden rise in fg %. It is his outside shooting that has improved his percentage.

 

[mribnik]

Parker is not getting anymore lay-ups this year than in previous years. That arguement does not explain his sudden rise in fg %. It is his outside shooting that has improved his percentage.

His outside jumper has definately improved, but of course he's getting more lay-ups this year. That's why he's 5th in the league in points in the paint.

 

[myrondizzo]

Tony Parker is shooting just over 55 percent from the field this year. Comparitively, Nash is shooting over 47 percent from the field. Maybe we should do some research before we institue a game plan. Any team would be stupid to let Nash shoot open jumpers. So why is it accpetable for us to let Parker have shooting practice all game long when he shoots better than Nash this season.

And, I don't want to hear that Parker has a higher percentage because he drives to the hoop more for lay-ups. If that was true than why did his percentage rise so much this year from previous years. He's not getting anymore lay-ups this year than before. The fact is, he can flat out shoot this year.

I'm not mad that we lost. I expected it. I'm upset with the coaching.

you are right I'm sure the coaches got together and just said i dont think that parker can hit outside jumpers i dont have any research or anything im just going to go with my gut on this one.

 

[myrondizzo]

ps he shoots 23% from three and 69% from the free throw line. i wouldnt call those shooters numbers.

 

[nowagimp]

Tony Parker is shooting just over 55 percent from the field this year. Comparitively, Nash is shooting over 47 percent from the field. Maybe we should do some research before we institue a game plan. Any team would be stupid to let Nash shoot open jumpers. So why is it accpetable for us to let Parker have shooting practice all game long when he shoots better than Nash this season.

And, I don't want to hear that Parker has a higher percentage because he drives to the hoop more for lay-ups. If that was true than why did his percentage rise so much this year from previous years. He's not getting anymore lay-ups this year than before. The fact is, he can flat out shoot this year.

I'm not mad that we lost. I expected it. I'm upset with the coaching.

Folster, you need to do a little research, Tony Parker is #1 in the NBA among guards in points in the paint. He shoots 23% from 3, compared with Nashs 40%. Thats why you leave Parker to shoot the outside shot, and guard Nash. Remember that running teams expend alot of energy on offense, so when they are shorthanded they can either 1) not run, which is foolish for an undersized team or 2) play energy conserving defense.

Its a no win situation, being a running team and shorthanded against a much bigger team. Thats why the suns lost to the spurs last year. Remember the fading of the team in the 4th quarter. The suns ran out of gas, often leading going in to the 4th quarter. In this game we were even more short handed, and the zone did not stretch past 15' for Parker. The last game against the spurs(91-86 win), the defense extended to about 20', where Parkers shot is less accurate. In that game, we also avoided doubling TD so much cause KT was there to provide the D on him. Its easier to extend the D, if youre not doubling TD. Its senselesss to bemoan our defense when so shorthanded against the world champions! The coaching staff adjusted the game plan to the injuries and it didnt work out.

 

[Folster]

you are right I'm sure the coaches got together and just said i dont think that parker can hit outside jumpers i dont have any research or anything im just going to go with my gut on this one.

Obviously my statement was a hyperbole.

Let's play a little game of GOOD IDEA/BAD IDEA

Good idea: Make Parker shoot contested shots from the outside.

Bad idea: Let Parker shoot wide open shots from the outside.

To top it off, they didn't adjust to him making his shot's. They just kept hoping he would start to miss.

 

[nowagimp]

Parker is not getting anymore lay-ups this year than in previous years. That arguement does not explain his sudden rise in fg %. It is his outside shooting that has improved his percentage.

If this is not true, I challenge you to back it up. Was he 5th in the NBA in points in the paint last year?

 

[Folster]

Maybe I'm making too much of the game. We were very shorthanded. The game just ticked me off. I just think that, being shorthaded is no excuse not to play D. I just hope they don't try this strategy against them in the playoffs because their shooters (Ginobli, Barry, Finley, Horry, Bowen, Udrih, and even Parker will burn us). Let Duncan and his bad feet beat us. He looked awfully slow last night. I think he is vulnerable. His numbers are down this year.

 

[Folster]

If this is not true, I challenge you to back it up. Was he 5th in the NBA in points in the paint last year?

I would be interested to know. I can't find the stats from last year. If someone could help me out, I would greatly appreciate it. He's probably not #5, but I would think he was pretty high.

 

[myrondizzo]

Obviously my statement was a hyperbole.

Let's play a little game of GOOD IDEA/BAD IDEA

Good idea: Make Parker shoot contested shots from the outside.

Bad idea: Let Parker shoot wide open shots from the outside.

To top it off, they didn't adjust to him making his shot's. They just kept hoping he would start to miss.

they started to come out on him(and he drove right by them for easy layups) to start off the 2nd half and that is when there offense really started to surge.

 

[Shawty]

I get it. So when the SPurs play a good offensive and defensive game, the refs are to blame.

 

[Shawty]

If this is not true, I challenge you to back it up. Was he 5th in the NBA in points in the paint last year?

Actually you both are correct. Most of Parker's points have come in the paint. It is just recently that he has gotten the outside shot to fall regularly. He is finishin' more effectively and is stronger when drivin' the ball all the way to the rim.

 

[boisesuns]

I get it. So when the SPurs play a good offensive and defensive game, the refs are to blame.

Careful. We have a new alert system.

 

[elindholm]

1) It made me sick to listen to Steve Kerr make love to the Spurs all night last night. Steve Kerr is a Spur in his heart, not a Sun.

During the telecast, he let on a bit why this is. Albert goaded him into talking about his tenure with the Suns, when he was parked on the end of the bench and never given a chance to play except in garbage time. Kerr tried to sound upbeat, but it seemed clear to me that he was pretty bitter about it.

So, let's see. If you were ignored by the team that drafted you but, later on, were respected as a role-playing specialist on a team that won a title, which experience would you remember more fondly?

Kerr has a financial investment in the Suns as a business, but that's it. He has no loyalty to the franchise, nor should he. We should stop being surprised.

 

[Evil Ash]

I get it. So when the SPurs play a good offensive and defensive game, the refs are to blame.

They didn't play good defense. They were playing the Suns scrubs and gave up over 90 pts on above 50% shooting.

The awful officiating was not the reason for the loss but they didn't help either

 

[nowagimp]

I get it. So when the SPurs play a good offensive and defensive game, the refs are to blame.

There were only a few really bad calls like Horry flopping(one of the worst flop calls I've seen in recent years, those refs need lasik or something), Parker Tripping Raja on a drive(no call), and Bowen fouling house, house getting the foul. Other than that most calls were OK.

As far as the spurs playing a really good game, I dont think that describes what happened. Many NBA teams can "play a really good game" against that depleted roster. They even started Jones, who has a bum wheel. I think that the game the spurs played against the Mavs last week was a good game. This one, I think the Suns would have had difficulty beating the Hornets, or any one of a dozen other NBA teams without Nash and Barbosa(in addition to KT). I doubt POP would say "gee we really played well against those guys". Only the hungriest spurs fan would say that.

 

[golfcardfan]

Oh god Shawty your team as you like to say beat a badly depleted team do you feel good about it? It would be like a full strength suns team with amare drilling the spurs without parker, ginobli, duncan, horry or any other big guy. Should anybody really take anything from that scrimmage? NO it was garbage game and why your floppin spurs get all the calls remains to be a mystery!

 

[playstation]

Folster, you need to do a little research, Tony Parker is #1 in the NBA among guards in points in the paint. He shoots 23% from 3, compared with Nashs 40%. Thats why you leave Parker to shoot the outside shot, and guard Nash. Remember that running teams expend alot of energy on offense, so when they are shorthanded they can either 1) not run, which is foolish for an undersized team or 2) play energy conserving defense.

Its a no win situation, being a running team and shorthanded against a much bigger team. Thats why the suns lost to the spurs last year. Remember the fading of the team in the 4th quarter. The suns ran out of gas, often leading going in to the 4th quarter. In this game we were even more short handed, and the zone did not stretch past 15' for Parker. The last game against the spurs(91-86 win), the defense extended to about 20', where Parkers shot is less accurate. In that game, we also avoided doubling TD so much cause KT was there to provide the D on him. Its easier to extend the D, if youre not doubling TD. Its senselesss to bemoan our defense when so shorthanded against the world champions! The coaching staff adjusted the game plan to the injuries and it didnt work out.

that is a horrible backup of your argument. dwyane wade shoots 13% from 3. but if you give him 18-20 ft jumpers, he will make them all day long. similarly, parker can't shoot the 3, but if you give him 8 ft of cushion when he's at the 3 line, he'll step in and drain jumpers all day.

what you stated later in your argument is where i agree with you. we had to give him the cushion because of the situation we were in. that would not happen if fully healthy. in the wcf, i want to see

marion/barbosa on parker
bell on ginobili
nash/tim thomas on bowen
kt/diaw on duncan
amare on nazr

if you watched last night, the few times at the beginning when duncan was on diaw, it was an absolute joke. diaw tore him up. this year, duncan can't hide by guarding Q, which is what happened last time if you remember.

 

[golfcardfan]

Agree playstation our team fully healthy will require their whole team to play some solid D. Our team fully health I beleive will take them down! Amare if healthy they still have no answer for and think how many FT amare gives our team that we lack now. This suns team can be real contender for the title if everyone is healthy.

 

[Shawty]

They didn't play good defense. They were playing the Suns scrubs and gave up over 90 pts on above 50% shooting.

The awful officiating was not the reason for the loss but they didn't help either

The Suns rarely bring off scrubs. I would hardly call Diaw, Bell, Tim Thomas, and Eddie House scrubs. They did some heavy liftin' last night. All are capable of keepin' the game above 50% shootin'. Wouldn't you agree? The Spur gameplan was designed to play the up-and-down game. Parker was given the green light. Both were bound to shoot at a high percentage as they always have against each other. What is notable is that the Suns have been postin' 100+ points a game. The Spur defense at least kept them almost 10 points under that.

 

[Shawty]

There were only a few really bad calls like Horry flopping(one of the worst flop calls I've seen in recent years, those refs need lasik or something), Parker Tripping Raja on a drive(no call), and Bowen fouling house, house getting the foul. Other than that most calls were OK.

By the way, the Horry foul was bogus. yes, we agree on that.

 

[Shawty]

Oh god Shawty your team as you like to say beat a badly depleted team do you feel good about it? It would be like a full strength suns team with amare drilling the spurs without parker, ginobli, duncan, horry or any other big guy. Should anybody really take anything from that scrimmage? NO it was garbage game and why your floppin spurs get all the calls remains to be a mystery!

Once again, calls calls calls...Shouldn't we talk basketball? Calls aren't the reason why Phx lost. They have very capable players and talent for days. They didn't defend last night. Barry, Parker and Manu had wide open shots all night long. That was the ball game. Phx NEVER has problems scorin'. They are explosive. They failed to STOP anyone last night. period. It was a game in which they could've made a better showin' even without their general. If I were you I'd be disappointed.

 

[Evil Ash]

The Suns rarely bring off scrubs. I would hardly call Diaw, Bell, Tim Thomas, and Eddie House scrubs. They did some heavy liftin' last night. All are capable of keepin' the game above 50% shootin'. Wouldn't you agree? The Spur gameplan was designed to play the up-and-down game. Parker was given the green light. Both were bound to shoot at a high percentage as they always have against each other. What is notable is that the Suns have been postin' 100+ points a game. The Spur defense at least kept them almost 10 points under that.

With Nash, Amare, Leandro, Kurt Thomas, Brian Grant, and others missing.

If it were the opposite situation where the equivalent of the Spurs having only Manu (with Parker, Horry, Duncan and others missing), I wouldn't talk about how great we were in beating that team.

Congrats you held a team that was missing 2 preseason MVP candidates and a bunch of good role players under 100 pts. What a brilliant accomplishment

 

[mribnik]

Once again, calls calls calls...Shouldn't we talk basketball? Calls aren't the reason why Phx lost. They have very capable players and talent for days. They didn't defend last night. Barry, Parker and Manu had wide open shots all night long. That was the ball game. Phx NEVER has problems scorin'. They are explosive. They failed to STOP anyone last night. period. It was a game in which they could've made a better showin' even without their general. If I were you I'd be disappointed.

Oh, give me a break. After a 42-17 start with major injuries to major players, and with only 9 guys suited up (2 of which have played less than 5 games with the Suns, another 2 who average less than 5 mpg), without Amare, Nash, KT, Grant, Barbosa, etc. etc. etc., how could I possibly be disappointed with the way the team played against the defending champs?